Shopping Centre In Kremenchuk Hit By Russian Missile.

a reply to: noscopebacon

i would not be surprised to see the Russians using nastier and nastier weapons as the Ukrainians have ben decimating their military and even the air force and might be the second country to sink a warship with out a Navy

Is the first from the Falklands war where they sank 2 ships?

Putin is clearly ill, and he makes it no secret he wants the old USSR back,

False. It is what you have been told from people that have cheery picked his speeches and ignored all context. In some speeches completely ignore where he would go on to say if you wanted communism back you have no soul.

If you are really interested here is a thread with a video from a person who goes over all of that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Grimpachi

in the Falklands they used mirage or migs to fire Exocets at the hospital ship and others.

i don't think they were ever any land based anti shipping operations/capability


as far as Putin he look extremally stressed and looks like someone having a constant panic attack

there is clearly something going on with him medical or otherwise

a reply to: noscopebacon

I never paid much attention to the Falklands. I just knew the basics.

As for Putin, I wouldn't know how he normally looks.

Just came across this in a channel of ZABs being used. It took me a few times looking at it to determine because they usually don't use that wide of a dispersal.

t.me...

originally posted by: Grimpachi
The pic of the mall is from the video where the firemen had already put out the fire and it is smoldering while frmen meander about. The fire had already consumed the mall yet you are trying to claim in the back where it started is still glowing bright.

You can also tell where the roofline is from the placement of two very distinct yellow rectangles, probably air conditioners to the right of the video.

The glowing molten fire in the back is not the mall.

Nice try but no.

My pic is from the same video, only moments later where the drone has risen higher in the sky and you can see it more clearly. Your roofline placement lines assumes that the back of the building is there except it doesnt exist anymore on that side of the mall because it's been blasted to bits. Since you still deny that visual proof and think it hasnt happened, absolutely nothing you say make any subsequent sense.



Here I even drew a picture but I dont know why I'm even bothering anymore since you clearly dont care about the facts. For this particular "glow" it doesnt even matter where the missile hit, it's a matter of the aftermath footage and design of the building yet you still cannot see it.

a reply to: merka

Here I even drew a picture but I dont know why I'm even bothering anymore since you clearly dont care about the facts.

Some of us care , thanks for the analysis merka.

a reply to: Grimpachi

You

Even when they burn themselves out they will leave a slag that remains extremely hot. Molton, and looks a lot like what is glowing red back behind the building.

And if hit with water from efforts like fire fighting it would cause a steam explosion dangerous to fire fighters.

The Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement Tuesday that it carried out a targeted strike on a stockpile of Western weapons which then detonated and started a fire at “a non-operating shopping center” next door.

The weapons, according to the Defense Ministry, had been sent to Ukraine from the U.S. and Europe and were destroyed in its air strike. It did not make any mention of civilian casualties.

www.themoscowtimes.com...

Original Russian claim was “stockpile of Western weapons which then detonated ”. There was no secondary explosions from weapons stockpiled. It would look like this…

Kaboom! Russian Drone With Thermite Grenade Blows Up a Billion Dollars of Ukrainian Ammo
A single grenade-carrying drone set off one of the largest explosions in recent memory.

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a reply to: neutronflux

The Earth will freeze over before we get anything like the truth out of The Kremlin.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: neutronflux

The Earth will freeze over before we get anything like the truth out of The Kremlin.

They are just good old boys going after mall and apartment nazis.

Russian missile strikes on town near Odesa kill at least 21, says Ukraine
Thirty-eight injured after two missiles hit block of flats and holiday campsite, officials say

theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/01/russian-missile-strikes-on-odesa-apartments-and-recreation-centre-kill-17-ukraine-says

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: neutronflux

The Earth will freeze over before we get anything like the truth out of The Kremlin.

One can definitely say that of western countries.

originally posted by: Nexttimemaybe

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: neutronflux

The Earth will freeze over before we get anything like the truth out of The Kremlin.

One can definitely say that of western countries.

So., For the cheerleaders claiming Putin is a moral upright guy, what does Russia have to offer in the way of a new world order different than the “west”…. The 298 victims of flight MH 17 would like to know. Especially in the context of the Subsequent cover up by Russia and the publishing of fake evidence broadcasted on Russian news.

Russia ever take responsibility for their involvement, apologized?

Russia is no different than any other corrupt authoritarian nation.

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: Grimpachi
The pic of the mall is from the video where the firemen had already put out the fire and it is smoldering while frmen meander about. The fire had already consumed the mall yet you are trying to claim in the back where it started is still glowing bright.

You can also tell where the roofline is from the placement of two very distinct yellow rectangles, probably air conditioners to the right of the video.

The glowing molten fire in the back is not the mall.

Nice try but no.

My pic is from the same video, only moments later where the drone has risen higher in the sky and you can see it more clearly. Your roofline placement lines assumes that the back of the building is there except it doesnt exist anymore on that side of the mall because it's been blasted to bits. Since you still deny that visual proof and think it hasnt happened, absolutely nothing you say make any subsequent sense.

Here I even drew a picture but I dont know why I'm even bothering anymore since you clearly dont care about the facts. For this particular "glow" it doesnt even matter where the missile hit, it's a matter of the aftermath footage and design of the building yet you still cannot see it.

You need to stop trying to make things conform to what you want them to be and accept them for what they are.

Or, maybe just get a better resolution screen and an eye checkup.

Notice that where you claim the section of building "doesn't exist anymore" you can still see support beams. You can still see the wall.



Yet another claim put to rest.

a reply to: Grimpachi

You just splitting hairs. Still a military strike against targets with no military value killing civilians.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Grimpachi

You

Even when they burn themselves out they will leave a slag that remains extremely hot. Molton, and looks a lot like what is glowing red back behind the building.

And if hit with water from efforts like fire fighting it would cause a steam explosion dangerous to fire fighters.

The Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement Tuesday that it carried out a targeted strike on a stockpile of Western weapons which then detonated and started a fire at “a non-operating shopping center” next door.

The weapons, according to the Defense Ministry, had been sent to Ukraine from the U.S. and Europe and were destroyed in its air strike. It did not make any mention of civilian casualties.

www.themoscowtimes.com...

Original Russian claim was “stockpile of Western weapons which then detonated ”. There was no secondary explosions from weapons stockpiled. It would look like this…

Kaboom! Russian Drone With Thermite Grenade Blows Up a Billion Dollars of Ukrainian Ammo
A single grenade-carrying drone set off one of the largest explosions in recent memory.

m.youtube.com...

m.youtube.com...

www.popularmechanics.com...

Yeah, it would make a steam explosion which explains why they are letting it burn instead of putting it out after the building was extinguished.

Thanks for adding more credence to those being incindiaries.

FYI, incendiary weapon stockpiles are still weapons. They do not go boom. They burn very hot.

If you are using an incendiary weapon to set off stockpiles of explosive ordinance you need to have some knowledge of what is there or luck.

Dropping an incendiary on top of rockets or small arms will do it. Dropping in on top of explosive shells without their fuses attached will just make them burn.

A lot of explosives without a primary charge will not explode. They will just burn. C4 is one of those explosives. I was told that at times soldiers would burn it to heat food in their canteens.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Grimpachi

You just splitting hairs. Still a military strike against targets with no military value killing civilians.

No, I am just trying to establish the facts.

Deny Ignorance.

The claim at first was the mall was targeted. It was a terrorist attack. It obviously wasn't. The machine factory was the target.

The claim remained that the mall was hit by a missile. It obviously wasn't as proven by the video they released. The hit was a little over a hundred feet from the mall. The mall obviously caught fire.

When NATO countries do it they call it collateral damage.

Suspiciously something very hot is still burning after the mall fire was put out. Those could be incendiaries. They may not but to completely dismiss the possibility is just as much folly as claiming that they certainly are incendiaries.

Yet, some people tried to insist that whatever was burning was part of the mall. That is false. And I have proven that.

For those that will accept the Ghost of Kyiv as real, they try hard to cling to these falsehoods but the facts and evidence do not support their beliefs.

a reply to: Grimpachi

More CCTV footage has been released , including from inside when the missile struck.
The outdoor CCTV at 0.24 shows the blast wave from the missile.


But feel free to keep making excuses for a war crime.

a reply to: gortex

Shows a shockwave hitting the building. Doesn't show a blastwave in the building at all.

You can even see debris being pushed past the front of the mall by cameras. The outside wall stopped the blastwave from entering the building.

It is pretty obvious from the footage that the mall was not directly hit and the main explosion happened outside. If it had hit the mall it would have been worse than an indoor hurricane.

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: merka

originally posted by: Grimpachi
The pic of the mall is from the video where the firemen had already put out the fire and it is smoldering while frmen meander about. The fire had already consumed the mall yet you are trying to claim in the back where it started is still glowing bright.

You can also tell where the roofline is from the placement of two very distinct yellow rectangles, probably air conditioners to the right of the video.

The glowing molten fire in the back is not the mall.

Nice try but no.

My pic is from the same video, only moments later where the drone has risen higher in the sky and you can see it more clearly. Your roofline placement lines assumes that the back of the building is there except it doesnt exist anymore on that side of the mall because it's been blasted to bits. Since you still deny that visual proof and think it hasnt happened, absolutely nothing you say make any subsequent sense.

Here I even drew a picture but I dont know why I'm even bothering anymore since you clearly dont care about the facts. For this particular "glow" it doesnt even matter where the missile hit, it's a matter of the aftermath footage and design of the building yet you still cannot see it.

You need to stop trying to make things conform to what you want them to be and accept them for what they are.

Or, maybe just get a better resolution screen and an eye checkup.

Notice that where you claim the section of building "doesn't exist anymore" you can still see support beams. You can still see the wall.

Yet another claim put to rest.

How long shall we continue?

a reply to: merka

You can start by posting the picture you have miniaturized in screen.

I shouldn't need to blow it up to 235% to see where you claim the fire is there is another airconditioner box that hasn't been burnt right beside it.

Everything that is burnt is to the right of the "yellow fan thing"

According to you, just above your yellow line is the fire but how can that be when there is another air conditioner box that is still bright and fairly clean right there?

If the fire is right there then why is the 'yellow fan thing" only a silhouette? It should be lit and visible.

I think one of the things you are failing to realize is the crane behind the building is at work demolishing the building. You assume that part was destroyed and missing in the mall video. It wasn't.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: merka

You can start by posting the picture you have miniaturized in screen.

I shouldn't need to blow it up to 235% to see where you claim the fire is there is another airconditioner box that hasn't been burnt right beside it.

Everything that is burnt is to the right of the "yellow fan thing"

According to you, just above your yellow line is the fire but how can that be when there is another air conditioner box that is still bright and fairly clean right there?

If the fire is right there then why is the 'yellow fan thing" only a silhouette? It should be lit and visible.

I think one of the things you are failing to realize is the crane behind the building is at work demolishing the building. You assume that part was destroyed and missing in the mall video. It wasn't.

... you know you can right click a picture and open it, right? Sorry but I can only work with what we got.



But granted, I will give you another thing here - there ARE beams at the location you marked (but they are definetly not visible in the blurry video you have). It's just beams inside the building, not the back of the building.

Incidently, by pure innocent luck I assume, you managed to mark the exact spot where I think the missile impact was. You see that beam too dont you (you marked it after all), the one that somehow - very oddly - is the one bent toward the semicircular hole in the roof, almost - mysteriously - as if some great force hit right there.



Also the burnt fan things are there. The yellow one for some odd reason looks like it been bent in the middle by some MYSTERIOUS FORCE coming straight from the left in the picture, but maybe it's lens distortion.

Edit:



Btw, show me where the big huge crater from the missile throwing up all that amount of dirt is. Is it beneath all that debris which somehow managed to blow over there from the mall? Is it beneath that still standing and burnt tree? I dont see it.

a reply to: merka


Then where did you get the picture from? Post a link.

I can't right-click your picture in the picture you posted. Only you can do that.


However, I will show you something.

There are 3 main support cross beams sectioning the building. 4 main sections.

Side note, I boxed a support beam, not a cross beam. There are many support beams.


The 4 sections





I really wanted the original pic so as to not confuse things with all the marks in your pic.

Anyway, from your pic you can see the hole in the roof. In your pic behind the hole the roof has already been demolished.

Here is a screenshot of the hole outlined in blue.



When you match it to the video of that night you can see the back section that is now demolished is still there.



You can also see in your pic a remanent of where the back wall was before being demolished and lines up with what I diagramed out.




As for the air conditioners being dented, yes that can happen from a blast wave.

If the missile had struck the building where you claim there wouldn't be any air conditioners there. There wouldn't be much of a building left.

The previous video I posted already shows that the explosion originated in the woodline. There is no reasonable way to refute that.