Freedom . Have you Forgotten ?

I've been on every Continent on Earth aside from South America , I've communicated with countless people in countless languages that I don't speak but I was able to make myself understood through two things 1. Saying I was American 2. Pulling out Money .

It's amazing how quickly people begin to speak English when you pull out some American Dollars $$ , I'm not originally from America but I consider myself an American.

I know full well what foreigners think of Americans . Fat , Lazy , Dumb and of course Guns. Most of the world has a general dis-like for Americans and most Americans don't realize this . It's not that they hate Americans it's that they hate our way of life , the opportunistic nature of American society is a one of a kind thing on Planet Earth and Jealousy is a very real thing.

America was originally founded to stand in contrast to that of the other European nations , Everything American was flipped to be the opposite of Old Europe e.g. the Monarchy , the metric system , the Government , the Tea , the Food , the Clothing , hell we even created our own version of English and English accent and this was all done for a Reason . THE OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT THAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS WERE ESCAPING

The Constitution was written to ensure America would be different that America would be an improvement over what it is that we fought a bloody War with , Our Founders were improving upon the Failures of what it is they lived through . The Original 10 Constitutional Amendments were Written to stand through time and ensure that America would remain a beacon of Freedom to the rest of the world , Each Amendment represented a Freedom that was denied to the original founders of America .

Americans take for granted things like Religious Freedom which will get you killed in other countries , Our freedoms to have Firearms which basically no other country on Earth has , Our Freedoms to Work and Pursue a better life which does not exist in Socialist European countries the more you work in those countries the more they Tax you it's very simple the Government tells you how much you can have end of story. They control weird things like what kind of Car you can Drive and What kind of Television you can have etc etc etc the list goes on .

FREEDOM HAS A PRICE and this includes the Freedom of Speech people can say what they want when they want and again in other countries this will get you killed , The right to a Fair Trial and this includes Rapist, Murderers and Repeat offenders and again other countries they would just kill your ass or lock you up and work you to death . The Right to Bare arms which comes at a massive price of individual responsibility and there will always be insane people who abuse this .

But rest assured all of the Negative prices were weighed when the Constitution was written and it's writers considered the Prices worth it , and so do I and so should you .

Firearms can be used for great Evil but I don't see our right to Bare arms as just an American right I see it as a Global right to bare arms because we are the last Citizenry that can overthrow there Government and I think this gives other nations hope , If they take that hope then the Earth will be Steam rolled with tyranny .

Thank you for your time .

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

My right to bare arms (and concert Ts) shall not be infringed!


Welcome to the gun show!

Jokes aside, i dont think the FF could have forseen the level of stupidity on display today.

All the tools to avoid this were made then, yet they continue to take nibbles as time moves on.

There was an episode of Perry Mason where he was on a Trans-Atlantic flight.

The plane hit some turbulence and a revolver fell out of a man's bag and slid into Perry's foot. Perry leaned over, picked up the gun, looked it over a little bit, then tapped the guy on the shoulder and said, "I believe you dropped this." Handed it back and the man said, "Oh, thank you very much."

No muss, no fuss, the rest of the flight was uneventful.

Imagine that happening today.

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

I bet they were smoking on that flight as well.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

While agreeing with JimNi, that t-shirts are tank-tops are requisite apparel for our short summers : also think that all adults, anywhere and everywhere, have a right to be responsible gun-owners.

Great thread. All Americans should read this and remember indeed
Sad how ,especially the young, are brainwashed into believing freedom is 'bad' or 'wrong'

Hardly anyone seems to respect the ideals of liberty and freedom from an oppressive government. In fact many people seem to want a heavily socialist nanny state to take care of them. Those who died to give the west freedom would be in disbelief if they could see the state of the world today. I've almost given up caring at this point... if people want to continue on this path of self-destruction, they will soon learn what it means to live in a dystopia where our standards of living continue to decline. It's already happening at a rapid pace right now, many countries are facing an energy crisis and food shortages.

Yet we continue to elect far-left socialist leaders who will continue driving the world economy straight into the ground. Leaders who have absolutely zero respect for individual freedom, they salivate at the thought of taking away our freedoms. Leaders who have absolutely zero understanding of real economics and the repercussions of their astronomic spending. Perhaps it's time for people to face the consequences of their own stupid actions. Maybe then we will remember why the founding fathers of the US created a decentralized Republic and why they cherished liberty and freedom so deeply.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

My right to bare arms (and concert Ts) shall not be infringed!


Welcome to the gun show!

Jokes aside, i dont think the FF could have forseen the level of stupidity on display today.

All the tools to avoid this were made then, yet they continue to take nibbles as time moves on.

People in general weren't any brighter than they are today. I have a hard time believing the people who founded the US weren't aware that most people are ignorant and go off emotion than logic.

I love freedom! So I'm not sure why you all have a hard-on for Putin and other dictatorships. I'm also not sure why you all love banning books in classrooms, telling people who they can and cannot have sex with, or stop women from being in control of their own bodies. I guess that all just goes over your heads.

Sometimes I think Republicans view freedom as the right to tell others what they can or cannot do, which is NOT the point. But once again, I guess you aren't smart enough to figure that one out.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1v2

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

My right to bare arms (and concert Ts) shall not be infringed!


Welcome to the gun show!

Jokes aside, i dont think the FF could have forseen the level of stupidity on display today.

All the tools to avoid this were made then, yet they continue to take nibbles as time moves on.

People in general weren't any brighter than they are today. I have a hard time believing the people who founded the US weren't aware that most people are ignorant and go off emotion than logic.

I whole heartedly disagree.

People were much smarter in the past. Today we don't teach anything of value. We used to teach people the most important things they could learn: how to think for themselves, and how to learn. Today we teach critical race theory and billy has two daddies. The owners manual for a car in the 40's used to tell the owner how to adjust valve lash. Today the owners manual has a warning not to drink the contents of the battery...

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
we are the last Citizenry that can overthrow there Government

Do you really believe this or are you just joking?

You have never been anywhere close to it.

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
we are the last Citizenry that can overthrow there Government

Do you really believe this or are you just joking?

You have never been anywhere close to it.

There has never been true cause for such an act , but none the less the capability is there and will remain so as long as the 2nd amendment is in place.

Which is why certain people want the 2nd gone.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

People back then were bleeding themselves out to treat bad vapours and using snake oil.

Most of them were uneducated and only learned what they needed to make some money.

You act like everyone back then was a genious.

People back then thought women were less equal than men were and that slaves, mostly black people weren't human and base animals.

A mere twenty years after 1776 phrenology became popular as a way to show black people weren't capable of being equal to white men.

They used mercury to treat illnesses. They had no concept of sterilizing medical tools. Little to no knowledge of bacteria and germs. Thought disease was caused by bad vapours. Ate crap food. Stored food terribly.

Had little to no concept of cleanliness. Barely brushed their teeth. Barely bathed. Had next to little care about sexually transmitted diseases.

Children were treated like crap, sold off, and put to work in terrible conditions not to mention married off or prostituted out while not even teenagers.

I could go on and on, but keep believing somehow they were more moral, mentally mature, and educated.

Far fewer people die from citizens with guns than government with guns.
By order of x 10,000's
Statistics plainly show citizens are less likely to commit violent crime.
So who actually needs defending from who?

originally posted by: AutomateThis1v2
a reply to: Vroomfondel

People back then were bleeding themselves out to treat bad vapours and using snake oil.

Most of them were uneducated and only learned what they needed to make some money.

You act like everyone back then was a genious.

People back then thought women were less equal than men were and that slaves, mostly black people weren't human and base animals.

A mere twenty years after 1776 phrenology became popular as a way to show black people weren't capable of being equal to white men.

They used mercury to treat illnesses. They had no concept of sterilizing medical tools. Little to no knowledge of bacteria and germs. Thought disease was caused by bad vapours. Ate crap food. Stored food terribly.

Had little to no concept of cleanliness. Barely brushed their teeth. Barely bathed. Had next to little care about sexually transmitted diseases.

Children were treated like crap, sold off, and put to work in terrible conditions not to mention married off or prostituted out while not even teenagers.

I could go on and on, but keep believing somehow they were more moral, mentally mature, and educated.

Oh! Not to mention that there were quite the many crown supporters who wanted to remain loyal to the king at the time. Lmao.

originally posted by: AutomateThis1v2

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: asabuvsobelow

My right to bare arms (and concert Ts) shall not be infringed!


Welcome to the gun show!

Jokes aside, i dont think the FF could have forseen the level of stupidity on display today.

All the tools to avoid this were made then, yet they continue to take nibbles as time moves on.

People in general weren't any brighter than they are today. I have a hard time believing the people who founded the US weren't aware that most people are ignorant and go off emotion than logic.

Yes they were, because the stupid and those bereft of any consequence DIED.

Society didnt coddle the stupid , they were left for Darwin to handle

a reply to: optimisticcontrarian

Wow, such strong argument. Much feelz.

Tell me exactly how that refutes my original comment? Hell, any of my comments in this thread.

Maybe you could convince we with some more all capital words. Maybe throw in some exclamation points to spice it up. Lol

Oh, this is a technicality by the way, but Darwin wasn't born until about 30 something years after the country was founded, and didn't start his voyage to study biogeography until like another thirty years.

Herbert Spencer, I believe, was the first to coin the term "survival of the fittest."

Furthermore, you'd probably cringe if you knew that you were actually talking about social Darwinism. Which pretty much started making it's rounds late in Darwin's life. It's widely regarded as a pseudoscience and there's plenty of arguments about how much of it really has to do with what Charles Darwing spent his life working on.

You're holding onto fantasies. People in general have always been idiots.

The "founding fathers" saw the crap that occurs with monarchies and saw the poor idiots that were controlled and swayed by it. You really think they weren't aware of it? That they weren't aware of what politicians become?

Hell, now that I think about it the founders didn't even want poor people to be able to vote. They only wanted the rich and educated to be abke to vote.

So, let's see.

They didn't want women to vote.
They didn't want black people to vote.
And they didn't want poor and uneducated people to vote.

Gee, they sound like swell guys.

Or do you agree with them?

We could have made it to where everyone has a chance to have a great education, but instead it's wasted. Probably because as we all should know the government needs idiots to think they actually have a say in the matter.

Are you any better than most of the other citizens of this country?

Are you a wealthy business owner, educated, and directly involved in politics?

Or, are you just sitting on your phone or behind a computer monitor spouting nonsense?

Nothing has changed and the government has become exactly what it was destined to become.

So, either our "founding fathers" were idiots as well, or they weren't entirely honest or operating in good faith.

If anything they knew exactly what they were doing and saw their opportunity to find their own wealth and power by breaking free of the crown and establishing independence from England's empire.

The "founding fathers" are rolling in their graves alright—with laughter.

originally posted by: darkbake
I love freedom! So I'm not sure why you all have a hard-on for Putin and other dictatorships. I'm also not sure why you all love banning books in classrooms, telling people who they can and cannot have sex with, or stop women from being in control of their own bodies. I guess that all just goes over your heads.

This argument is so bogus in so many ways. I don't think many people on the right support Putins invasion of Ukraine, they simply oppose western intervention, we are prolonging this war by sending billions to another country while the west is already suffering the results of massive inflation. By cutting off Russia from the world we have also cut off a lot of their exports, and almost the entire world is now suffering as a result. And this comes after years of isolation and suffering caused by Covid-19. People are simply fed up with this nonsense, the global economy is on the brink and we wont save it with more virtue signalling.

Next, banning books is never something that should be done lightly, and as a libertarian I strongly believe in the free flow of information. But what you are clearly ignoring, is that some material clearly isn't appropriate for children. Would you give a child a porn magazine? I highly doubt it, because it's clearly not something they should be reading. Likewise, many of these LGBTQ books are very inappropriate for young children. I honestly don't understand why the left is so insistent we teach young children about weird sexual fetishes. And I say this as someone who is bisexual, it's just plain creepy what they are teaching kids.

I didn't even know I was capable of having an orgasm until my teens. I might have been a slightly late bloomer, but most kids don't start sexually experimenting until high school. I certainly didn't get any sexual education classes before I got to high school, which seems like a logical way of doing it. But now they seem to be teaching primary school children these things, in fact they are teaching these young kids more about sex than they taught me in high school. What the hell is the purpose of that when those kids barely even understand what sex is? Why not at least wait until they are a bit older?

I have no issues with sexual education, so long as it's taught the right way, to the right age groups, but the far-left is clearly pushing for a much more absurd educational scheme which includes a lot of extremely inappropriate content. And it's obvious why the left does this, because they want to indoctrinate little kids when they are at their most impressionable age. That's basically all the left knows how to do these days, use insidiously deceptive brainwashing tactics to gain loyal followers of their cult. And it's all based on deceptive logic like the bogus argument you present here.

And so what if some religious people think same-sex couples are wrong, they have a right to believe what ever religious nonsense they want to believe. Almost all religions say the same thing, are you going to travel the world insulting people of all different faiths for their stupid beliefs? Or is it really just conservative Christians you have a problem with? In my experience, most Christians don't really care who people sleep with, what they care about is the relentless push to normalize alternative sexualities, especially when it comes to children, and I don't completely disagree.

Just because I'm bisexual doesn't mean I need constant reinforcement, I don't need rainbow flags to validate me as a person. In fact I find it off-putting how society has become so obsessed with sexuality, we are acting like children about it. Almost every modern show I watch has some subtle messaging to validate different sexual preferences... it's like can we just move on already and accept people have different preferences. I don't need my shows packed full of propaganda, after all most people are straight, I don't need to be coddled, I just want good entertainment without the politics.

As for abortion, I recently wrote a thread on this topic, where I pointed out that a baby must develop into a human being with human rights at some stage, we just cannot agree when that occurs. But if we can agree on a time frame, then we must also respect the rights of the child as a legal human being. If the mother fails to get an abortion within that time period, then her rights must be balanced with the rights of the child, since aborting after that time would legally be murder. I do not see any other logical way this issue can be solved, we must agree on when a baby becomes a person.

Sometimes I think Republicans view freedom as the right to tell others what they can or cannot do, which is NOT the point.

I think the pro-authority aspect mostly comes from religion, not from right wing political philosophies. Religion is always going to have some rules which seem authoritarian, but those rules often help people to live an orderly life, it gives them a sense of purpose and fulfillment. So I hold nothing against religious people, we all believe different things. But I do agree, it's a problem when religion flows into politics, and it results in people having less freedom. In particular, I think the war on drugs has largely been fueled by religious motives, and it has been a massive failure in every regard.

However, I would point out that the same thing occurs when we look at the far-left political philosophies and their love of nanny states. They legitimately want highly centralized governments which have immense control over almost every aspect of our daily lives... and you're trying to tell me the right wing is more of a threat to our freedoms? Sorry but that's absolutely laughable, especially considering we are witnessing the rise of authoritarian nanny states all around the world. Liberals claim to respect liberty, yet when they gain power they turn into dictators who slowly steal our freedoms one by one.

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
we are the last Citizenry that can overthrow there Government

Do you really believe this or are you just joking?

You have never been anywhere close to it.

There has never been true cause for such an act , but none the less the capability is there and will remain so as long as the 2nd amendment is in place.

Which is why certain people want the 2nd gone.

In my opinion, this is a sweet dream that allows you to soothe the pain of realizing that nothing can be changed in the United States.

All your pistols and rifles are dangerous for the police, but not for the army.

If the army is on the side of the government, then your weapons will not matter. The modern army has the ability to shoot from places that are far beyond the reach of small arms.

In addition, you recently had an example before your eyes of how the trained Ukrainian Nazis from Azovstal, having weapons, could not do anything. No one even began to storm them, and they, like worms, were forced to crawl out of the ground.

And I also got the impression that the people of the United States are extremely divided. It is probably your government that maintains this state of society.

a reply to: AutomateThis1v2

So, let's see.

They didn't want women to vote.
They didn't want black people to vote.
And they didn't want poor and uneducated people to vote.

And yet somehow, miraculously, the very same document that restricted the basic human and civil rights you speak of would eventually be amended to include those disparaged and oppressed classes of people, thereby facilitating freedoms and ultimately enhancing quality of life for everyone in the world.

They must have done something right…