NASA ‘confirms’ it’s joining search for UFOs

originally posted by: idusmartias

originally posted by: JimOberg
So -- no actual EVIDENCE to offer on any of the NASA-UFO tales? Shocker.

Don't you consider the efforts by astronauts bothering to film/tape objects in space that they should have ignored because they were either space debris, ice particles, etc.? They bothered and built up a library of visuals we would love to see. Their actions and results are THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE! To lessen them in importance is to suggest you're ignorant. ......

The last thing an astronaut should do is ignore space debris, or anything strange seen/imaged outside == either for collision threat, or for indication of something coming off your vehicle that could be an indicator of malfunction that's a potential threat to the mission or even to their lives. They've built up a library of images that are fully accessible to the public.

Example -- stuff seen outside during Apollo:
www.jamesoberg.com...

originally posted by: idusmartias
You both worked for the same agency, where did he go wrong? His word is not good enough for you? You didn't see what he alleges to have seen. Who do we accept as being truthful? ....

I fully expect him to be truthful -- he's been clear, he says he's never seen anything on his many spaceflights that was even a hint of non-human technology. Nothing. Why don't YOU believe THAT?

a reply to: idusmartias

Re the STS-80 dots, one of the crewmen has hosted a blog about why he and his spaceshipmates have no doubt these were nearby stuff [probably ice flakes] shed by the shuttle. If you want to argue with him, visit the blog.

Jones discusses and explains this video on his own blog.
skywalking1.wordpress.com...

a reply to: idusmartias

If you wish to re-litigate the STS-48 video, I'm game. Here are the viewgraphs I prepared for a talk at Purdue about a quarter century ago:

www.jamesoberg.com...

Any questions?

originally posted by: game over man
a reply to: idusmartias

I'm also expecting him to answer it was before my time I don't care, but you went ahead and did that anyway lol. Now he probably won't answer or steal that response.

I've lost track of the interrogation here, what's the question?

Just to stir the t*rd further, here's my latest research results.

Introduction – Witness Reactions to Fireball Swarms from Satellite Reentries.
www.jamesoberg.com...


and

Nuking the jimmy carter pseudo-ufo
www.debunker.com...

and

Russian spiral UFOs
satobs.org...

a reply to: JimOberg

sorry to be that person but did you see my post and would you mind responding to me i would love to hear your thoughts

You want a comment on this post?

originally posted by: noscopebacon
a reply to: idusmartias

i dont think they would let NASA in on that stuff and if their 24 hr ISS feed capture one of these craft they would go to bluescreen or another shot and use the delay so it didnt get transmitted, there is NO way there isnt a delay incase of the worst NASA would not want their astronauts and cosmonauts dying from decompression on a live feed.

a reply to: JimOberg

this one

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the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence


can you prove to me that they don't know something or have footage of some anomalous phenomena they tucked away from the public?

other than statements.

of course not.


what would suffice as proof for you?

as a group we do not have any sort of security clearance, there is no way i believe NASA doesnt have or even received images or video from other agencies of anomalies in space.

a top secret satellite or military project that would need to be 'suppressed' and due to the inherent secrecy afforded to secret or higher programs would mean that it would remain an unknown and unanswered by NASA for obvious reasons.

so in that case it would remain an unknown if it was seen by the public.

i believe that they have images of things at the time they could not or would not explain, it would be strange if they didnt.


unless you are saying NASA can put a label/explanation on everything they have documented.




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the craft I'm referring to is secret military or government projects in the post you quoted,


did they ever figure out what that green thing they captured from sky lab? or is that still a secret?

a reply to: JimOberg

What do you think of Operation Paperclip and some of the early NASA scientists being Nazis?

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: idusmartias

originally posted by: JimOberg
So -- no actual EVIDENCE to offer on any of the NASA-UFO tales? Shocker.

Don't you consider the efforts by astronauts bothering to film/tape objects in space that they should have ignored because they were either space debris, ice particles, etc.? They bothered and built up a library of visuals we would love to see. Their actions and results are THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE! To lessen them in importance is to suggest you're ignorant. ......

The last thing an astronaut should do is ignore space debris, or anything strange seen/imaged outside == either for collision threat, or for indication of something coming off your vehicle that could be an indicator of malfunction that's a potential threat to the mission or even to their lives. They've built up a library of images that are fully accessible to the public.

Example -- stuff seen outside during Apollo:
www.jamesoberg.com...

I never implied that astronauts should ignore space dangers. I stated that sometimes they filmed what was obviously not dangererous but an object that was at a distance and was not any danger to them. And how could space debris be a danger when it's miles away and not coming towards the shuttle as no one seems to behave as in they're in any danger? No alarms, no bells, no whistles, no warnings, period. And said being-filmed object was clearly under intelligent control and hauling such as a UFO would behave. Why should an astronaut film something for a length of time if it was simply an ice particle? And anyone looking at this particular video that was familiar with camera optics would agree that what was being filmed was at a great distance and not close which would have been rendedered out of focus or in focus with the distance out of focus.

Since this took place in the '80s and the video was readibly accessible posted it was posted a few times. And that was just one example. I mention it now, without the video, because not every member of this forum sided with you denying the reality of UFO in space and filmed by astronauts. The astronauts took the time to film them because the objects' behavior was of interest to whoever filmed them. Yes, there are videos of thrusters firing, water dumps, etc. But when you see the shuttle cameras go from filming far away object (in telephoto mode) and widening the focus showing nearby parts of the shuttle, you know that something in the distance was of interest.

You see, James, we both see the same videos that are made public. But we in this forum are allowed to use our gained knowledge about UFOs to come to a conclusion obviously different to yours because you need more than circumstantial evidence. You didn't accept their reality then but now with highly-popular tv shows such as "Paranormal Cught On Camear" (right now a segment on UFOs is being shown) showing tons of UFO videos recorded on millions of cellphones plus by pilots in their cockpits, if you keep denying them you are in the minority. And keep in mind the many videos of objects taped near the moon and above the moon. They are out there and always were. Why don't you research NASA's vaults and familiarize yourself with the past.

a reply to: JimOberg

I was just going to say that I bet NASA has a lot of strange photos collected over the years!

Now that they are going to be more active on the UFO scene,maybe they will have (release) more that we all have not seen yet.

This is actually good news!

I like it!

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: idusmartias
You both worked for the same agency, where did he go wrong? His word is not good enough for you? You didn't see what he alleges to have seen. Who do we accept as being truthful? ....

I fully expect him to be truthful -- he's been clear, he says he's never seen anything on his many spaceflights that was even a hint of non-human technology. Nothing. Why don't YOU believe THAT?

First, James, I don't have a belief system. I accept or not. And here he is in a video negating what you say. Why don't you believe HIM?

Part of Story's narration heard on the video:
NASA Astronaut Saw A Large Snake Floating Through Space?

On two of my missions and I still don't have an answer, hm, I have seen a, a snake out there (?) six, seven, eight feet long ... it is rubbery because it has internal waves in it and it follows you for rather a long period of time. The more you fly in space the more you see an incredible amount of things out there and that sort of brings to you, really, a certainty that other living creatures are out there. ...

NASA STS-48 Space Worm (AI upscaled)


Comments on the Worm videos, you'll love Oberg's:
jim oberg
1 year ago
Cool. What was the date/time of the event so its context can be determined?


jim oberg
1 year ago
So you won't tell us?


jim oberg
1 year ago
@finflwr -- Isn't that the URL of the same video?

finflwr
1 year ago
@jim oberg oops.. hang on..

Sid zer0
1 year ago
Hello. Saw your comment now. Sorry. NASA STS-48 happened in september 1991. It's public information, so I didn't bother to put the date.

jim oberg
1 year ago (edited)
@Sid zer0 -- I know the date, I'm just not going to play back a hundred hours of downlink video looking for a 'worm'. What was the TIME of that event so I can put it in context of vehicle/crew activities? Meanwhile -- I have all the info about the more famous zig-zag event, if you want to see it -- but I doubt you would like it.

Sid zer0
1 year ago
@jim oberg I would. I'm not a fanatic

jim oberg
1 year ago
@Sid zer0 -- I humbly retract my snotty smart-a$$ taunt.

jim oberg
1 year ago
@Sid zer0 -- I'm converting these pages into a long book chapter, with more conversational explanations... and need help from outside reviewers regarding understandability and reasonableness. I served in Mission Control 20+ years [including for sts-48, but not that shift], and for a debate with Steven Greer at Purdue in 1999, I had prepared a detailed presentation on this weird video with the overwhelming evidence [from flight telemetry records] that it shows ice flakes hit by an autopilot-triggered thruster plume, just after sunrise. I also debated it with Don Ecker on Larry King's CNN show.

www.jamesoberg.com...

originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: idusmartias

Re the STS-80 dots, one of the crewmen has hosted a blog about why he and his spaceshipmates have no doubt these were nearby stuff [probably ice flakes] shed by the shuttle. If you want to argue with him, visit the blog.

Jones discusses and explains this video on his own blog.
skywalking1.wordpress.com...

I don't want to argue with anyone as everyone has a right to express a point of view. Where we diverge is what is expressed in the opinion based on viewing the same material and coming to a conclusion which, in this and many similar NASA videos, will never result in agreement. STS-80 does not show ice particles, space debris, shuttle firings, water dumps or anything associated with humans. Anyone that thinks different, while it is their right, from my POV needs to see a brain specialist for there's something wrong with their optic nerves.

Here’s one that’s 2 minutes plus…….with a part showing the object with negative enhancement for comparison.



Musgrave states in the beginning seconds….he believes that the object is not craft from another planet. He thinks it’s a living thing.

A living body that can live in the vacuum and radiation of space? Why not?

Astronauts find living organisms clinging to the International Space Station, and aren’t sure how they got there

Tardigrade’s live in all types of environments.



However, this does not detract from the fact that indeed the Tardigrade is LIFE that can live in the environment of vacuum radiated space.

👽🛸🍺🍔

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

i am wearing a water bear shirt as we speak, they are so interesting for such a little creature.

living out in the vaccume and harsh UV and heat cold cycles and being so adaptable to start reproducing in SAPCE.

a reply to: noscopebacon

👍🏼👍🏼 That’s Highlarius!

👽🛸🍻

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originally posted by: JimOberg
a reply to: idusmartias

If you wish to re-litigate the STS-48 video, I'm game. Here are the viewgraphs I prepared for a talk at Purdue about a quarter century ago:

www.jamesoberg.com...

Any questions?

In the 1990s you and I and others litigated this toe-to-toe and all that it achieved was bruised toes!

You were not happy with me 'cause I could not conform to your opinions. I stuck to my guns 'cause your explanations just didn't jive with what my eyes saw. The video was a humongous hit on the forums and the pro-UFO crowd outnumbered you and your supporters. I still do not agree because I saw a white "orb" materialize out of the darkness, and drift to the left. Other lights also materialized and drifted or "took off into space". But our puppy came to a complete stop for a fraction of a second and then it veered off to the "right" and shot off into the darkness. Then a streak of light shot up from below and passed by the area where the white "orb" had paused. The flash that was initially seen and you called a thruster firing had nothing to do with the white "orb". A criticism mentioned that if the shuttle had fired its thruster(s) we would have seen its effect and we didn't.

I searched for the video and no one offers it. So it's just great memories of us versus you and regardless of "official" explanations our team won the debate. Words and a paper trail is not good enough.

originally posted by: game over man
a reply to: JimOberg

What do you think of Operation Paperclip and some of the early NASA scientists being Nazis?

What does that have to do with NASA "UFO secrets"?

Was the US space program 'born in sin' by this association, as many NASA-haters have claimed? Maybe the opposite. Freeman Dyson and other historians have written persuasively that the net effect of the V-2 program was Germany collapsing six months or more sooner due to the crushing demand for high-tech equipment and rare hi-energy fuels, that if applied to more conventional weapons could have lengthened the war leading to millions more fatalities in Europe and tens of millions in the Pacific -- including inter alia my father and uncles. That contribution to the Allied victory may have been unintentional but it still should count.

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: game over man
a reply to: JimOberg

What do you think of Operation Paperclip and some of the early NASA scientists being Nazis?

What does that have to do with NASA "UFO secrets"?
snip

Indirectly, it does.

Nazi UFOs
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In ufology, conspiracy theory, science fiction, and comic book stories, claims or stories have circulated linking UFOs to Nazi Germany. The German UFO theories describe supposedly successful attempts to develop advanced aircraft or spacecraft prior to and during World War II, further asserting the post-war survival of these craft in secret underground bases in Antarctica, South America, or the United States, along with their creators.

Common sense dictates that some NASA personnel discussed alleged nazi UFOs with Wernher von Braun along with about 1,600 other German scientists, engineers, and technicians, as part of Operation Paperclip.

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