Fully Vaccinated Young Adults are 92% more likely to die than Unvaccinated Young Adults

a reply to: chr0naut

There is no vaccine, everyone gets it eventually.

VERY SAD

Every participant in the marathon had to be FULLY Vaccinated against Covid-19.

In addition to one runner dying this morning in the Brooklyn New York "half-marathon", a staggering 17 runners had to be taken to the hospital for various problems!

Source: www.silive.com...

I sure hope some medical authorities with INTEGRITY are watching these sicknesses/injuries/deaths amongst healthy people, like we are, and are prepared to speak out publicly when the logical medical conclusion is reached.

originally posted by: Oouthere
a reply to: chr0naut

There is no vaccine, everyone gets it eventually.

My wife and I are fully vaccinated and boosted. Our children and grandchild who live with us in our house, were not fully vaccinated, and all of them caught COVID-19 about two weeks ago.

We are all still testing frequently and my wife and I remain COVID-19 and symptom free.

We isolated together while they were infectious, but the only difference between them and us, is that they are younger, and we were fully vaccinated and boosted.

I was even post-op and still recovering at the time, so I would have expected to have lower resistance.

a reply to: chr0naut

Some smokers live to age 90 in decent health too.

originally posted by: carewemust
VERY SAD

Every participant in the marathon had to be FULLY Vaccinated against Covid-19.

In addition to one runner dying this morning in the Brooklyn New York "half-marathon", a staggering 17 runners had to be taken to the hospital for various problems!

Source: www.silive.com...

I sure hope some medical authorities with INTEGRITY are watching these sicknesses/injuries/deaths amongst healthy people, like we are, and are prepared to speak out publicly when the logical medical conclusion is reached.

List of marathon fatalities From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

Some smokers live to age 90 in decent health too.

Some people survive getting shot in the head, too. However they are few.

Tobacco-Related Mortality - CDC

None of us smoke.

My grandfather on my mother's side smoked, and also died of lung cancer.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: chr0naut

Some smokers live to age 90 in decent health too.

Some people survive getting shot in the head, too. However they are few.

Tobacco-Related Mortality - CDC

None of us smoke.

My grandfather on my mother's side smoked, and also died of lung cancer.

In other words, you and your wife are in the blessed minority (thus far) when it comes to not contracting Covid-19. That is the only point I was making.

Congratulations!

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: chr0naut
How do you spread something you don't have?

You can't spread a disease you don't have.

You can shove your guilt trips where the sun don't shine.

Infection rates in California are the worst in America.. The total number of cases in the USA are the worst of any country in the world.

Currently, on the JHU CV dashboard site, 24.87% of Americans have had COVID-19 - a total number of 83,255,845 cases, and about one person out of every 334 US citizens has died, attributed to COVID-19.

If you haven't had it yet, and aren't taking any precautions, it is an inevitability.

Telling other people, who may have COVID-19 or may catch it in the future, to not take any precautions, will lead to an unrestrained spread of the disease and to more deaths from it.

If it makes you feel guilty, there is a reason.

a reply to: chr0naut

Are you fkn retarded? I have ZERO responsibility since I have ZERO covid infections.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: chr0naut

Are you fkn retarded? I have ZERO responsibility since I have ZERO covid infections.

Yet.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Someone doesn't know how to read statistics.

The data shows that a young person with co-morbidity is more likely to die, and that young people with co-morbidity are more likely to be vaxxed.

In short, those most at risk are more likely to die.

a reply to: chr0naut

You are just as likely to catch and spread the 'vid as I am so you you can get your share of guilt and responsibility too. In fact you can have mine.

If it truly was a vaccine (it wasnt, it was a poorly manufactured flu shot) then you would have nothing to fear from the virus.

There were some interviews I watched back oh 6-8 months where a doctor was discussing the risks, and at least those doctors were saying a healthy 18 yr old had a higher risk from vaccine side effects than from covid.

That is not an absolute since its usually hard to spot genetic predispositions without testing, but the parents rushing out to vaccinate healthy 5 yr olds should seriously be investigated for child abuse, they have no idea what this will do to children in 50 years and the death rate didnt warrant such a high risk procedure.

a reply to: Irishhaf

It's has an efficacy of approximately 85 percent, which is in line with the vaxes for chickenpox and measles.

No vax is 100 percent except in science fiction.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: chr0naut

You are just as likely to catch and spread the 'vid as I am so you you can get your share of guilt and responsibility too. In fact you can have mine.

That isn't true. Most vaccinated people have an immune response against the virus, even if they have not been exposed to it. This means they are far less likely to catch the disease (as opposed to merely being exposed to the virus), and to pass it on.

In the case of my wife and I, we have both had close contact with the virus, but had no symptoms, nor have we ever tested positive. Of course we took other precautions in the situation, but we just didn't catch the disease, nor could we have spread it, because we isolated and masked up (masks primarily stop the virus being spread from someone infected and so break the chain of infection that way) while our other household members tested positive and had symptoms.

Additionally, if you look at the vast numbers of infections happening in countries where people are not taking full precautions but are vaccinated, the death toll and hospitalization rates are vastly reduced compared to what happened prior to the vaccines among fewer infected.

You see, the effects of a vaccination campaign are cumulative, as host numbers for the virus reduce, so do infection numbers. Because most vaccines still have breakthrough cases, so it only takes a few who won't vaccinate or take other precautions, to shift the numbers and from a reducing number of infectees, to an epidemic spread.

If an epidemic is spreading, and you know of numbers of people who aren't taking any precautions against it, there is your explanation. The vaccines can't be blamed as being ineffective while ever there are so many people sabotaging the campaign.

Most COVID-19 vaccines used in the western world have a measured effectiveness better than 83%, even against delta and omicron strains, which means also that there will be a small percentage of breakthrough cases.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

I dont remember any other vaccine I have had except maybe anthrax where you could still catch it, still get sick, and still spread it.

Yes some people previous vaccines weren't as effective, and some people got zero benefit from some but I do not remember any other where the best case scenario you wouldn't get as sick.

Few docs in those interviews said a healthy 18 year old had 1 in 1 million chanced of being hospitalized from covid, and 5 in 1 million chance of having a negative reaction to the vaccine.

We should have prioritized the vaccine for those most at risk rather than force it on healthy people not at risk. (since you can be triple vaxed still catch and spread it)

Least thats my wild arsed thought.

originally posted by: Rob48
Sorry but this was clearly written by somebody who doesn't understand how statistics work.

Look at the numbers of deaths.

606 unvaccinated people in this age group died.
16 vaccinated people died (plus a maximum of six in the two categories shown as "less than 3", for which a rate cannot be calculated.

Now notice which month those data apply to. January 2021.

And which age group? 18-39 year olds.

When did vaccines begin to be regularly rolled out to under 40s? Not until May 2021. Anyone under 40 who was vaccinated in January 2021 would have been due to being on the clinically vulnerable list, so it is hardly surprising that they may be more marginally more likely to die, especially if they have only had one dose.

The rest of this "research" is based on equally flawed assumptions which, had the author bothered to read the actual studies rather than cherry-picking data to support their own prejudices, they would not have made.

Scaremongering like this is extremely frustrating, and I would advise people to read the big blue letters to the side of this website: DENY IGNORANCE. If you accept antivax propaganda then you let ignorance win.

Bumped for reiteration, considering the wackos are all conveniently ignoring it as usual.

Given the apparent desire for the truth on ATS, and the supposed anti-disinformation stance, these people sure are keen to spread utter nonsense and propaganda as long as it suits them.

Thread should be closed for presenting misleading data to perpetuate a lie.

originally posted by: Archivalist
Unvaccinated Individuals Are "Probably" More Likely To Isolate, Quarantine, And Maintain Social Distance.*

Ummm.... no?

The un-jabbed are far more likely to be non-conformers who give the big middle finger to those pushing the masks, isolation and quarantine fear-mongering, and walked around the entire plandemic hugging each other, and, yes, god forbid, spewing droplets all over each other (sounds yuckie)...

a reply to: chr0naut

Logic falls on deaf ears with the doom porn crowd.
They just like to spread fear and revel at how people react to it.
# them.

There are enough problems in this world without having to read this repetitive redundant garbage.

Statistics say if you health is already bad with other factors that COVID tends to attack, and you get a vaccine, then you are still more likely to die than a healthy person with no other factors is what I read and understand.

There is a health crisis and I finally understand the root cause is a massive misunderstanding of how to achieve good health around the world. Many on YouTube understand but most governments do not.

Most Americans and many around the world have metabolic syndrome and insulin sugar issues and or vitamin D deficiencies that COVID attacks among other things. I just caught COVID last week myself and just found out today thinking my headaches were from a recent medical visit. I was triple vaccinated but guess that doesn’t matter if a sick person is spreading it around right next to me whomever that was. I’m getting better already.