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Is Russia losing in Ukraine?

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posted on May, 16 2022 @ 08:21 AM
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Hello ATS!

On our forum, the thought from some users is constantly heard that Russia is about to lose in Ukraine, and Zelensky will drive to Red Square on Abrams (the idea is a fix for all freaks). Therefore, I want to explain to you, dear members of the forum, some things from my subjective point of view. I will not give here admiring and laudatory statements about the Russian army from a huge number of military men, analysts and intelligence officers from all over the world, only my opinion.

So. The first week of the special operation - a lot of mistakes. First of all, these are tactical mistakes based on unreliable data, and perhaps, judging by the fact that Putin removed several generals, on stupidity and premeditation. The calculation was that the army dealt with the army, and at this time the working underground takes full power, creates city administrations, the police, courts work ... in general, life is getting better. In reality… none of that happened. There is an underground, but no one worked with it, no one even talked to it, there weren’t even such rumors.

The Russian army had the task, first of all, of the destruction of the Nazi battles and the National Guard. From the very beginning, Putin turned to the troops with an order to treat the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine correctly, not even to tear down the Ukrainian flags. Ukrainian tactics, when cities and large settlements are turned into army strongholds, heavy weapons, artillery and rocket systems are located among residential buildings, schools, kindergartens and hospitals are used as firing points, and civilians are used as human shields, turned out to be for the Russians surprise. The Russian army was not going to wage war, like all "civilized countries" - to bomb cities to zero, and then destroy the remaining people. Our Russian people live in Ukraine, therefore, at the cost of the lives of soldiers, Ukrainian troops are gradually squeezed out of the cities, if possible, they are knocked out of them pointwise.



This is for the first week. Then the columns of troops began to move with air cover. And then they changed tactics altogether. Now the Aerospace Forces and artillery are working, and then the fighters come in. In the event of any resistance, the soldiers retreat and strikes are made at these places. Then the fighters come again. If there is no resistance on the territory, then the fighters of the assault squads, special forces and the National Guard enter and clear the territory. This is very long and tedious, but with minimal losses. Aviation and missile systems destroy military infrastructure, warehouses with weapons, military equipment, fuel and manpower, command and strongholds, etc. with pinpoint strikes. Russia has captured almost complete air superiority.

At the beginning of the operation, Russia entered in three groups with a total number of 150 thousand people. Another 50,000 fighters were the armies of the DNR and LNR. The total strength of the Ukrainian army and national guard battalions at that time was 600 thousand people. That is, 3 to 1 in favor of Ukraine. Now, taking into account the fourth wave of mobilization announced by Zelensky (where did the previous three go?), the creation of territorial defense battalions and colossal losses at the front, this proportion has increased to 5 to 1.

“Losing” Russia has a contingent in Ukraine five times smaller than the Ukrainian one. Russia is conducting offensive battles with less forces than those of the defenders - this is already nonsense in military tactics. Moreover, Russia's losses are about seven times less than those of Ukraine, even considering the very bad experience of the first weeks, which is also nonsense, because the defenders suffer fewer losses than the attackers.

The Mariupol (Southern) grouping of Ukrainian troops consisted of 20,000 fighters, of which 8,000 were directly in Mariupol. The troops of the DPR and a small contingent of the Russian army amounted to 6 thousand fighters. Now Mariupol has been liberated, the city is coming to life, utility services and trade shops are starting to work, electricity and water have already been supplied to houses in the city center.

There are about 1,000 Nazis in the cellars of Azovstal. Another 3,000 surrendered. Where are the others? Destroyed. Three weeks ago, the Ukrainian group in the Donbass amounted to 100,000 people. Now - about 44 thousand. This is the work of the Aerospace Forces and artillery.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 08:21 AM
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Now authorities and law enforcement agencies have been formed in the liberated territories, all utilities and trade are working, people are calmly doing business, farmers have calmly begun the sowing campaign, without fear of robbers and racketeers. Prices for everything are much less. Life is very different from life in the rest of Ukraine.

In Ukraine, only contract soldiers serve in the Russian troops, conscripts are not involved in the operation, mobilization, neither general nor partial, is announced. At the same time, according to Western analysts, Russia uses only 15% of its capabilities, and the stocks of weapons, ammunition, shells and missiles are inexhaustible.

In Ukraine, some single copies of military equipment were noticed (T-90 "Breakthrough" tank, BMZT "Terminaror 2" and electronic warfare vehicle "Mercury B"), which can already wage the next 7th generation war (network-centric). But this is most likely a test, Russia is not waging a mass war of the 7th generation in Ukraine.

Moreover, Russia's goal remains the same - not the destruction of Ukraine and Ukrainians, but the demilitarization and denazification of the country. In the liberated territories, after 2 months of living outside of Ukraine and the termination of the possibilities of Ukrainian propaganda, there is only one desire, if only Ukraine would not return to their homes. And this is what awaits the rest of Ukraine over time. Now judge for yourself whether Russia is losing in Ukraine.

Thank you.

News of the last hour.

This morning, on the territory of the Azovstal plant, 10 militants with white flags came out of an underground tunnel controlled by Russian troops. Negotiations took place. As a result, now wounded militants are being taken out of Azovstal and taken to hospitals in the DPR. The wounded officially surrender.
edit on 16-5-2022 by RussianTroll because: Add



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 08:44 AM
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Enjoy your posts “RT” (that’s coincidental), patently clear the western media are lying about everything and have for a long time
No disrespect but why should I believe everything anything you are saying, clearly you are not just a casual reader/poster, not someone interested in conspiracy and what makes ats tic along
Serious question, be interested in a sincere answer, how tough is it for the Russian army, is it as difficult as was expected, did Russia envision a long conflict, another Afghanistan?

I do appreciate your alternative comments



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 08:51 AM
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British intelligence reports say Russia has lost 1/3 of its ground forces in Ukraine.
True or False?



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 08:52 AM
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Western media tells the story that Russia is losing, but western media is well known for its deceptions.

It is possible that Russia will decimate the last Nazi group in eastern Ukraine.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: IAMTAT

I trust British intelligence about as much as I do the US intelligence, which is to say, Not At All.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 08:54 AM
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It makes sense that Russia is changing their tactics due to the fact that the US/NATO is fully involved in this war.

They have admitted they are directly at war with Russia and are utilizing the military advisers and experts they had in place before the war started and are moving in more high tech weapons.

It is interesting that SEC DEF Austin blinked and made first contact with his Russian counterpart since before the invasion started and asked for an immediate ceasefire.
Zelensky was completely bypassed in this negotiation.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: Raggedyman

About the timing. Demilitarization will take place relatively quickly - a few months. As soon as there is a defeat in the Donbass, the rest of the armed forces of Ukraine will fall apart.
Denazification will take several years. Remember how it was in Germany after World War 2.
It's my opinion.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
British intelligence reports say Russia has lost 1/3 of its ground forces in Ukraine.
True or False?


According to various sources, the irreplaceable losses of Russia are about 3,000 people. I have 45 people in the Saratov region.

But this does not include the losses of the armies of the DPR and LPR, as well as the Union of Volunteers of Russia.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:20 AM
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Secure Donbass

Hold most southern coastlines

Russia s Special Operation seems to be on track now

Do you think they will Liberate Odessa RT ??

Stay safe

Riouz

I also believe that the majority of Western Media are just regurgitating Ukraine s chief of staff...



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: choomsuba
It makes sense that Russia is changing their tactics due to the fact that the US/NATO is fully involved in this war.

They have admitted they are directly at war with Russia and are utilizing the military advisers and experts they had in place before the war started and are moving in more high tech weapons.

It is interesting that SEC DEF Austin blinked and made first contact with his Russian counterpart since before the invasion started and asked for an immediate ceasefire.
Zelensky was completely bypassed in this negotiation.


Yes, the participation of NATO countries in the war makes adjustments to the tactics of the Russian army. But the main concern is not the supply of weapons and ammunition, but the data of space reconnaissance, targeting and fire control on their part, as well as direct leadership from the officers of the armies of NATO countries, both in the general staff of Ukraine and on the ground at the tactical level.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:22 AM
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Is Russia losing?

No. it's already lost.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: Riouz5


Of course, Odessa will be released. The main thing is to minimize the destruction and casualties among the population

Least concern is Dnepropetrovsk. It is the Hasidic capital with the largest synagogue in Europe. But this is the patrimony of Kolomoisky, there will be no negotiations with him. If the Jewish community of Dnepropetrovsk throws Kolomoisky, then negotiations on the peaceful surrender of the city are possible.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:31 AM
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When did Russia admit defeat and pull back to their borders?

I completely missed this, you figure this would be a huge world news bulletin dominating all the MSM!

Links?



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: choomsuba
When did Russia admit defeat and pull back to their borders?

I completely missed this, you figure this would be a huge world news bulletin dominating all the MSM!

Links?


Since when do you have to admit defeat to have lost?



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:45 AM
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Thank You RT for all your posts. They sure make for some lively discussions here on ATS.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll




Is Russia losing


We are now on day 82 of the " Special Operation " that was supposed to take 4 days.

So what do you think ?


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posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:48 AM
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Russia is totally wining. They've taken Kyiv, Kharkiv and the bottom of the Black Sea. Don't believe Western propaganda, this is a stunning victory by a very modern and motivated military with brilliant leadership.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: choomsuba
It makes sense that Russia is changing their tactics due to the fact that the US/NATO is fully involved in this war.

They have admitted they are directly at war with Russia and are utilizing the military advisers and experts they had in place before the war started and are moving in more high tech weapons.


If the US/NATO was fully and directly involved in the war, F-22s and F-35s would own the skies over Ukraine, the Russian Black Sea fleet would be on the bottom, and there wouldn’t be any Russian armor left in Ukraine.



posted on May, 16 2022 @ 09:50 AM
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I don't think this is about either military winning or losing, it's about playing games with other peoples money and creating negative situations for the populous of BOTH sides to live in.

And distractions from ALL MSN sources for other nefarous activities of course.

Even when the fighting by both sides finishes in Ukraine, the fighting over who did what, why, where etc will continue FOREVER.




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