Famine: Conspiracy or doom porn?

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I set out to debunk the following, with little success:

Within 3 years, about 120 food plants exploded in North America (US: 101; Canada: 18; Mexico: 1).
There is a clear pattern and escalation of incidents in 2022:
2019: 10 incidents
2020: 26 incidents
2021: 33 incidents
2022: 61 incidents (in 4 months)

With the Ukrainian war raging (the bread basket of the world!), one word comes to my mind… Holodomor! Holodomor is a man-made famine that convulsed the Soviet republic of Ukraine from 1932 to 1933, peaking in the late spring of 1933. It was part of a broader Soviet famine (1931–34) that also caused mass starvation in the grain-growing regions of Soviet Russia and Kazakhstan.
Famine is already forecast to spread across ‘poor’ countries around the globe this summer. With all these major fires or incidents at industrial size food processing plants, large farms, grain/cereal processing centers, and large warehouses that store fertilizer, ag related chemicals and large farming equipment, are the elites trying to trigger another Holodomor, this time in America?

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Actually, Russia is the largest grain producer in the Europe, with Ukraine coming in second. Together they account for 1/4 of the worlds' supply of grains. Three days ago I was reading where Russia owned 50% of Ukraine's biggest grain storage facility- I'm unable to find any supporting links today.

2 weeks ago - Dozens of food processing plants and warehouses have been destroyed by fires, plane crashes, and other curious accidents in recent weeks, representing a disturbing trend that falls outside the realm of coincidence.
Shockingly, nearly 20 U.S. food plants have been damaged or destroyed over the last year or so, around the same time supply chain breakdowns already began gnarling the U.S. food supply.

Then came the war in Ukraine in late February, resulting in food costs reaching an “all-time high” and supply chain issues worldwide.
But never fear, because Bill Gates has bought up hundreds of thousands of acres of U.S. farmland across 19 states over the last several years, making him the largest private farmland owner in the country.
Notably, China has also been spending billions buying up tens of thousands of acres of American farmland.
Whether a coincidence or conspiracy theory, these bizarre circumstances nevertheless add up to the same thing: food shortages are likely coming, and billionaires like Bill Gates and hostile foreign nations like China stand to benefit.
www.eutimes.net...

Debunking the conspiracy:

A salad packaging plant in Salinas, California is destroyed in a massive fire, while at almost the exact same time, an onion processing plant in Texas is engulfed in flames.
Planes nosedive into the heart of food processing plants in Georgia and Idaho. A warehouse with 50,000 pounds of food burns, as well as an animal feed mill, a cereal processing plant, and a meat packing plant.
All of them alit, taking America’s precious food supply with them.
Is it mere coincidence? Just some bad things happening at the same time? Or is it a sinister plot to starve the United States and cull the herd of useless eaters?
People who assume that nothing happens by accident believe the latter. And they’re spreading an emerging conspiracy theory that food processing plants around the country are being burned down or destroyed as part of a concerted effort to take control of America’s food supply. Starting around April 20, conspiracy blogs and social media accounts began spreading lists of meat-packing plants, food processing facilities, cereal mills, and other buildings related to the packaging of food that had all “mysteriously” burned down or been destroyed.
There’s no evidence at this moment of a coordinated attack on America’s food supply. The fires all seem to be accidents owing mostly to equipment issues, and food processing plant fires aren’t uncommon, with several dozen occurring every year at the more than 25,000 food processing facilities around the country. Snopes found over two dozen that took place just in 2019.
www.dailydot.com...
(The 15 year drought in the PNW shows no signs of easing. Over 350,000 acres of farm land in California will sit idle this year.)

Lake Mead has declined to its lowest level since the reservoir was filled in the 1930s following the construction of Hoover Dam, marking a new milestone for the water-starved Colorado River in a downward spiral that shows no sign of letting up.
The reservoir near Las Vegas holds water for cities, farms and tribal lands in Arizona, Nevada, California and Mexico. Years of unrelenting drought and temperatures pushed higher by climate change are shrinking the flow into the lake, contributing to the large mismatch between the demands for water and the Colorado’s diminishing supply.
The lake's rapid decline has been outpacing projections from just a few months ago. Its surface reached a new low Wednesday night when it dipped past the elevation of 1,071.6 feet, a record set in 2016. But unlike that year, when inflows helped push the lake levels back up, the watershed is now so parched and depleted that Mead is projected to continue dropping next year and into 2023.
Lake Mead, the largest reservoir in the country, now stands at just 36% of full capacity.

[www.usatoday.com...]
We already have threads on the lack of fertilizer needed for crops. Farm equipment will find sourcing fuel a major challenge, not to mention sourcing repair parts to keep their rigs running. Now their water source is being limited.

The trucking industry has been hit by new regulations and mandates that have left it in shambles. Sourcing parts to repair semis has put even more of them off line. The rail lines are poised to get crops to market; I'm watching this very closely. It's the rail lines that decided to stop accepting fertilizer shipments for farmers. More than 20 percent of U.S. agriculture is exported.
The top three crops grown in the US are corn, rice and soybeans. 20% of corn is exported, 50% of rice is and 90% of soybeans are exported.
FDA is now directing us towards a more plant-based diet. Coincidence?

U.S. could feed 800 million people with grain that livestock eat, Cornell ecologist advises animal scientists.

[news.cornell.edu...]
Then we have bird flu hitting the poultry industry hard. America isn't the only country being plagued with problems disrupting food supply. Whether by design, nature or coincidence, it's going to take a lot of high-level decision making to mitigate the famine coming to many parts of the world. I fully expect it to be done on a 'One World' global level. Along with the new rules proposed to put WHO in charge or any future pandemic responses, the world is about to take a giant leap into the future/unknown. The point of my post is not to spread doom-porn, but rather awareness. While we are focusing on us versus them over every single thing the news presents.

a reply to: nugget1

I was a little taken aback when I read about the processing plants a while ago. I did some research and found that there are so many food plants that those numbers are not the least bit shocking.
There was a similar article about why are all the CEOs retiring during Covid. It sounded really alarming, but when you researched how many CEOs there are, it was a drop in the bucket.

Back to the food. I'm sure there are people/entities trying to control more of the food. I do think it has more to do with money. Look at what Monsanto has been doing for ages. Look at all the hybrid seeds, plant patents etc.
As for those food processing plants, I believe low quality workers are to blame. Also with less coming in from China a lot of these plants are running around the clock. I'm sure some safety protocols are ignored.

I do think that there will be some hits to our food supply in the future, but I don't think these fires were intentional.

a reply to: nugget1

Fact.

It is preventable but it would require using US grain for food instead of Ethanol as well as massive distribution and not allow China to buy it all up and horde it.

The Chinese are blatantly hoarding as much grain as they can get their hands on.

www.washingtonpost.com...

a reply to: nugget1

Although "over 350,000 acres of farm land will sit idle in California this year", per the article,

California has approximately 43 Million acres of agricultural land.


The "elite" will still need to eat, so there will always be more than enough food available to feed them. And since they are unlikely to lower themselves to work in the fields to grow that food, there will be plenty of us "peons" kept around to do the dirty work of planting, tending, harvesting, transporting, processing, packaging, stocking, and probably, preparing all the food for them.


The problem everyone seems to forget about this "us vs. Them", "common folk vs. Elite" paradigm is that you don't rise to the level of a so-called "elite" by being stupid enough to act against your own best interests. And killing off, culling, the herd of people you depend upon to maintain your easy lifestyle is one very stupid way to end that lifestyle.


It is also why the elites do everything they can to keep the rest of us so envious of their position: As long as We focus on trying to be like them, They can manipulate us to do whatever they what us to do, for them.

a reply to: JAGStorm
I tend to agree to some extent, but in researching statistics for reference I can find nothing on how many food processing plants were lost in the years 2012-2018. I searched year by year and the only thing that comes up is Fact Checkers 'proving' it's a conspiracy theory, focused solely on current events from 2019-2022.

IF any food processing plants were destroyed prior to 2019, why would there be no record? You would think there would be a minimum of one or two per year, given their large numbers. Where's the data?

a reply to: nugget1

Some empty shelves don't matter when you live in a country that has thousands of choices and an abundance of food and farm land. In the usa we throw away enough food to feed millions not because it's bad but because we can.

I'll start to worry about the end times when I can't find any food at any store in my city.

That being said I have the luxury of not having to worry till then because my life has taught me to be prepared.

a reply to: nugget1

Has any one followed up on those plants?

How many of them are now back up and running?

How bad were the fires actually?
I heard that some of those fires were tiny and didn't effect much.

I'd like to see a list of all the fires and see what is going on with each plant today.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: JAGStorm
I tend to agree to some extent, but in researching statistics for reference I can find nothing on how many food processing plants were lost in the years 2012-2018. I searched year by year and the only thing that comes up is Fact Checkers 'proving' it's a conspiracy theory, focused solely on current events from 2019-2022.

IF any food processing plants were destroyed prior to 2019, why would there be no record? You would think there would be a minimum of one or two per year, given their large numbers. Where's the data?

"If a tree falls in a forest, and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?"

If an event occurs, but no considers it significant enough to document as a "statistic", will there be evidence to compile?

It may be that lots of plants were destroyed in prior years, due to various causes, some of which were likely suspicious, but at the time, no one thought to "connect" them to each other.

People, in general, have a habit of never "thinking outside the box", and so often miss the connections that can lead to revelations.

Maybe that's why this forum was once such a powerhouse: A bunch of "out of the box" thinkers sharing the odd coincidences they had, individually, discovered and then shared here forming, and sometimes testing, to reveal the previously overlooked errors in the "accepted narrative".

a reply to: nugget1

There aren't a lot of numbers collected to help with statistics, but if you search they are there!


www.foodnavigator.com...

toronto.ctvnews.ca...

www.zinnedproject.org...

www.provisioneronline.com...

IMO, there's so much information on either side of this that it's hard to say what is going on.

Facts:
- Food is getting a lot more expensive a lot faster than income in the US is going up (but what isn't?)
- Fertilizer is going up in cost RAPIDLY, which will make huge differences in food production later. Which will increase cost.
- FUEL costs have more than doubled in the last year. Unless you grow your own food, EVERYTHING you buy will cost more when fuel goes up.
- Population increases every day, between births:deaths + immigration + illegal immigration

Just in the US, it's not looking good- there will be less food and more mouths to feed.

a reply to: nugget1

It IS us versus them. Them being whomever is sabotaging our food supply.

a reply to: JAGStorm

Its the sanctions that are causing the majority of this, Russia is the biggest producers of fertilizers.


I had seen a video on YT where some British are paying 1k for fertilizers next year.

They are fine for this year next year is going to get complicated.

a reply to: lordcomac

Fertilizer is going up in cost RAPIDLY, which will make huge differences in food production later. Which will increase cost.

Which nation just recently decided to ban imports and exports to unfriendly countries over Ukrainian conflict? of course the media are quiet over this.

I say doom porn.

The good news is If we consumed the minimum amount of calories for sustainment, (I’m not not talking about starving) we could rid the morbid obesity epidemic in America!😀

a reply to: nugget1

I've heard it said quite a few times on news interviews "they'll have to take from the hungry and give it to the starving"

a reply to: Mantiss2021

California has approximately 43 Million acres of agricultural land.

Taken at face value, that seems impressive- but there are always two sides to any issue.

Of California’s approximately 100 million acres of land, 43 million acres are used for
agriculture. Of this, 16 million acres are grazing land and 27 million acres are cropland.
Only about 9 million acres of irrigated land (see illustration), or one-third of the state’s
cropland, are considered to be prime, unique or of statewide importance.
About 3.4 million acres of land in California’s agricultural counties are now urbanized. (Another 2million acres are in areas that are so urbanized that there is no more agriculture.) Development is now consuming an average of about40,000 acres of agricultural land per year.
Historic increases in agricultural productivity have been
sustained largely by expanding water supplies, the increasing use of fossil energy and
more sophisticated technology. All of these are now under mounting pressure because of
scarcity, cost and public opposition, e.g., agrichemicals and GMOs, not to mention the
uncertain impact of climate change. Have we reached a tipping point? Regardless,
farmland lost is gone forever, and the continuing loss of the state’s best land narrows the
options and reduces the resilience of California agriculture.

[www.cdfa.ca.gov...]

California's agricultural empire is facing a shakeup, as a state law comes into effect that will limit many farmers' access to water.

The seven-year-old law is supposed to stop the over-pumping from depleted aquifers, and some farmers — the largest users of that water — concede the limits are overdue.

The state grows roughly 40% of the country's vegetables, fruit and nuts. But it's also famously prone to drought, and in those dry years, when farms run short of water from rivers and reservoirs, they turn on powerful pumps and draw well water from aquifers.
State-wide, farmers to pumped an estimated six to seven million additional acre-feet of water this year, above what they normally use. (An acre-foot of water is 325,851 gallons.)

[State-wide, farmers to pumped an estimated six to seven million additional acre-feet of water this year, above what they normally use. (An acre-foot of water is 325,851 gallons.)]

The entire PNW has implemented some 'light' water restrictions- like only washing your car every two weeks, water your lawn twice a week, etc. Meanwhile, Nestles still bottles thousands on gallons to sell; fracking is still on-going with enormous water usage. The shortage of surface water is being replaced by using water for the aquifer; it will takes years to recover, and if they're not careful they will deplete it to the point of no return.
Many of the farms and ranches in the PNW are in jeopardy of going under. The measures being taken mean nothing when compared to the amount of water used for golf courses and water features in Los Vegas. I imagine it's going to be past critical before any real conservation efforts are considered
The PNW isn't the only area where drought, water and it's getting worse for the rest of our countries farm land.

killing off, culling, the herd of people you depend upon to maintain your easy lifestyle is one very stupid way to end that lifestyle.

We've got over 70 million on SSI the elite don't need. 73 million of the 331,002,651 legal citizens in the US are children 18 and under. That leaves 191 million, of which 19.77 million work for state or federal government. The remainder of the workforce is 71,230 million people. Lost of chaff there. Then, we have the 'undocumented' people, estimated to be between 2-6 million.

originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: nugget1

There aren't a lot of numbers collected to help with statistics, but if you search they are there!


www.foodnavigator.com...

toronto.ctvnews.ca...

www.zinnedproject.org...

www.provisioneronline.com...

Thank you! So, one plant destroyed in 1991, one in 2013, two in 2014 and one in 2017 compared to 120 in the last three years.
Great find!

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: nugget1

Has any one followed up on those plants?

How many of them are now back up and running?

How bad were the fires actually?
I heard that some of those fires were tiny and didn't effect much.

I'd like to see a list of all the fires and see what is going on with each plant today.

The original link I posted had other links embedded in the article showing spreadsheets. I'll list them here for you.
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a reply to: lordcomac

Chemical fertilizers need…petroleum.
Plastics of all kind need…petroleum.
Transportation of goods need…petroleum.

Hemp seed oil replaces the absolute dependence on...petroleum. Doesn’t totally eliminate but reduces dependence bigly. And industrial hemp grows in all 50 states, imagine that.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: lordcomac
And industrial hemp grows in all 50 states, imagine that.

Not in Idaho until a law was passed in April, 2021. Before then, industrial hemp couldn't even be transported through the state in sealed containers.

Only four farmers have been licensed to grow hemp this year.

Idaho has two licensing options available, one for handlers and one for producers. Handlers are permitted to process raw hemp materials, including seeds, into other materials, but does not authorize the growing of the crop. A licensed producer can grow and market the crop, including seeds.

Both licenses require a background check and must be renewed annually. Producers will have their hemp lots tested for acceptable levels of tetrahydrocannabinol content — also known as THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.
Tewalt said about 60 applications have been started with the state, and eight have been fully granted — four handlers, three producers, and one handler/producer.

[www.eastidahonews.com...]