Interesting Western news report about Mariupol in 2014

aThread after thread, you pop off moronic questions aimed at one goal. Support for Ukraine. reply to: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: chr0naut

Do those American nazis have military and political power?

Do the Ukrainians?

Absolutely

Iirc, they had one representative in whatever their parliamentary body is called, do you call that 'having power'.

Or are you referring to the 600 azovs, a few if which like to play dress up nazi that were added ti the Ukrainian National Guard because russia invaded again?

Or are you referring the the 2% vote the far right (not even a nazi) candidate got in the last Ukrainian election?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

They didnt. The Russian insurgents backed bv Russia caused it. Just like Crime when they held sham elections. Just like the sham elections they just held in Kherson.. Russia would not let Ukrainians vote.


also

During the rising unrest in Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the city of Mariupol, in Donetsk Oblast, saw skirmishes break out between Ukrainian government forces, local police, and separatist militants affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic. Government forces withdrew from Mariupol on 9 May 2014 after heavy fighting left the city's police headquarters gutted by fire. These forces maintained checkpoints outside the city. Intervention by Metinvest steelworkers on 15 May 2014 led to the removal of barricades from the city centre, and the resumption of patrols by local police. Separatists continued to operate a headquarters in another part of the city until their positions were overrun in a government offensive on 13 June 2014.

You can think what you want.

The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws, the overthrowing of the government that all these people in the east voted for and the aggression and murder of Eastern Ukrainian civilians is why this part of the country decided to separate.

The Eastern Ukrainians were no longer gonna live in a country where their votes didnt matter, where their language and culture was being taken away from them, where it was now against the law to teach their children in school with the language they had been using on that land for generations, where they were being treated as 2nd class citizens on the land that their ancestors died to protect and in a country that was using force against their own people. This is why millions of Eastern Ukrainians were separating.

You think Ukraine banned the russian language?

Hilarious!

That was yet another long debunked russian lie.

Ukraine did no such thing.

Educate yourself and QUIT making up stuff that peop,e didn't say....

www.reuters.com...

originally posted by: Faeded
aThread after thread, you pop off moronic questions aimed at one goal. Support for Ukraine. reply to: PatriotGames4u

Wrong.

I rebut absurd russian propaganda posted on ATS so the russian propagandists don't have the same success using ATS to distribute their lies as they have on most other platforms.

Pay attention better.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Faeded
aThread after thread, you pop off moronic questions aimed at one goal. Support for Ukraine. reply to: PatriotGames4u

Wrong.

I rebut absurd russian propaganda posted on ATS so the russian propagandists don't have the same success using ATS to distribute their lies as they have on most other platforms.

Pay attention better.

False.

You rebut claims that were never made and argue against points never made.......as shown above...again in yet another thread.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

They didnt. The Russian insurgents backed bv Russia caused it. Just like Crime when they held sham elections. Just like the sham elections they just held in Kherson.. Russia would not let Ukrainians vote.


also

During the rising unrest in Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the city of Mariupol, in Donetsk Oblast, saw skirmishes break out between Ukrainian government forces, local police, and separatist militants affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic. Government forces withdrew from Mariupol on 9 May 2014 after heavy fighting left the city's police headquarters gutted by fire. These forces maintained checkpoints outside the city. Intervention by Metinvest steelworkers on 15 May 2014 led to the removal of barricades from the city centre, and the resumption of patrols by local police. Separatists continued to operate a headquarters in another part of the city until their positions were overrun in a government offensive on 13 June 2014.

You can think what you want.

The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws, the overthrowing of the government that all these people in the east voted for and the aggression and murder of Eastern Ukrainian civilians is why this part of the country decided to separate.

The Eastern Ukrainians were no longer gonna live in a country where their votes didnt matter, where their language and culture was being taken away from them, where it was now against the law to teach their children in school with the language they had been using on that land for generations, where they were being treated as 2nd class citizens on the land that their ancestors died to protect and in a country that was using force against their own people. This is why millions of Eastern Ukrainians were separating.

You think Ukraine banned the russian language?

Hilarious!

That was yet another long debunked russian lie.

Ukraine did no such thing.

Educate yourself and QUIT making up stuff that peop,e didn't say....

www.reuters.com...

Stop lying, you know perfectly well that the law did NOT 'ban the russian language', it only made Ukrainian their official language, something MANY countries do for their most commonly spoken language.

It was 5 years AFTER russia invaded Ukraine to steal land and resources, while russia continued to occupy large parts of Ukraine.

Do you really think anyone here is unfamiliar with the dishonest russian propaganda you just tried to spread here?

You aren't the first to try, or even the hundredth, and it's still the same fake russian propaganda it always was.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

they had one representative in whatever their parliamentary body is called, do you call that 'having power'.

Or are you referring to the 600 azovs

Quite literally....yes.

How many nazis is too many?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

They didnt. The Russian insurgents backed bv Russia caused it. Just like Crime when they held sham elections. Just like the sham elections they just held in Kherson.. Russia would not let Ukrainians vote.


also

During the rising unrest in Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the city of Mariupol, in Donetsk Oblast, saw skirmishes break out between Ukrainian government forces, local police, and separatist militants affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic. Government forces withdrew from Mariupol on 9 May 2014 after heavy fighting left the city's police headquarters gutted by fire. These forces maintained checkpoints outside the city. Intervention by Metinvest steelworkers on 15 May 2014 led to the removal of barricades from the city centre, and the resumption of patrols by local police. Separatists continued to operate a headquarters in another part of the city until their positions were overrun in a government offensive on 13 June 2014.

You can think what you want.

The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws, the overthrowing of the government that all these people in the east voted for and the aggression and murder of Eastern Ukrainian civilians is why this part of the country decided to separate.

The Eastern Ukrainians were no longer gonna live in a country where their votes didnt matter, where their language and culture was being taken away from them, where it was now against the law to teach their children in school with the language they had been using on that land for generations, where they were being treated as 2nd class citizens on the land that their ancestors died to protect and in a country that was using force against their own people. This is why millions of Eastern Ukrainians were separating.

You think Ukraine banned the russian language?

Hilarious!

That was yet another long debunked russian lie.

Ukraine did no such thing.

Educate yourself and QUIT making up stuff that peop,e didn't say....

www.reuters.com...

Stop lying, you know perfectly well that the law did NOT 'ban the russian language', it only made Ukrainian their official language, something MANY countries do for their most commonly spoken language.

It was 5 years AFTER russia invaded Ukraine to steal land and resources, while russia continued to occupy large parts of Ukraine.

Do you really think anyone here is unfamiliar with the dishonest russian propaganda you just tried to spread here?

You aren't the first to try, or even the hundredth, and it's still the same fake russian propaganda it always was.

Where did I say they BANNED IT????

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Faeded
aThread after thread, you pop off moronic questions aimed at one goal. Support for Ukraine. reply to: PatriotGames4u

Wrong.

I rebut absurd russian propaganda posted on ATS so the russian propagandists don't have the same success using ATS to distribute their lies as they have on most other platforms.

Pay attention better.

False.

You rebut claims that were never made and argue against points never made.......as shown above...again in yet another thread.

Then why so upset if I whiff at every pitch?

I know why you don't like what I do, it's a pretty effective tool against a group of dedicated propagandists.

Please keep making stuff to complain about, while I continue to rio apart your russian propaganda efforts.



Or do you think anyone here believes any of russia's weapons labs, dirty bombs, Isreali nukes, bio drones, NATO soldiers, U.S. Tomahawks, 3 star generals, AN 225 is unharmed, and that russia doesn't intend to steal more Ukrainian territory?

Nobody else does.

Effective.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

They didnt. The Russian insurgents backed bv Russia caused it. Just like Crime when they held sham elections. Just like the sham elections they just held in Kherson.. Russia would not let Ukrainians vote.


also

During the rising unrest in Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the city of Mariupol, in Donetsk Oblast, saw skirmishes break out between Ukrainian government forces, local police, and separatist militants affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic. Government forces withdrew from Mariupol on 9 May 2014 after heavy fighting left the city's police headquarters gutted by fire. These forces maintained checkpoints outside the city. Intervention by Metinvest steelworkers on 15 May 2014 led to the removal of barricades from the city centre, and the resumption of patrols by local police. Separatists continued to operate a headquarters in another part of the city until their positions were overrun in a government offensive on 13 June 2014.

You can think what you want.

The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws, the overthrowing of the government that all these people in the east voted for and the aggression and murder of Eastern Ukrainian civilians is why this part of the country decided to separate.

The Eastern Ukrainians were no longer gonna live in a country where their votes didnt matter, where their language and culture was being taken away from them, where it was now against the law to teach their children in school with the language they had been using on that land for generations, where they were being treated as 2nd class citizens on the land that their ancestors died to protect and in a country that was using force against their own people. This is why millions of Eastern Ukrainians were separating.

You think Ukraine banned the russian language?

Hilarious!

That was yet another long debunked russian lie.

Ukraine did no such thing.

Educate yourself and QUIT making up stuff that peop,e didn't say....

www.reuters.com...

Stop lying, you know perfectly well that the law did NOT 'ban the russian language', it only made Ukrainian their official language, something MANY countries do for their most commonly spoken language.

It was 5 years AFTER russia invaded Ukraine to steal land and resources, while russia continued to occupy large parts of Ukraine.

Do you really think anyone here is unfamiliar with the dishonest russian propaganda you just tried to spread here?

You aren't the first to try, or even the hundredth, and it's still the same fake russian propaganda it always was.

Where did I say they BANNED IT????

"The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws"


Do you not know what these words mean?

Of course you do, which is why you used them in an effort to convince folks that Ukraine did something improper, while trying to carefully avoid a long russian false accusation, often repeated by their propagandists, that Ukraine banned any language.

You aren't the first to try, or the first to fail.

Probably won't be the last attempt we see here on that false claim either.



Ukraine can choose whatever official language it wants, just like any other country, and it's none of russia's business.

Ukraine could decide to make French their official language tomorrow and it's STILL none of russia's business, and certainly not any justification for invading Ukraine.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Then why so upset if I whiff at every pitch?

I know why you don't like what I do, it's a pretty effective tool against a group of dedicated propagandists.

Simple. You misrepresent others points/arguments while also using a sock account. You're dishonest and a proven liar. Pretty simple.

Please keep making stuff to complain about, while I continue to rio apart your russian propaganda efforts.

1. Show any pro russia argument I've made.

2. You couldn't rip a paper bag with your tactics...errrr games.

3. When was the last time you posted a source to back up anything?

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

"The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws"


Do you not know what these words mean?

They don't mean banned, that's for sure.
Do you know what those words mean?

a reply to: JinMI

I don't know what the post you replied to said, but propaganda can be true or false. A lot people just use it as a synonym for lies, but that's not what it originally meant.

a reply to: Cutepants

Indeed, no argument.

There is a large difference between propaganda and fact finding. Simply not supporting Ukraine isn't indicative of being pro russia

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

They didnt. The Russian insurgents backed bv Russia caused it. Just like Crime when they held sham elections. Just like the sham elections they just held in Kherson.. Russia would not let Ukrainians vote.


also

During the rising unrest in Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the city of Mariupol, in Donetsk Oblast, saw skirmishes break out between Ukrainian government forces, local police, and separatist militants affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic. Government forces withdrew from Mariupol on 9 May 2014 after heavy fighting left the city's police headquarters gutted by fire. These forces maintained checkpoints outside the city. Intervention by Metinvest steelworkers on 15 May 2014 led to the removal of barricades from the city centre, and the resumption of patrols by local police. Separatists continued to operate a headquarters in another part of the city until their positions were overrun in a government offensive on 13 June 2014.

You can think what you want.

The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws, the overthrowing of the government that all these people in the east voted for and the aggression and murder of Eastern Ukrainian civilians is why this part of the country decided to separate.

The Eastern Ukrainians were no longer gonna live in a country where their votes didnt matter, where their language and culture was being taken away from them, where it was now against the law to teach their children in school with the language they had been using on that land for generations, where they were being treated as 2nd class citizens on the land that their ancestors died to protect and in a country that was using force against their own people. This is why millions of Eastern Ukrainians were separating.

You think Ukraine banned the russian language?

Hilarious!

That was yet another long debunked russian lie.

Ukraine did no such thing.

Educate yourself and QUIT making up stuff that peop,e didn't say....

www.reuters.com...

Stop lying, you know perfectly well that the law did NOT 'ban the russian language', it only made Ukrainian their official language, something MANY countries do for their most commonly spoken language.

It was 5 years AFTER russia invaded Ukraine to steal land and resources, while russia continued to occupy large parts of Ukraine.

Do you really think anyone here is unfamiliar with the dishonest russian propaganda you just tried to spread here?

You aren't the first to try, or even the hundredth, and it's still the same fake russian propaganda it always was.

Nobody takes your posts serious anymore, you are only here to disrupt the message board and spread false information and call everything "Propaganda".

The people can clearly see from just a 2 minute news report from the Western journalists in Britain why Russia had to intervene and invade Ukraine.

Everything I read Ukraine is getting less and less support from the public in US, Canada and UK.

They are all seeing from old news reports like this one how Brutal and extreme the Ukrainian government and army was towards their own civilians by causing death and destruction on the cities all over Eastern Ukraine.

The only people that are still all in with Ukraine are the ones that support Joe Biden and Kamala no matter what. All the others are seeing what a sham its been sending billions of dollars lining all the Ukrainian elites pockets.

I wonder how many other Ukrainian politicians or their wives have been caught with $7 million in US cash going into Poland? We will never know how much US tax dollars are getting funneled out.

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

and your ignoring the other info provided that is fact but does not support the OP claims.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

They didnt. The Russian insurgents backed bv Russia caused it. Just like Crime when they held sham elections. Just like the sham elections they just held in Kherson.. Russia would not let Ukrainians vote.


also

During the rising unrest in Ukraine in the aftermath of the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, the city of Mariupol, in Donetsk Oblast, saw skirmishes break out between Ukrainian government forces, local police, and separatist militants affiliated with the Donetsk People's Republic. Government forces withdrew from Mariupol on 9 May 2014 after heavy fighting left the city's police headquarters gutted by fire. These forces maintained checkpoints outside the city. Intervention by Metinvest steelworkers on 15 May 2014 led to the removal of barricades from the city centre, and the resumption of patrols by local police. Separatists continued to operate a headquarters in another part of the city until their positions were overrun in a government offensive on 13 June 2014.

You can think what you want.

The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws, the overthrowing of the government that all these people in the east voted for and the aggression and murder of Eastern Ukrainian civilians is why this part of the country decided to separate.

The Eastern Ukrainians were no longer gonna live in a country where their votes didnt matter, where their language and culture was being taken away from them, where it was now against the law to teach their children in school with the language they had been using on that land for generations, where they were being treated as 2nd class citizens on the land that their ancestors died to protect and in a country that was using force against their own people. This is why millions of Eastern Ukrainians were separating.

You think Ukraine banned the russian language?

Hilarious!

That was yet another long debunked russian lie.

Ukraine did no such thing.

Educate yourself and QUIT making up stuff that peop,e didn't say....

www.reuters.com...

Stop lying, you know perfectly well that the law did NOT 'ban the russian language', it only made Ukrainian their official language, something MANY countries do for their most commonly spoken language.

It was 5 years AFTER russia invaded Ukraine to steal land and resources, while russia continued to occupy large parts of Ukraine.

Do you really think anyone here is unfamiliar with the dishonest russian propaganda you just tried to spread here?

You aren't the first to try, or even the hundredth, and it's still the same fake russian propaganda it always was.

Where did I say they BANNED IT????

"The Ukrainian government , along with a long list of their brand new anti Russian language and anti Russian culture laws"


Do you not know what these words mean?

Of course you do, which is why you used them in an effort to convince folks that Ukraine did something improper, while trying to carefully avoid a long russian false accusation, often repeated by their propagandists, that Ukraine banned any language.

You aren't the first to try, or the first to fail.

Probably won't be the last attempt we see here on that false claim either.



Ukraine can choose whatever official language it wants, just like any other country, and it's none of russia's business.

Ukraine could decide to make French their official language tomorrow and it's STILL none of russia's business, and certainly not any justification for invading Ukraine.

Anti Russian language laws is in no way saying that the language is banned. I already gave you an example of a Anti Russian language law, "Schools can no longer teach in the Russian language." Another anti Russian language law is " authors of books can no longer publish books only in Russian"

You know exactly what i said and I never said the language was "banned" because obviously people are gonna do what they want, it's something that can't be enforced, but anti Russian language laws like teaching in Russian can be enforced.

You know exactly what you are doing by making stuff up that people didn't say



Doesn't change the fact that this news report shows how Brutal the Ukrainian government and armed forces are to their own citizens. No civilized, democratic country attacks their citizens like this.

This is why when Russia arrived in Mariupol the people greeted them in the street and cried they were so happy. Azov had set up in Mariupol and they were even more brutal and savage then the Ukrainian army was to their own people.

This is why the Russian heroes had to come save these poor people in Mariupol

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

and your ignoring the other info provided that is fact but does not support the OP claims.

Im not ignoring how Brutal and exreme the Ukrainian government is to their own people. Did you watch the 2014 news report from British MSM in the original post? The British press showed how Brutal the Ukrainian government is, attacking and killing their own un armed civilians in the streets and burning down buildings in the city.

It's why the people in Mariupol were celebrating when the Russian army arrived. Many senior citizens had tears in their eyes they were so happy that the liberating forces had arrived. Azov had over run the city and were just being as brutal as the Ukrainian government.

a reply to: MisguidedAngel
Of course there is a longer story to it; The Ukrainian government didn't just start shooting at people in Mariupol.

Mariupol is the second-largest city in the Donetsk Oblast, and has experienced sporadic unrest since March 2014. Pro-Russian and anti-government groups first occupied the city council building on 18 March 2014.[18] The first violent incident had occurred during the night on 16 April 2014, when about 300 pro-Russian and anti-government protesters attacked a Ukrainian military unit in Mariupol, throwing petrol bombs.

en.wikipedia.org...(2014)
Not that it validates shooting unarmed civilians.

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MisguidedAngel

and your ignoring the other info provided that is fact but does not support the OP claims.

Im not ignoring how Brutal and exreme the Ukrainian government is to their own people. Did you watch the 2014 news report from British MSM in the original post? The British press showed how Brutal the Ukrainian government is, attacking and killing their own un armed civilians in the streets and burning down buildings in the city.

It's why the people in Mariupol were celebrating when the Russian army arrived. Many senior citizens had tears in their eyes they were so happy that the liberating forces had arrived. Azov had over run the city and were just being as brutal as the Ukrainian government.

Is this 2014?