British Brimstone missile now in the hands of the Russian military

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

"Global"? Pariah Status"? LOL! .. Nobody cares about that BS!. Only globalist do. ... Hitler and Napoleon, F'ed around, and found out.
Who gives two Fs, about people you don't care for, or what they "think"? ... No intelligent person does.

With good management, Russia doesn't "need" the "globe". Neither does the U.S.A.. Have you ever looked at a map?
But?
Apparently, the "E.U." does need Russia. Because the E.U. doesn't have wind? Or sunshine? Or solar power?.. To "power" all the "wokeness" and wishes?

So, as an "American"? ... It ain't my problem. My "government" makes it my problem. Which my government, becomes my problem.

As an American,...

It' will even out.

a reply to: murphy22

So you couldn't give a monkeys about millions of displaced refugees, mostly women and children?

Intelligent folk do care, thank goodness.

Where is your humanity?

Guess you have not been paying attention to the EU's plans to ban imports of Russian hydrocarbons.

Have you ever looked at a map?

originally posted by: murphy22
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

"Global"? Pariah Status"? LOL! .. Nobody cares about that BS!. Only globalist do. ... Hitler and Napoleon, F'ed around, and found out.
Who gives two Fs, about people you don't care for, or what they "think"? ... No intelligent person does.

With good management, Russia doesn't "need" the "globe". Neither does the U.S.A.. Have you ever looked at a map?
But?
Apparently, the "E.U." does need Russia. Because the E.U. doesn't have wind? Or sunshine? Or solar power?.. To "power" all the "wokeness" and wishes?

So, as an "American"? ... It ain't my problem. My "government" makes it my problem. Which my government, becomes my problem.

As an American,...

It' will even out

russia sure seems to care about such things.

Perhaps because they can't survive without international trade with countries that refused to do any future business with russia as a result of russia's invasion of a non threatening country.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The G7 is going for an oil embargo.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The G7 is going for an oil embargo.

I saw, do you think they'll actually be able to do it?

That's even more than I thought was even possible.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The G7 is going for an oil embargo.

I saw, do you think they'll actually be able to do it?

That's even more than I thought was even possible.

I do.. even Japan is on board

Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States and the EU (non enumerated member). Germany and Italy have already found replacements for Russian oil/gas.

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The G7 is going for an oil embargo.

I saw, do you think they'll actually be able to do it?

That's even more than I thought was even possible.

I do.. even Japan is on board

Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States and the EU (non enumerated member). Germany and Italy have already found replacements for Russian oil/gas.

That would be a massively big deal, russia doesn't really have any other way to get foreign currency, and they need lots of foreign currency to survive.

Brimstone illustrates why Russia is outclassed. They have never been able to catch up with the West, and even with the instruction manuals and blueprints, it's doubtful that they could. Too much corruption, and a doctine and political worldview based in the 1940's, have served to relegate the Russian military to that of a scrap metal dealer.

Reverse engineering sounds good, but it's never that easy.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Right now the only issue is Hungary and Orban. He says an embargo on Russian oil / gas would be a nuke on their (Hungary) economy. I understand the concern (however I disagree with their position).


From today -
EU Talks Advance on Lifting Orban Veto Threat on Russian Oil

(Bloomberg) -- Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s talks with the head of the European Union about proposed sanctions on Russian oil imports made progress but failed to reach a breakthrough, according to both sides.

Orban, who is blocking EU sanctions citing Hungary’s reliance on Russian energy, hosted European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in his Budapest office on Monday evening for a working dinner.

“We made some progress, we could say we took a small step forward,” Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said in a Facebook video after the conclusion of the talks. “A lot more needs to be done, though, for us to potentially change our position.”

Von der Leyen said after the meeting that she’d convene a virtual conference to “strengthen regional cooperation on oil infrastructure.”

The talks with Orban were “helpful to clarify issues related to sanctions and energy security,” she said on Twitter. “We made progress, but further work is needed.”

click link for article

a reply to: paraphi

Well that certainly explains why Russian media is pushing for a military socialist type reforms to their economy. They were complaining that Russian forces in Ukraine can't get anything new and that it would be easier to crowd fund weapons and ship them through Ukraine to get to the Russians. These are the same people talking about a need for a new version of the NKVD.

As far as the Brimstone goes though its been around since 2005 and it has been exported to other countries. In all this time Russian could not get one?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Right now the only issue is Hungary and Orban. He says an embargo on Russian oil / gas would be a nuke on their (Hungary) economy. I understand the concern (however I disagree with their position).


From today -
EU Talks Advance on Lifting Orban Veto Threat on Russian Oil

(Bloomberg) -- Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s talks with the head of the European Union about proposed sanctions on Russian oil imports made progress but failed to reach a breakthrough, according to both sides.

Orban, who is blocking EU sanctions citing Hungary’s reliance on Russian energy, hosted European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in his Budapest office on Monday evening for a working dinner.

“We made some progress, we could say we took a small step forward,” Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said in a Facebook video after the conclusion of the talks. “A lot more needs to be done, though, for us to potentially change our position.”

Von der Leyen said after the meeting that she’d convene a virtual conference to “strengthen regional cooperation on oil infrastructure.”

The talks with Orban were “helpful to clarify issues related to sanctions and energy security,” she said on Twitter. “We made progress, but further work is needed.”

click link for article

I'm sure they're trying to find a way to help Hungary through an extended embargo, cuz Orban's right this time, Hungary absolutely can't survive a complete embargo without a good deal of assistance.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Europe needs to speed up the interlink connections to each members energy grids.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Europe needs to speed up the interlink connections to each members energy grids.

Agreed.

They also probably need to fire up long idled coal plants and arrange to keep diesel peak demand generators running 24/7 until we can ramp up U.S. production next year (assuming a democrat party wipeout anyway).

Even more solar and wind would help (hurt me to type that).

The more electricity that Europe can generate and distribute, the less reliant they will be on natural gas.

Even converting a small percentage of natural gas demand to electricity demand makes a huge difference in the current situation.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Greece, Poland and the Baltic nations have upgraded ports that can handle LNG and Germany and Bulgaria have been given permission to use Gdansk and several Greek ports to import gas/oil. Bulgaria and Greece finished their new pipelines, connecting Bulgaria to Greece, and by extension to Turkey and the TANAP / TAP pipeline to Azerbaijan.

Poland already linked to Lithuania's energy grid.

We can start a new thread as I dont want to drag this thread off topic. Apologies to the OP.

PG4 you have a pm

a reply to: Xcathdra

Back at ya.

a reply to: neutronflux

Plain english sir: I'm saying the NYT is notorious for being nothing more than a mouthpiece for the Deep State and the medical/military industrial complex.

Likely that resulted from the success of Operation Mockingbird, but surely there are other factors too.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Such a sweet appeal to emotions you offer!

An appeal to emotions and nothing else.

a reply to: Salander

So millions of women and children fleeing as refugees leaves you cold, then?

Sorry I mentioned it, I'm sure.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Appeals to emotion make me chuckle OC. That's all.

Appeals to emotion reveal that the person making the appeal has no logical reason to stand on. So I laugh.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
As far as the Brimstone goes though its been around since 2005 and it has been exported to other countries. In all this time Russian could not get one?

And even if the Russian's got hold of a Brimstone missile, what could they do with it? Keep it polished?

Besides, we keep being told that the Russian's have fantastic missile technology - it's the most advanced; best of class; a generation ahead; the dog's bollocks; top banana.

The people who have been saying this for the last few decades are probably in re-think mode, because all this advanced Russian equipment has shown to be a useless. Their warships cannot shoot down missiles and their much vaunted anti-air cannot cope with drones. The Russian air force is dependent on dumb bombs and cluster munitions, and their artillery is stuck in the 1980's, with unguided rockets and inertial guidance.