Conspiracy about Abortion issue

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You mean we can choose whether or not we have sex?

You're right. We can. Has someone made a law turning you into a lady out of the Handmaid's Tale where you have to have sex with men? If not, then you are still and autonomous individual with the right to decide if you want to have sex or not, and if someone takes that right from you, there are laws on the books punishing that person severely.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: dandandat2

Assuming you didn't understand what I wrote; I was stating that both sides of this issue are contributing to unsound policy because their more interest in furthering the righteousness of their tribe.

What tribe are you talking about?

There are two sides of this argument. One, women are autonomous, self-determined beings with the mental acuity to make their own life changing decisions, and are deserving of equal rights. The other, women don't know what's best for them, and if we don't regulate their bodies, they'll do things we don't approve of, and are not deserving of equal rights.

Currently US politics is dominanted by two groups more interested in tribalisum than the collective well-being of all Americans. Those on the extreme left and extreme right have decided that scorched earth tactics are required in order to see their tribe victorious in the current culture wars... and if they can't win they easly selt for ruining the country for everyone else.

Take this nonsensical diatribe you just posted. Eather your being extremely hyperbolic in an attempt to score silly political points or you mistakenly believe that "Women's rights" are so fragile that they can not withstand a set back to unfettered access to abortion. You clearly live in an echo chamber wherein your extremist views are the only truth and everything is black and white.

As a result no progress on this issue, or many others, will ever be gained. Your tribe and your opinions would rather fight with the enemy in your own heads rather than talk to real people and further real dialog.

Will some Women seeking abortion be adversely impacted by the laws some states will, or already have, put in place if the draft rulling becomes realty? Sure? Is it wrong and should be corrected? Maybe, i certainly can be convinced of such. Will Women go back to being bear foot and pregnant come August 2022? Hardly. I have to much respect for women and their place in our society to believe one court ruling will set back hundreds of progress.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Gothmog
Actually , if one looks at the polls...

All the non-partisan polls show a very large majority of people want abortion legal.

Where do those "non-partisan" polls come from ?
You can be really funny when you feel like it .

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Gothmog

Medicare : provided BY and funded BY the federal government

You said that health care has always been the responsibility of the states. But you're wrong. Because Medicare is health care provided by and the responsibility of the federal government.

Wrong .
I recommended you learn something , but you didn't .
Medicare funds .
Not provides .
Sorry , try again .

originally posted by: Gothmog
Where do those "non-partisan" polls come from ?

Various polling companies.

a reply to: MrEnergy

The Common Core bit at the end was proof of a sarcastic answer, thus humor.

Schoolhouse Rock only covered the Preamble (the words not the meaning). The actual problem isn’t the Republicans v Democrats having a war of ideologies but that there are Progressives v Americans within each party that muddle the message and cause confusion.

Abortion isn’t D v R issue, it isn’t even Liberalism v Conservatism but very much a Progressive v Morality issue.

A tumor starts as a mass of cells with a similar but slightly different RNA and DNA sequence than the host. The RNA fragment of that mass was altered by an external substance (carcinogen in some cases or bacteria in others) change the RNA sequences of targeted cells until a few generations later a different DNA instruction set emerges and a tumor is born. No matter how big of a lump it becomes, it will always be a tumor. A baby is a little different but has a close origin story.

Does a baby in the womb have rights?
Should it have protections?
Why is it a double homicide under the law?
Is it an American before being born?

Note that sequence because it was intentional for the “wait a second” moment to kick in. Because the next question is When does individuality begin? or When is it no longer property but an actual person?

a reply to: dandandat2

Currently US politics is dominanted by two groups more interested in tribalisum than the collective well-being of all Americans.

What a BullS# dismissal.

Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Republican and Democrat women alike have continued to rely on abortion access. Pro-choice men and women come from all American "tribes".

Take this nonsensical diatribe you just posted. Eather your being extremely hyperbolic in an attempt to score silly political points or you mistakenly believe that "Women's rights" are so fragile that they cannot withstand a set back to unfettered access to abortion.

WTF? A fundamental right that is taken away cannot survive. Privacy, autonomy and equal protection can't withstand laws that override that those fundamental rights.

a reply to: Ahabstar

The actual problem isn’t the Republicans v Democrats having a war of ideologies but that there are Progressives v Americans within each party that muddle the message and cause confusion.

Abortion isn’t D v R issue, it isn’t even Liberalism v Conservatism but very much a Progressive v Morality issue.

Progressive v Americans? Progressive ideology is unamerican? Progressive v Morality? Progressive ideology is immoral?

I just can't even....

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Absolutely un-American. Progressivism is quite akin to Feudalism. And every precept is unconstitutional.

It's amusing, in a macabre way, to witness the people that get frothing mad, on the verge of sky screaming and absolutely b@t-sh!t crazy on an issue that a) very often has no bearing personally for the person getting all worked up and b) on the continuum of pressing issues for this country that you enumerated in the OP, and here in 2022, it barely. f'n. REGISTERS.

That is what has been historically labeled a "wedge" issue, and despite its relative pertinence, or lack thereof, to the people who want it banned vs those that don't, it has been masterfully deployed as a "wedge" issue for a long time, and continues to be a strategic red meat enticement, as we see now. Clearly this was the intent of whatever leftist that orchestrated the leak, which is probably part of the same gang that told Breyer "Look, you're retiring and we're putting a black female into your slot, so STFU and go away now. Thanks, that'll be all"

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: dandandat2

Currently US politics is dominanted by two groups more interested in tribalisum than the collective well-being of all Americans.

What a BullS# dismissal.

Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Republican and Democrat women alike have continued to rely on abortion access. Pro-choice men and women come from all American "tribes".

Take this nonsensical diatribe you just posted. Eather your being extremely hyperbolic in an attempt to score silly political points or you mistakenly believe that "Women's rights" are so fragile that they cannot withstand a set back to unfettered access to abortion.

WTF? A fundamental right that is taken away cannot survive. Privacy, autonomy and equal protection can't withstand laws that override that those fundamental rights.

Remind me, are we talking about forced vaccination or abortion "rights" again?

The privacy, autonomy, equal protection words are rather stirring; I just can't remember which issues we are and aren't applying them to?

a reply to: Ahabstar

Progressivism is quite akin to Feudalism.

You're comparing apples to helicopters.

But you know that. Look out for those overeducated female millennials!

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: dandandat2

Currently US politics is dominanted by two groups more interested in tribalisum than the collective well-being of all Americans.

What a BullS# dismissal.

Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Republican and Democrat women alike have continued to rely on abortion access. Pro-choice men and women come from all American "tribes".

Take this nonsensical diatribe you just posted. Eather your being extremely hyperbolic in an attempt to score silly political points or you mistakenly believe that "Women's rights" are so fragile that they cannot withstand a set back to unfettered access to abortion.

WTF? A fundamental right that is taken away cannot survive. Privacy, autonomy and equal protection can't withstand laws that override that those fundamental rights.

Remind me, are we talking about forced vaccination or abortion "rights" again?

The privacy, autonomy, equal protection words are rather stirring; I just can't remember which issues we are and aren't applying them to?

We're talking about the fundamental issue of "My body, My choice". The civil rights that Roe V Wade defines and affirms concern way more than abortion and reproductive rights.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Gothmog
Actually , if one looks at the polls...

All the non-partisan polls show a very large majority of people want abortion legal.

And all that means is that your society is sick and disgusting.

originally posted by: malvy
And all that means is that your society is sick and disgusting.

Good. I'd rather be like this then the theocratic s***holes that tell women what to do with their bodies.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No one is telling women what to do with their bodies, just what they are not allowed to do with the human bodies growing inside of them when the health of the mother isn't being compromised.

It's pretty awful that this is even something that needs to be legalized, but its just one more sing pointing at how much our culture and society has been corrupted and doesn't understands what its priorities should be: motherhood and human life should always be at the top of that list.

a reply to: malvy

No one is telling women what to do with their bodies, just what they are not allowed to do with the human bodies growing inside of them when the health of the mother isn't being compromised.

There's the problem, a lot of times the mother's health IS being compromised but these people don't care.

originally posted by: malvy
No one is telling women what to do with their bodies, just what they are not allowed to do with the human bodies growing inside of them when the health of the mother isn't being compromised.

100% up to the woman. No one should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term if they do not want to.