Lavrov "We are at war with NATO"

a reply to: turretless

Did Lavrov really state this?

Nobody needs Ukraine. It is expendable

If he did, then he is sick in the head. He needs putting down.

A defensive pact? Against whom? The Cold War ended. Anything they need defense against now, THEY created. THEY as in those in charge, of both the West & Russia & China, the GLOBALIST puppet masters. You don't realize you're being played, and you'll be the cannon fodder on the front lines like the rest of us, while the elites will be sitting back in their mansions with the finest foods and wines, the finest luxuries you can imagine, without a worry in the world.

Let's not forget Russia, especially in Putins early days, tried to bring Russia & the West together.
He suggested joining NATO, he suggested joining the European Community/EU. They rejected Russia.
They rejected Russia and continued to expand their MILITARY foot print up to Russia's borders.

I'm not going to suggest that that justifies Russia's aggression in Ukraine.
What's right and wrong is subjective in these cases, and we as civilians don't know the full story anyway. But ultimately it is wrong because innocent civilians are the ones who pay the ultimate price every time, no those who make the decisions.

But, had the West not been hell bent on one day carving up Russia, and they very much want to do that, then we wouldn't have this situation today, this war going on.
Instead, we the West would have gained a valuable ally and partner, with vast amounts of resources, that could have benefitted the whole world.
And in turn could have helped contain China now.
China, another crazy thing where the globalists in charge have created another monster, and will pit us against them.

Wake up man.

They've been doing this # for a long long long time. How can you still be ignorant to the facts and think like such a sheep.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: mortex


So a country choosing to join a defensive alliance against a russian invasion somehow threatens russia, who swears they have no intention of invading anyone?

It's none of russia's business what a non threatening neighbor chooses to do.

Besides the fact that Ukraine isn't even a member of NATO, putting the icing on your absurdity cake.

originally posted by: mortex
A defensive pact? Against whom? The Cold War ended. Anything they need defense against now, THEY created. THEY as in those in charge, of both the West & Russia & China, the GLOBALIST puppet masters. You don't realize you're being played, and you'll be the cannon fodder on the front lines like the rest of us, while the elites will be sitting back in their mansions with the finest foods and wines, the finest luxuries you can imagine, without a worry in the world.

Let's not forget Russia, especially in Putins early days, tried to bring Russia & the West together.
He suggested joining NATO, he suggested joining the European Community/EU. They rejected Russia.
They rejected Russia and continued to expand their MILITARY foot print up to Russia's borders.

I'm not going to suggest that that justifies Russia's aggression in Ukraine.
What's right and wrong is subjective in these cases, and we as civilians don't know the full story anyway. But ultimately it is wrong because innocent civilians are the ones who pay the ultimate price every time, no those who make the decisions.

But, had the West not been hell bent on one day carving up Russia, and they very much want to do that, then we wouldn't have this situation today, this war going on.
Instead, we the West would have gained a valuable ally and partner, with vast amounts of resources, that could have benefitted the whole world.
And in turn could have helped contain China now.
China, another crazy thing where the globalists in charge have created another monster, and will pit us against them.

Wake up man.

They've been doing this # for a long long long time. How can you still be ignorant to the facts and think like such a sheep.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: mortex


So a country choosing to join a defensive alliance against a russian invasion somehow threatens russia, who swears they have no intention of invading anyone?

It's none of russia's business what a non threatening neighbor chooses to do.

Besides the fact that Ukraine isn't even a member of NATO, putting the icing on your absurdity cake.

Perhaps you aren't aware of the neighbor invading country in their neighborhood?

You know, the one that's been making repeated nuke threats if anyone dares stop them from stealing land from a European country?




russia is at the top of that list, but isn't the only country on that list.

5.21.2022

Just heard on Fox News that TURKEY has blocked a vote on FINLAND and SWEDEN joining NATO.

One dissenting country can block a vote from occurring?

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to questions as part of the 100 Questions for the Leader project at the Yevgeny Primakov School, Moscow, May 23, 2022

23 May 2022 22:56
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The anti-constitutional coup in Ukraine brought to power people who said that the status of the Russian language, which was codified in laws until 2014, had to be abolished and Russians “thrown out” from Crimea. In response, the residents of Crimea held an open and transparent referendum, and the overwhelming majority voted in favour of becoming independent of Ukraine and joining Russia. The West does not recognise this. The rule appears to be the same – self-determination of the people – but the West has adopted a different position this time.

Now the West is raging as Russia defends its absolutely legitimate and fundamental interests. Russia made it clear that its security interests were being affected each time when, contrary to its promises, NATO expanded eastward on five occasions, coming closer to our borders. We also made clear that making Ukraine or other former Soviet republics part of the alliance was a red line for us. We said we knew what the United States and other NATO countries were doing when they deployed weapons in Ukraine, flooded it with modern weapons and created military and naval bases in Ukraine. Following the coup, the new Kiev authorities attempted to suppress by force the will of the people of Donbass, who refused to accept the outcomes of the coup, and they were declared terrorists. In fact, what they did was they didn’t accept the coup and asked to leave them be and let them figure things out themselves. They did not attack anyone. They were attacked instead.

It took the new Kiev regime a year to realise that the massacre was senseless. The Minsk agreements were signed, which spelled things out in a straightforward manner: the territories that are not controlled by Kiev should be granted special status, have the right to use their native (Russian) language, have their own law enforcement bodies and special economic relations with neighbouring Russian regions. For eight long years, in addition to cautioning our NATO colleagues against moving eastward and trying to swallow Ukraine by incorporating it, we tried to get them to send a strong message to Kiev about the need to comply with the Minsk agreements. To no avail. You might as well be talking to a brick wall, as the saying goes. The West was just nodding and pretending it was trying to help achieve the settlement. In fact, it was encouraging the arrogant position of the Kiev regime, which publicly stated through the president and his ministers that they would not comply with the Minsk agreements.

NATO was expanding, Kiev was refusing to comply with the Minsk agreements, and, on top of that, year after year, Ukrainian lawmakers were outlawing the Russian language in education and media. The television channels (Russian and Ukrainian ones in Russian alike) were being shut down as well. The most recent revision of yet another law made it illegal to use the Russian language in everyday life. If you use Russian, not the state language of Ukrainian, when you talk to a store attendant, you could face administrative liability.
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Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s interview with French TV channel TF1, Moscow, May 29, 2022

29 May 2022 22:04
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Question (translated from French):

Were the Donetsk and Lugansk republics annexed by Russia?


Sergey Lavrov:

This is not about annexation. If you have been there, you probably know that in response to the unconstitutional coup in February 2014, when the signatures of France, Germany and Poland were simply ignored (the opposition spit on these signatures and broke the agreement with the president), and in response to the counter-coup and statements by the leaders of the coup about the need to expel Russians and ban the official status of the Russian language in Ukraine, the residents of eastern Ukraine said they did not recognise the coup and did not want to recognise the authorities that seized Kiev, and so they declared self-government. That is when it started. France, Germany and the European Union were silent. Maybe they were happy.

Then they declared the DPR and LPR. In response, Kiev sent troops there and started to bomb Donetsk and Lugansk. Europe remained silent. Then-President of France Francois Hollande created the Normandy format. For many months we tried to stop the conflict. We persuaded Donetsk and Lugansk to give up their declared sovereignty if the Minsk agreements were implemented: it was only necessary to grant a special status to these territories. France and Germany themselves agreed on what this status should be: the Russian language, their own law enforcement agencies and special economic ties with the Russian Federation. None of this was done.

For eight long years they continued to kill civilians. All of Europe was silent and told Russia that if the Ukrainians did not want to fulfill the Minsk agreements, let Moscow fulfill them. Now Vladimir Zelensky is saying he is ready for talks, but first they will retake everything that was under their control as of February 24, and only then they will talk. That is why we had no choice but to recognise the independence of these republics.

For us, this is a military operation under the official request of the sovereign states of the DPR and LPR in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter, which recognises the right to individual and collective self-defence. We are protecting these people and helping them restore their territorial integrity.

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Question (translated from French):

As one of the closest ministers to Vladimir Putin, you probably meet with him almost every day. It is rumoured in Europe that he is sick, that he is angry that his initial plans were not fulfilled. Is this true?


Sergey Lavrov:

President Vladimir Putin appears in public every day. You can see him on screen, read and listen to his speeches. I don’t think that sensible people can see in him any signs of illness or indisposition. I will leave this on the conscience of those who spread such rumours despite seeing how he looks every day.

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originally posted by: carewemust
5.21.2022

Just heard on Fox News that TURKEY has blocked a vote on FINLAND and SWEDEN joining NATO.

One dissenting country can block a vote from occurring?

They can when those mentioned states support terrorism

www.aljazeera.com...

31 May 2022
Turkey’s foreign minister has said Finland and Sweden should change their laws if needed to win Ankara’s backing in their historic bid to join NATO following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, doubling down on a threat to veto an enlargement of the alliance.

Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Tuesday that Turkey, a NATO member for seven decades, would not lift its opposition to the two Nordic countries’ ascension unless its demands were met, echoing recent comments by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

nope .. original it was ! nato has turned into an offencive pact last deccenia ...
proof? all defencive weapons where trade in by attack weapons example : the A1L1 /FAL for the AR16 ect.
and explain please wat is the russian thread to nato ?
nato is about 8 times stronger and much moore advanced to the russian army?
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Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s remarks and answers to questions following a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council, Riyadh, June 1, 2022

1 June 2022 20:33

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Question:

The food problem is urgent for the region and the world as a whole. Did you discuss it in Bahrain and today in Saudi Arabia? What about the Western allegations that Russia is to blame for the “impending famine”?


Sergey Lavrov:

We must have the same attitude to these Western allegations as to all the other times Russia has been accused of all mortal sins. I spoke about this in detail at a news conference following our visit to Bahrain.

Today, I told our colleagues from the Gulf Cooperation Council what is happening in reality. This matter is understandable enough. President of Russia Vladimir Putin spoke about this in public more than once. He discussed this situation during his telephone conversations with the leaders of France, Germany and Turkey in the past few days.

As for the Russian Federation, we have no problems with providing stable grain supplies to world markets. The problem is that there is no free exit from Ukrainian ports because of the minefields laid by the Ukrainian military in international waters. Every day for several weeks now, the Russian navy has announce humanitarian corridors for the free exit of vessels that are stuck in Ukrainian ports because of this mine threat. They cannot leave these ports and deliver their cargo to the ports of destination. Ukrainian grain is also locked in ports due to this policy of the Kiev regime. It needs to be pressed in order to eliminate this mine threat. In addition, there is also a problem with Russian grain exports. Although the West loudly proclaims that grain is not covered by the sanctions, it coyly remains silent about the sanctions on vessels carrying Russian grain. They are not accepted in European ports and are denied insurance. All logistics and financial chains linked with grain supplies to the world markets are under Western sanctions.
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