Should Gay Marriage Exist?

a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n

there are many reasons in favor of gay marriage. insurance, taxes, pension, inheritance, etc... others are committed christians and feel it is important to declare their marriage before god. equal rights for all.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

I've never said that they should go away. I don't mind that they exist around me or even hanging out with them in a social setting. I just really don't care about a person's sexuality and don't want to constantly hear about it. It's the same as when I don't care if a person is vegan, but it bugs me when they have to fit that into every conversation. 

Now, I wouldn't mind if the Christians who do not live as Jesus would have them live went away. Wow! Could you imagine it?

A quieter me really is something to worry about. 

ETA: One of my gay friends posts pictures of him and his husband doing normal things like eating lunch at a restaurant. I have given the "heart" reaction to every one he has posted. I get a good feeling from seeing happy couples. Although I don't like excessive PDA like groping and kissing, I really don't like to see straight couples doing it either. 

originally posted by: continuousThunder

originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: Phage
...but I imagine...

well that's the whole crux of the issue, isn't it? you don't know, you imagine. but you don't let that stop you talking authoritatively on subjects you have zero personal experience of.

This is something i am working on myself. I don't mean to be, but sound too matter of fact when speaking sometimes, and it'll be in subjects I only know a little about.

I try now to keep my opinions to myself unless asked for. Or if I do chime in on a subject, I'll try and add a caveat 1st, like "I'm no expert on the subject" or " I've heard this theory, don't know if it's true or not but...."

It's work in progress, the real tough one is listening to someone you know is wrong 😬

Add for gay marriage? It should be NO ONE else's business.

a reply to: Albert999

I try now to keep my opinions to myself unless asked for.

You don't need to my friend , it is always allowed to have another opinion and express it.

a reply to: continuousThunder

I was too tired last night to grab a link, but my imagination is powered only by science. 

Transwomen in female sports: a scientists take

a reply to: TheGreazel

I am stating this from personal experience. I will give you two examples from my family.

1- I have a cousin, male, who is gay and not very open about it. If you met him you would never know. He and his partner have adopted 2 children. They are integrated and have never had an issue. They raise their children very conservative. Kids do not know it is 'different' to have two dads. They are great parents.

2- I have another cousin, female, and if you ask her she is an 'activist' for gay rights. She is very very open and combative about it. She and her partner adopted a son. They have instilled in him that he must be a champion for gay rights to the point the child now thinks he is just like mommy and likes boys. We in the family watched the transition over a few years and they fully support it.

This is my point. Just like a person can raise a child to be racist, or a bigot, or a chauvinist they are imposing views and not just raising the child. I feel for the kid in this situation.

Sorry, I should have been more descriptive.

I think the act of giving oneself over to a committed and monogamous lifetime relationship in the name of love is an absolutely beautiful and wonderful thing. It sure beats the rampant hedonism and sexual promiscuity that so many members of the gay community complain about.

If two people find themselves willing to commit to one another exclusively and stand together through the trials of life til death do we part I'm all for it.

Said as a Catholic.

True love is a rare and beautiful thing.

a reply to: Phage

Transgender athletes in sports are a complicated subject in my opinion. There are so many factors that need to be considered. If a male transistions before puberty, then they will not likely have any advantage that a woman from birth would not have. Due to the hormones they are given for their transformation, a woman who transitions to a man could often be more equal to his male-born opponents. I honestly have not delved that deeply into the science of this to be able to give a fully professional opinion. However, I do think that applying common sense to the issue would go a long way towards ensuring fairness in sports. 

I should say that I feel honored that the great Phage has finally decided to engage me in a debate.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Reading comprehension is apparently foreign to you. The entire first paragraph is about marriage.

a reply to: The2Billies

Maybe LGBT shouldn't be trying to cram their bedroom activities down the throats of everyone else

That made me laugh...lol

In my business there are a lot of gay people and I have never encountered what you just described.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
The modern marriage is a contract between two people that is leagally recognized by a government.

My point exactly, the state decided to include themselves in religious affairs. What happened to separation of church and state?

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
This contract marriage goes back to medieval times as two men could be married for mutual benefit such as legally sharing family resources.

I would even take it further as I mentioned to 4,000 years ago with the first instances of a union between people, in comparison to what you're saying, woman were treated as property to men to provide offspring.

originally posted by: beyondknowledge
a reply to: JimmyNeutr0n
If it were truly up to religion to marry people before God then why is it so easy to disolve?

Unfortunately, it's not anymore. When the state decided to include themselves in religious affairs, is when you see divorce start to rise, for good or for worse.

“I, [name], take you, [name], to be my beloved [husband/wife], to have and to hold you, to honor you, to treasure you, to be at your side in sorrow and in joy, in the good times, and in the bad, and to love and cherish you always. I promise you this from my heart, for all the days of my life.”

My same argument goes for marriage as it does with abortion. Responsibility is the key component. Make wise decisions with yourself and you will be rewarded for your actions in kind.

a reply to: continuousThunder

Your entire post is off center and out of touch.

I mean, seriously, posters in 2022 raging about a basic civil right that has been accepted for years?

You are referring to gay marriage. I said I had no problem with that. What part of that is raging about it?

Guys, you ground that axe to a nub a decade ago and all you have left is a hypocritical handle. Waving it over your head does not send the message you think it does.

The issues I referred to, men competing in women's sports, biological men demanding women's health care and forcing insurance companies to cover it, this is not a resolved ten year old issue. This is brand new. That axe hasn't even started to grind yet.

I really don't care if gay people want to get married. Or if some man wants to be treated like a woman. Just don't lie to me and force undue duress on everyone around you by trying to make us be enablers to your delusion. If you are a man and want to be treated like a woman just say so. I will probably laugh at you but I just may play along too. But when you are a biological male and demand that you are female just because you said so, I will fight that til the end. You are not female, you are a male with issues. If you want to lie to yourself, go ahead. But don't expect me or anyone else to participate in your delusion.

I have no problem with gay marriage or gay people, for the most part. Its the obvious lies and ridiculous associated requirements some try to place on society falsely in the name of equality that I object to.

Huh this conversation got a lot of replies pretty quick...

Just to reiterate my point, there is no reason why the government should give incentives to any married couple because as I said, it leads to disenfranchised people that want to be included in the grab-bag give away. Because we kept gay couples on the outside looking in, they wanted to be apart of that too, because they loved eachother just as much as a straight couple did...why shouldn't they be included in getting tax breaks like all the other married people?

And rightfully so, they can, and I respect gay people utmost for giving their heart to someone else just as much as my heart would flutter for a straight couple because i know what love feels like and love comes in all packages. Love is love in my eyes and nothing can change anything about that, not a government decree or religious decree for that matter. Which is my point......No government can decree anything.

Marriage doesn't prove love, it just gives us tax deductions. Take the tax deductions and benefits away A-C-R-O-S-S the board.

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Homosexuals, whether you like it or not, ARE normal human beings who have sex with a partner of the same sex.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Your entirely to sensitive .

I never said they aren't human beings , I simply said they want to be treated like 'human beings' which means I agree with you.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Meh..

If 2 people want to tie the not in a legal way and then have 1 of the 2 get screwed by the govt 17 ways to sunday if they split let them enjoy the "joys" of marriage like everyone else.

Lmao sad truth man

I knew this post would get a lot of flak, truth is people don't know my personal orientation because I haven't alluded to it. I've only alluded to my philosophical views. Not to even say religious, because by no means am I a religious man. A man though, indeed.

I support gay marriage UNTIL the government decides to remove themselves from religion because a gay couple in love should be entitled to the same benefits of a straight couple in love. After that, no problem. Gay couples can call themselves married, just as a married couple can. It wouldn't mean anymore than air out of the mouth in all reality. But my argument still remains "marriage" is just as much a Christian "rite" as communion, and we don't see anyone bickering about taking communion...

Maybe they should offer tax deductions for communion...Watch communion become gay...AND AGAIN, RIGHTFULLY SO!

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

True love is a rare and beautiful thing.

Yes it is , Very Very Rare .

I've gotten that look many times from a Female " The say you love me look " , and I'm not one to say ' I love you ' just to make you feel better . I've been in many relationships over the years and I have loved one person end of story.

This thread makes my stomach turn and I question the OPs religious piety and IQ

Getting married is legally not about love anymore like others have said it's a contract - You get better health care , taxes etc .... I lived with the same woman for 20 years and could not be put on her health insurance because we were not married when we split up I almost lost everything my half of the house etc... Because we were not married and it was in her name lucky I had a deed in my name I had never filed or I would have been screwed .

So i guess it doesn't matter gay , partners , hetro , or If I want to marry my brother to get benefits It all should be allowed .

Don't care who you are.

Don't care what you are.

Don't care what you do provided you're not harming anyone.

If people put as much time and effort into improving their own lives as they do into worrying about what others do, perhaps the world would be a slightly better place.

originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
This thread makes my stomach turn and I question the OPs religious piety and IQ

Quite the conclusion to draw, and as I mentioned in one comment, I'm far from religious. You can view all my previous threads questioning Christianity.

However, your comment shows a direct reason why our society is poisoned and unable to have a conversation where 1 plus 1 equals 2 and not forcing the other party in the conversation to bend to your will...Whoever alluded to the fact that gay individuals cannot live their lives together is an absolute barbarian.

Serious question to pose to you. If you received a tax break for taking communion, don't you think people outside the religious community would feel disenfranchised by favor of one side? And thus, wouldn't we (as a society) then attempt to manipulate the fundamental nature of the rite to suit "everyone"/be fair?

Accepting gay marriage is no different than accepting a leftist narrative that boys can be girls and vise versa, an appeal to feelings.