Governor Desantis Signs The Sanity In Education Bill Into Law

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Please don't make whites feel guilty about keeping blacks as property in the past.

LOL!

Really?

Who's saying kids are responsible for slavery? No one is saying that. But let's be fair, it was whites who kept blacks as slaves.

I certainly can't help how someone might feel about that, but it should still be taught. Since IT HAPPENED AND IS PART OF OUR HISTORY.

Republicans are afraid of the past, present, and future. Maybe Republicans should stay home. The big bad world seems to offend them at every turn. Why are Republicans afraid of everything including their shadows? I'm serious.

Sit home, hold your gun, and be afraid of everything outside your front door, and claim anyone who doesn't think like you molests children. See if I care. But really, is that any way to live?

If you want to be fair, you need to amend your statement. It was not whites who kept blacks as slaves. It was both.

There were plenty of white slaves in this country too. Ask the Irish. They were often treated worse than the blacks were. And most importantly in regards to your previous comment, there were black slave owners too.

In fact, the first legally recognized slave owner in the US was a black man named Anthony Jackson. He had an indentured servant named John Casor. The agreement was that after 8 or 9 years of servitude Casor would be granted his freedom and his own plot of land. When the time expired Jackson refused to grant Casor his freedom. Casor sued, Jackson counter-sued and won. Jackson was awarded ownership of Casor for life making him the first legally recognized slave owner and making John Casor the first legally recognized slave for life in the US.

As for people today trying to make each other feel guilty or responsible, that needs a whole lot of clarification. The problem is that slave owners had sex with slaves as often as they could. It increased the number of slaves they owned thereby increasing their wealth. The problem is that today many people that are descendant of slaves are also descendant of slave owners. So are they supposed to fell guilty or not? If reparations are considered, do they get payed or do they pay someone else? Its not so cut and dried easy as people think it is.

Bottom line is that not only is it wrong to force this kind of abusive oppressive indoctrination on children, it is also historically factually incorrect in the first place.

BTW, it is democrats who are afraid of everything, especially history. That is why they continually try to rewrite it. Republicans embrace history. We have been on the right side of it far more often than the wrong side.

a reply to: Allaroundyou

Thank whomever Christian view can be not allowed either.

Thank you, whomever!

I don't want a schoolteacher substituting Christian ideology for math and science either. That's why we have churches and Sunday School.

(Not sure why you think this has anything to do with religion, but whatever.)

TheRedneck

a reply to: MiddleInsite

Please don't make whites feel guilty about keeping blacks as property in the past.

LOL!

Really?

Yeah, dammit, really! I'm white but I have never owned a slave in my life. Neither of my parents ever owned a slave. None of my grandparents ever owned a slave. My kids never owned a slave. As a matter of fact, despite years of researching my family tree I cannot identify anyone in my history who ever owned a slave!

So GET... OFF... MY... CASE... ABOUT... SLAVERY!

Who's saying kids are responsible for slavery? No one is saying that.

Yes, Critical Race Theory does say exactly that!

But let's be fair, it was whites who kept blacks as slaves.

Wrong again. Wealthy people owned slaves. Some were black themselves.

Go back in any culture far enough and you will find members of one race owning members of another race. Black owning white, white owning black, asian owning black, asian owning white, white owning white, black owning black, asian owning asian... There are still countries on this planet where slavery still exists! But people like you want to ignore that and instead dredge up as many hurt feelings and bad stories as possible to combat slavery in a country where it hasn't existed for 160 years!

And you lie through your teeth to do it.

Just

TheRedneck

Now, to the OP, since I got that off my chest...

Good job Florida! Of course, Alabama is way ahead of you... we passed a bill like this some time back. But that's normal, and a late success is still a success.


TheRedneck

originally posted by: Dapaga

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Who's saying kids are responsible for slavery? No one is saying that. But let's be fair, it was whites who kept blacks as slaves.

I certainly can't help how someone might feel about that, but it should still be taught. Since IT HAPPENED AND IS PART OF OUR HISTORY.

But what if we went in the total opposite direction?

What if we didn't teach or speak of it? What if it was completely forgotten about? What if children WEREN'T taught that the African American ones were once considered little more than animals? What if they grew up believing that they were, are, and always have been equal?

Something to think about.

How are you going to accomplish that? Where do you draw the line? Just withhold the history of American slavery from them? What about the genocide of the indigenous people, what about the Holocaust? Should we withhold those histories from students too?

How are sheltered students going to reconcile what they are led to believe in school with their experience out in real world, its current events, movies, TV shows, music and historical books, fiction and non-fiction?

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

I am still shocked that Marxist Critical Theory is openly promoted by the Democrats. 40 years ago, they would have been run out of town for even suggesting it.

For those who don't know, Critical Theory is a Marxist division tool to remove obstacles that stand in the way of communist revolution.

www.newsweek.com...

In classic Marxist fashion, critical theory divides everyone in society into classes of oppressed and oppressors, but posits that the so-called oppressed stand in the way of revolution when they adhere to the societal belief systems and cultural norms of their so-called oppressors. Therefore, the cultural institutions that stand in the way of the Marxist revolution must be destroyed through relentless criticism (hence the name: critical theory).

Since a worker-led revolution wasn't happening, they needed another "oppressed" class to serve their purpose. That purpose was to tear down Western institutions that stood in the way of revolt and stage a Marxist revolution. Using racial minorities as their new vanguard would be brilliant. Who better to re-educate than a demographic of people whose ancestors had suffered oppression in America based on their skin color? Who better to paint as victims of a belief system of the "oppressors" and to claim the only way to liberation was to demolish the institutions of the oppressors?

In other words, the designers and adherents of critical theory admitted their true intent. Not equality under the law. Not civil rights. Not freedom, liberty and justice for all. Not a better life for racial minorities. Critical theorists admit their intent is to use racial minorities as the vanguard for a Marxist revolution.

To be fair, thousands of lives were lost and families destroyed in the wake of the Orwellian nationalist sweep. If you weren't devoutly conservative, you were targeted. Funny how those tables have turned since the new millennium.

Smdh. Ruby Bridges book is among those banned, yet the young girl bravely walked through grown adults, screaming vile names at her to just go to school. A GOP dude in NC just called the Sec of Defense and Gen Honore the N word and said they should be lynched. A man running for senate in Michigan just said marriage should only be for white people.

Many people alive today remember not being able to drink from the same water fountain or sit in the same area of a restaurant, but DeSantis is worried a child may be uncomfortable learning about slavery,or the Holocaust, Japanese people or how indigenous people were treated.

My parents came here from Italy in the 50s. We never owned slaves, however it is U.S. history. I don't feel guilty, and personally wouldn't feel guilty. The atrocities committed against numerous groups of people is uncomfortable. Maybe that's how a lesson is learned.

Excellent!! Florida is literally using all their state powers afforded them. From the looks of it, a high speed operation ready to sound off on any issues the progressives will try to get their grimy hands on.

originally posted by: tgidkp

originally posted by: optimisticcontrarian

Sounds like something a groomer would say

ugly. just UGLY.

pedophilia is an extremely serious accusation... the most serious, i would say. not something to toss around to fallaciously discredit someone or because you think it's clever.

this is not the mudpit.
get a grip and grow up.

Im not tossing it around fallaciously, it really IS something that someone who is a groomer or supports grooming would say, anything to downplay whats really going on or distract from the very real grooming this stuff is teaching our kids, did you know that if i linked some of the pictures and cartoons they are wanting to show our KINDERGARDNERS , that I could be charged with distributing child pornography? Thats fact, NOT taking anything out of context, its their OWN material.

Were past the point in this country of screaming "bigot" or "racist" with no real meaning, when us conservatives say "groomer" we DAMN well mean it

originally posted by: MiddleInsite
Please don't make whites feel guilty about keeping blacks as property in the past.

LOL!

Really?

Who's saying kids are responsible for slavery? No one is saying that. But let's be fair, it was whites who kept blacks as slaves.

I don't know any white people who kept blacks as slaves in the past. Most whites who kept black slaves in the past are dead now.

I guess you could be talking about current white people's ancestors. But I really dont think I know anyone personally who descend from slave owners.

For me personally when my family came to this country in the 40s and 50s they worked along side the black families that lived in the same communities digging diches and changing bed pans.

Did your family gain wealth from owning black slaves?

a reply to: frogs453

Many people alive today remember not being able to drink from the same water fountain or sit in the same area of a restaurant

Really? That ended in the 1960s. Anyone who remembers that would be well over 60.

I'm over 60 and I never experienced that.

DeSantis is worried a child may be uncomfortable learning about slavery,or the Holocaust, Japanese people or how indigenous people were treated.

No, and stop twisting the facts into something they are not. Critical Race Theory has zero to do with history; it is indoctrination that one is either an oppressor or a victim based on one thing: the color of their skin.

That's what DeSantis has put a stop to and that's what Alabama put a stop to: pure, overt, unapologetic RACISM.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: frogs453
Smdh. Ruby Bridges book is among those banned, yet the young girl bravely walked through grown adults, screaming vile names at her to just go to school. A GOP dude in NC just called the Sec of Defense and Gen Honore the N word and said they should be lynched. A man running for senate in Michigan just said marriage should only be for white people.

Many people alive today remember not being able to drink from the same water fountain or sit in the same area of a restaurant, but DeSantis is worried a child may be uncomfortable learning about slavery,or the Holocaust, Japanese people or how indigenous people were treated.

My parents came here from Italy in the 50s. We never owned slaves, however it is U.S. history. I don't feel guilty, and personally wouldn't feel guilty. The atrocities committed against numerous groups of people is uncomfortable. Maybe that's how a lesson is learned.

Show me where that is in the bill.

a reply to: MiddleInsite

Please don't make whites feel guilty about keeping blacks as property in the past.

No go ahead! Occupy your whole life trying.

a reply to: network dude

Sorry I confused it with HB1467 which already passed this year. Over 200 books are banned in South Florida and must be removed by July.

You may not remember. I was not born yet, but I have personally heard stories and read posts from people who were grown (in their 80s) young adults and children who do remember not being allowed. It's not some far off history.

Since the bill includes the words "psychological distress" and allows the parents to sue, what's to stop a parent from suing a teacher, if a child comes home, heard that white people stopped black people from drinking from the same fountain? The child innocently mentions it at home? Mentions they didn't know and think it's wrong? There are so many people who think CRT is being taught everywhere right now. The parent gets upset, believes they are "indoctrinating" the child and sues.

Now the teacher who taught facts but did not say anything about " white people bad" has to pay to defend themselves for teaching?

a reply to: frogs453

What 200 books are banned in South Florida ? 🥶

a reply to: xuenchen

The full listing for each district is listed at the end of the article here

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: network dude

Sorry I confused it with HB1467 which already passed this year. Over 200 books are banned in South Florida and must be removed by July.

You may not remember. I was not born yet, but I have personally heard stories and read posts from people who were grown (in their 80s) young adults and children who do remember not being allowed. It's not some far off history.

Since the bill includes the words "psychological distress" and allows the parents to sue, what's to stop a parent from suing a teacher, if a child comes home, heard that white people stopped black people from drinking from the same fountain? The child innocently mentions it at home? Mentions they didn't know and think it's wrong? There are so many people who think CRT is being taught everywhere right now. The parent gets upset, believes they are "indoctrinating" the child and sues.

Now the teacher who taught facts but did not say anything about " white people bad" has to pay to defend themselves for teaching?

you really should read the bill. it's 4 pages.

Kids can and will learn all about our history, they will likely watch Roots at some point, they will be told of slavery and how evil it was. What they won't be told is that they are somehow responsible for any of it, or that anyone is better or worse than they are based on nothing but skin tone.

eta: 7 pages, but big print.
www.flsenate.gov...

Are you really that racist?

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: xuenchen

The full listing for each district is listed at the end of the article here

perhaps you can explain in your own words why a K-3rd grader might need to learn about:

In Florida, the majority of banned books touch on race (How to Be an Antiracist by Ibrahim Kendi, The Bluest Eye by Toni Morrison), sexuality (Forever by Judy Blume, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley), and sexual orientation and gender identity (Two Boys Kissing by David Levithan, Gender Queer: A Memoir by Maia Kobabe). This comes as the Republican-led Florida legislature has passed laws such as the Stop WOKE Act (HB 7), which prohibits teaching Critical Race Theory in schools, and the so-called Don't Say Gay bill, which bans instruction involving gender and sexual orientation for many young students.

thanks in advance.

a reply to: frogs453

Those books are not "banned in Florida." They are banned from the schools. You can still buy any of them, and most are probably at the public libraries.

So if you want to read Gender Queer: A Memoir by Maia Kobabe (one title listed) you can still do so. Just not in the school library.

Many years ago, my son came home from school upset. He was in the advanced reading program, and there was a running contest. It seems he had read every single book in the school library and was stuck because there were no books he could read for credit left. OK, I got this wonderful idea: I personally have a larger library than the school, possibly rivalling the local public library. I've been saving those precious books since I was a kid. Many were written for children and I hadn't cracked them open in decades, so i figured why not donate them? Then I thought, every time I go to yard sales I see stacks of old books for a quarter each! I could throw maybe $100 at the problem and wind up with 400 more books! All for a little time searching for children's books.

Great idea, right? I mean, I could even get some other parents to do that same! We could have literally donated thousands of books, all age-appropriate, to the school so they could be used to better the next generation.

So i approached the Principle. I was asking for no help whatsoever... just for her to accept the books. I was even fine with her culling any she felt were inappropriate. Her first question was, what was the title and author of the books?

When I explained that I couldn't know until I had all the books in my possession, she responded that the school was not allowed to accept any books that were not on the state listing of approved books.

You get that? Books were not specifically banned from the schools; ALL BOOKS except those already approved by the state were banned!

And you find 200 books not allowed in school libraries and suddenly it's a big deal?

YOU HYPOCRITE!

Just because DeSantis is Governor you want to oppose anything he does? But if you personally approve of the politics of whoever is in that office, you are fine with whatever they do? Where were you when my kids ran out of books to read in school? Were you crying about a bunch of highly unlikely "what ifs" then? No, because you are only upset that this was done by a Republican. Screw the kids... screw society... screw everyone; you just want to hate.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: frogs453
a reply to: xuenchen

The full listing for each district is listed at the end of the article here

Some real gem dandies there 🕳️🦇

Always trust the expert psychopaths and sociopaths to know whats best 🌫️