Atrocities of the Ukrainian Nazis

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: RussianTroll

You know your own opinions are always welcomed.

I adhere to no specific ideology; I think what I think free from such restraints - as much as is possible.
I'm not right wing, left wing or centrist....I just see things the way I see them.
I try to be consistent - sometimes I fail miserably.
I try to be fair and even minded and consider all perspectives - sometimes I fail miserably.
I try to put my opinion forward in a reasoned, considered and respectful manner - sometimes I fail miserably.

I do have a strong personal moral code which I try to stick to and be consistent in - you guessed it, sometimes I fail miserably.

Very interesting. Especially about the personal moral code. What is it based on, what are its principles and origins.
I can honestly say that my moral code is entirely based on the 10 commandments that Jesus gave in his Sermon on the Surge. And on what are based, on what historical artifacts, your moral principles?

Very interesting. You have no idea what is right or wrong unless it's written down for you? You would feel perfectly comfortable leaving a restaurant without bothering with tip money or parking in a handicap space or eating a human corpse you found by accident because there's no explicit commandment forbidding these practices?

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Cutepants

VPN is legal in Russia as far as I know. But even if it wasn't, stop being such a cuck lol. You don't have to do every single thing the government mommy tells you. I'd honestly expect a Russian to know this.

Do you honestly believe he's a Russian?

Seems more like a parody of a Russian to me.

Russiantroll has yet to type a lie on this forum, much less a funny lie or LOL as it is known around these parts. Feel free to demonstrate any false statements associated with their account.

Where did I claim he lied about anything?

But that kind of faith in a random internet forum user is a little disturbing. Does he have a restraining order against you?

(“a reply to: PiratesCut

Both. Russian Troll comes from a great culture but also deserves merciless trolling and humiliation. It's the duality of man I guess.”)

You typed,
Russian Troll deserves merciless trolling and humiliation.

You really typed those words……….WOW.

You and I are done communicating, what petty, hateful words and attitude.

Goodbye and may God bless you!




a reply to: Cutepants

You should probably just GTFO..right, save on atrocities.

originally posted by: PiratesCut
since the people of the Crimea willingly and overwhelmingly voted to become part of Russia.

You lost me there, I think you need to research that a little more.

a reply to: PiratesCut

What do you mean? Why do you think I'm petty and hateful?

a reply to: Xtrozero

This will document that the ‘new Cold War’ between the U.S. and Russia did not start, as the Western myth has it, with Russia’s involvement in the breakaway of Crimea and Donbass from Ukraine, after Ukraine — next door to Russia — had suddenly turned rabidly hostile toward Russia in February 2014. Ukraine’s replacing its democratically elected neutralist Government in February 2014, by a rabidly anti-Russian Government, was a violent event, which produced many corpses. It’s presented in The West as having been a ‘revolution’ instead of a coup; but whatever it was, it certainly generated the ‘new Cold War’ (the economic sanctions and NATO buildup on Russia’s borders); and, to know whether it was a coup, or instead a revolution, is to know what actually started the ‘new Cold War’, and why. So, this is historically very important.

Incontrovertible proofs will be presented here not only that it was a coup, but that this coup was organized by the U.S. Government — that the U.S. Government initiated the ‘new Cold War

moderndiplomacy.eu...

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Xtrozero

This will document that the ‘new Cold War’ between the U.S. and Russia did not start, as the Western myth has it, with Russia’s involvement in the breakaway of Crimea and Donbass from Ukraine, after Ukraine — next door to Russia — had suddenly turned rabidly hostile toward Russia in February 2014. Ukraine’s replacing its democratically elected neutralist Government in February 2014, by a rabidly anti-Russian Government, was a violent event, which produced many corpses. It’s presented in The West as having been a ‘revolution’ instead of a coup; but whatever it was, it certainly generated the ‘new Cold War’ (the economic sanctions and NATO buildup on Russia’s borders); and, to know whether it was a coup, or instead a revolution, is to know what actually started the ‘new Cold War’, and why. So, this is historically very important.

Incontrovertible proofs will be presented here not only that it was a coup, but that this coup was organized by the U.S. Government — that the U.S. Government initiated the ‘new Cold War

moderndiplomacy.eu...

Frankly this material deserves its own thread, please and thanks.

a reply to: Freeborn

RT just balances out the propaganda from the UK MSM FB............. For sure RT is pro Russia yet we need a bit more like this as we are being bombarded by Vlad bad Zelensky the second coming.

On the "special operation" yes totally agree it is an invasion by Russia and this is (from a Russian perspective) a necessity as Ukraine is on the verge of being NATOised / EUised and will be a forward base for Yankee Doodle Dandies to position their defensive ( ) military. No offense to the USA I appreciate they have done and been a force good on Planet Earth for much of the past 200 years but when dealing with Russia they have literally taken the piss since 1991 when they could have played it fair.

Totally agree on the Russian's comitting bad stuff in the east in the past eight years. Anywhere you get the human ape bad stuff will occur especially on fault lines like the one in Ukraine. Fault lines like these I guess settle doen then start moving gain, not that long ago within living memory some of the craziest violence ever seen exactly the same fault line. Times like this FB I'm glad to be in the UK on our islands well away from all the madness, lots of knobs and dickheads over here heck there was this screaming outside the shutter doors at work today. Seen this geezer before bit of a smackhead screaming Arrgghhhh all morning, guess the crops supplies dried up or something. At least we have no fault lines anymore just many crazies and can deal with them, hope you have aa wonderful weekend FB x

a reply to: TzarChasm

You are right 👍🏻Feel free to write an OP or I can. A lot of EU based organizations have some very interesting views based on those times, its a nice contrast to the ones done here. The EU organizations at least in 2014 took a very skeptical and objective view of the US activities during that time

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

RT just balances out the propaganda from the UK MSM .....

By repeating Russian propaganda verbatim or producing Russian government sanctioned journalist pieces.
That's not 'balance', that is just the other side of the same coin.

For sure RT is pro Russia yet we need a bit more like this as we are being bombarded by Vlad bad Zelensky the second coming.

You know, I've haven't seen many posts on here praising Zelensky for anything other than his defence of his own country from an invasion by a neighbouring country that repeatedly stated that it had no intention of invading, that it had no intention of killing anyone.
Most people recognise that there were problems with his administration.....doesn't justify the death and destruction we are witnessing.

And to be honest with you, there seems to be a hell of a lot of Flag Waiving, Defenders of Freedom and Liberty here on ATS voicing their admiration and support for a brutal and uncompromising de facto dictator who suppresses all dissention and proponents of the very values they allege to hold so dear.

On the "special operation" yes totally agree it is an invasion by Russia.....

Then call it that instead of complying with Putin's attempt to obscure the truth.

....and this is (from a Russian perspective) a necessity as Ukraine is on the verge of being NATOised / EUised .....

No they weren't.
NATO had point blank refused Ukraine entry and there was no hope whatsoever of it happening.

Regardless, as an independent country does Ukraine have the right to align itself with whoever it wants or should its foreign, defence and economic policies be dictated by its stronger and intimidating neighbour?

....and will be a forward base for Yankee Doodle Dandies to position their defensive ( ) military.

Yes, I do get that.
But maybe if Russia wasn't so aggressive and bullying and demanding that its neighbours do what they tell them to do these countries wouldn't feel so threatened?
They have a genuine fear of being forced back into some new Soviet like Greater Russian Empire.

Putin doesn't even recognise their right to exist - do you agree with that?

Times like this FB I'm glad to be in the UK on our islands well away from all the madness,....

Do you honestly think if the international community hadn't kicked up such a stink Putin would stop at Ukraine?

And being 'on our islands' will count for nothing if Putin carries out his repeated threat of using first strike nuclear weapons.

Take care mate.

a reply to: JBurns

All this is still based on Ukraine being a part of Russia for some reason. Russia has always stated Ukraine is Russia when it isn't. This isn't the 1960s, we can hit anyone anywhere in the world, Nukes in Ukraine are not needed or even desired. Same with US- bio-weapons labs, Ukraine would be the last place America would have them..geez.

You all forget before the so called coup it was a Puppet government of Russia, but ya Russia is innocent in it all. The problem is Russia didn't play the positioning for power well enough so they have resorted to physical force. Whatever took place before the invasion has been pretty much obliterated in comparison to the death and destruction Russia is on unleashing on Ukraine now. They should have just kept playing the tit for tat game and not this, it will not bold well for them in the end.

So many of you think Russia has some right to do what they do, I'll repeat again to make it clear. UKRAINE IS NOT A PART OF RUSSIA, its a sovereign state.

a reply to: Salander
It appears that way.

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: stonerwilliam

There is nothing worse than a civil war. And what is happening now between the peoples of Ukraine and Russia is a civil war. But between governments, this is a NATO-Russia war.

This conflict has been in the making since way before 2014 or as I pointed out to another Russian person here if Peter the Great had not changed the old calendar the year 7521 , remember Mr RT I am old school .

The name Joseph Moshe and the flu deaths in the Ukraine from 2008-2009 is where to look but someone just as in the vaccine deaths seems to have missed a 0 or 2 in the figures somewhere.

a reply to: RussianTroll

Your position allows me to equate you with terrorists, as hundreds and thousands of mercenaries from Western countries, including yours, are fighting in a foreign country

Your position allows me to equate you with Russian terrorists, who I'm pretty sure the real terrorists, invading and fighting in a foreign country (Ukraine) and slaughtering, raping, and murdering civilians, families, children, those attempting to flee, and bombing hospitals, schools, homes, etc.

Do you condone that?

But continue on with your BS propaganda. At least you are consistent.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: choomsuba

In this war, Putin has the high moral ground.

Washington has the gutter, as usual.

So 'washington' invaded a non threatening country in order to steal land?

Exactly what 'high ground' does putin maintain while indiscriminately bombing cities?

Absurd.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

So 'washington' invaded a non threatening country in order to steal land?

You saying we didn't fight indians for the land?

Exactly what 'high ground' does putin maintain while indiscriminately bombing cities?

Precision strikes are not indiscriminate. I have seen indiscriminate shelling of villigages carried out by Ukraine. In some cases the only ones there were the civilians. RF forces had already left.

Besides all of that Russia isn't keeping the land, DPR is and the people who inhabited that land voted to join them in 2015.

Russia is doing what the US have done over and over. Or at least we claimed we were. They are liberating the people from an oppressive regime.

You can argue the validity of them doing that but so can the people of the countries we invaded.

Hell, we once invaded a country to depose the democratically elected government because they were going to mandate that workers for a US fruit company pay a fair wage.

All the posturing about perceived high ground doesn't matter when powerful countries perceive a threat to their security. Be it physical or something like the value of the petrodollar.

a reply to: Grimpachi

we tried buying the land first. they got violent,so we answered in kind and beat them until they gave in.

a reply to: SirHardHarry

Liberating a recognized independent nation called the DPR...not just invading to take over. I know its hard to grasp such a concept when you are slamming glass after glass of the kool-aid...but it doesn't change reality for the rest of us.

a reply to: yuppa

Russia tried to negotiate too...but they got violent...on their own people even. So I guess russia is doing the same...