The economic blitzkrieg against Russia has failed

a reply to: burdman30ott6

If your government has already been taken over by a unified party, that's a really cheap invasion. It uses no resources and accomplishes the end result of what a war would do but without the cost.the only danger is a millitary coup, but if the millitary is run down and the top staff recruted by the government the only resistance will come from unorganised fractionated mobs, the only problem that confounds this is general collapse of pre existing infra structure. Because whatever way this gets spun you have still been shafted,which has its price.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

That doesn't sound right. Even Biden's SOS doesn't dispute that Russia provided assistance in Afghanistan in our so called "war on terror"

Russia even allowed US and NATO forces to move through its territory to Afghanistan.

"We cooperated with regard to Afghanistan, where Russia played a positive role, particularly in letting our forces and our equipment transit into and out of Afghanistan."

www.pbs.org...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Oldcarpy2 it isn't insults. No one is insulting you, not at all. But quite a few of us are just baffled at the effectiveness of anti-Russian propaganda. The insistence that Ukraine's 2014 coup was lead by the US is not controversial. The idea that it lead up to the current confrontation should also not be controversial, unless you are working from an information set that denies all information not favorable to your own position

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Someone disagreeing with you shouldn't be considered an insult. That doesn't seem healthy.

a reply to: JBurns

With all due respect; wtf has happened to you?

Wanting Russia to hurry up and nuke somewhere.
Calling for Civil War and/or Russia to invade the USA.
Support of a dictator who is the very antithesis of all the values you allege to hold so dear and The Constitution you preach about.

The world has gone insane.

a reply to: Freeborn

Were you surprised then or now?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Then you had a good inducation where folks like Burns were coming from....but now its different?

Why?

a reply to: JinMI

I dislike a lot of things about my country....but I don't hate it and I would never, ever abandon it.
I work to try and better things and to right the wrongs that exist here.
There are things I truly hate to my very core about the UK.
But I would fight to my dying breath to oppose any invading force.....I could never, ever advocate support for a foreign nation to invade here.
Nor would I support open, civil war or the break up of The Union because I despise which ever set of twats was in power.

For years I've read numerous Libertarians here on ATS stating how they are the only Defenders of Freedom, preaching the virtues of the sacred Constitution and decrying 'leftists' for supposedly being un-American and supporting enemies of the USA.
They've stated how tyrants should be opposed and that any foolish attempt to invade the USA would be met with a gun behind every blade of grass.

Seems that's all changed all of a sudden.

Can't help but wonder why?

I get that the USA seems broken and split down the middle and I understand why you guys would want to fix that.
But to abandon all those things you previously stood for just because you hate the current POTUS and his administration etc?

a reply to: Freeborn

First, seperating people from the govt is key, i dont believe youd take issue, yea?

So applying that notion to Ukraine, at whos command have ethnic russian Ukranians been killed by? That would be the US backed puppet admin that replaced, via a us backed coup, a russian puppet govt.

I, personally, do not condone russia for its actions. Anyone who has payed even a little attention to the Ukraine knew this was an eventuality if the course remained even two US admins ago.

NATO being the carrot on the stick, further allowed for the escalations.

I dont condone russia while also condeming my govt and nato for knowing what would happen and having the expected result.

originally posted by: Freeborn
They've stated how tyrants should be opposed and that any foolish attempt to invade the USA would be met with a gun behind every blade of grass.

Seems that's all changed all of a sudden.

Can't help but wonder why?

I get that the USA seems broken and split down the middle and I understand why you guys would want to fix that.
But to abandon all those you previously stood for just because you hate the current POTUS and his administration etc?

We were invaded, from within. Let's be realistic here, not all marriages are salvageable. Counseling isn't always effective and some relationships are toxic and the parties need to go their separate ways and break clean... that's the USA. Toxic and abusive relationship that should be cleanly dissolved for the well being of all involved.

a reply to: JinMI

First, seperating people from the govt is key, i dont believe youd take issue, yea?

Of course.

So applying that notion to Ukraine, at whos command have ethnic russian Ukranians been killed by?

Ukraine who in turn will argue, with a certain amount of justification, that they were reacting to the persecution of ethnic Ukrainians in Donbas by Moscow funded and armed Russian militias.

That would be the US backed puppet admin that replaced, via a us backed coup, a russian puppet govt.

At least you acknowledge that its a succession of corrupt administrations.
Most do not.

I, personally, do not condone russia for its actions. Anyone who has payed even a little attention to the Ukraine knew this was an eventuality if the course remained even two US admins ago.

Probably....not many US/UK/NATO/EU leaders and decision makers from the time of the break up of the USSR get away without any portion of the blame.

But that doesn't get to the heart of the matter; Putin, and by extension Russia, resented losing Ukraine and all of the other land it previously controlled after the demise of the Soviet regime.
Russia has a track record of trying to regain these lands by force.....they were always going to find some excuse, manufactured or not, to justify their invasion.

And none of that explains or excuse all the self-hate we are witnessing from so many Americans at present.

NATO being the carrot on the stick, further allowed for the escalations.

NATO has made some bad decisions but they denied Ukraine membership and told them quite plainly there was no chance of it happening....until Russia invaded.

And as I've asked quite a few times now; why do you think so many of those former Soviet and ex-Warsaw Pact countries seek protection from NATO?

I dont condone russia while also condeming my govt and nato for knowing what would happen and having the expected result.

I can understand and respect that, but not the level of self-hatred and blind support for a man who is a de facto dictator and who's style of 'government' is diametrically opposed to the core values and principles allegedly held so dear by these new Putin acolytes.

a reply to: Freeborn

The self hatred remarks are moot. People dont equal govt as youve already agreed.

My point is that this action was not only the expected, but desired outcome. As is the reaction of all the people supporting the current thing.

Ukraine is not a NATO country, as is the plan. The US alone has sent billions as its being invaded itself.

a reply to: JinMI

The self hatred remarks are moot. People dont equal govt as youve already agreed.

Not really, not when you have Americans advocating the break up of the USA, support for a country if it chose to invade the USA, nuking the USA and pure, unadulterated hatred and even death of anyone with anything remotely resembling 'leftist' leaning opinions.

My point is that this action was not only the expected, but desired outcome.

Expected possibly, not sure about desired.....certainly not this side of the pond.

As is the reaction of all the people supporting the current thing.

Please, give me some credit....can't speak about anyone else.

Ukraine is not a NATO country, as is the plan. The US alone has sent billions as its being invaded itself.

Maybe because they know that if the invasion of Ukraine went ahead unopposed then it would only be a matter of time before Putin attacked another country.....if that proved to be a NATO country then....?

Could it all be as a result of MIC/WEF etc?
I don't know....I suspect not, I think they're better at exploiting situations rather than instigating them.
Just my opinion.

a reply to: Freeborn

Could it all be as a result of MIC/WEF etc?
I don't know....I suspect not, I think they're better at exploiting situations rather than instigating them.
Just my opinion.

But that is exactly play by play what they did!

Victoria Nuland primarily, who just so happens to be running the Ukraine affairs yet again. She is obviously a complete and total disaster of a human being and yet here she goes again!

They did in fact instigate this in 2014. They did in front of everyone's eyes! And now, SOMEHOW, they have millions and millions not just convinced it didn't happen, but that now hate Russia with an unexplainable but searing rage. That rage is 100% the propaganda. But the more you point it out, the more in denial its recipients are.



Eisenhower warned us about these exact individuals!!!!





Shame on those intentionally steering us to WW3.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Freeborn

Could it all be as a result of MIC/WEF etc?
I don't know....I suspect not, I think they're better at exploiting situations rather than instigating them.
Just my opinion.

That rage is 100% the propaganda.

What rage?

What propaganda?


russia just invaded Ukraine to steal land again, using their own fake propaganda as 'justification'.

The 'rage' is entirely russian, and the propaganda is that Ukraine is overrun with nazis.

What you call 'attacks' on russia is the west calling out russia's BS, nobody is attacking russia.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
What you call 'attacks' on russia is the west calling out russia's BS, nobody is attacking russia.

Once the threshold into sanctions and weapons provisions was crossed, this went well beyond the west simply "calling out" Russia.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

And they need to be called out for it. By all means.

But so does the US. And we come with a crap load of baggage in that dept

a reply to: Freeborn

Not really, not when you have Americans advocating the break up of the USA, support for a country if it chose to invade the USA, nuking the USA and pure, unadulterated hatred and even death of anyone with anything remotely resembling 'leftist' leaning opinions.

Supporting the invasion, nuking and genocide within the states? Gonna need a link.

Expected possibly, not sure about desired.....certainly not this side of the pond.

If you expect something, knowing the outcome and do not veer from that path, instead opting to escalate, how is that not desired????

Maybe because they know that if the invasion of Ukraine went ahead unopposed then it would only be a matter of time before Putin attacked another country.....if that proved to be a NATO country then....?

But he didnt and hasnt. He invaded Ukraine. A non nato country and arguably not going very well. Even with 10s of billions in military equipment.

Could it all be as a result of MIC/WEF etc?
I don't know....I suspect not, I think they're better at exploiting situations rather than instigating them.
Just my opinion.

The two need not be mutually exclusive.

Yes there are many examples of the USA starting a war in the aim of taking land from a sovereign nation and stealing territory. A simple Wikipedia search shows the following examples from our past:

1. We forcibly invaded and took territory from at least 100
Sovereign nations in the 1800s from Native Americans with the sole purpose of stealing their land.

2. The USA annexed Texas and forcibly stole this land from Mexico.

3. 1893: Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom: January 16 to April 1, Marines landed in Hawaii, ostensibly to protect American lives and property, but were actually used as part of a coup to promote a Provisional Government under Sanford B. Dole. This action was disavowed by President Grover Cleveland, and the United States apologized in 1993.


4. 1950: Puerto Rico (United States colonial territory): The United States National Guard used P-47 Thunderbolt attack aircraft, land-based artillery, mortar fire, and grenades to counterattack Puerto Rican freedom fighters, Nationalists and independence rebels looking to end U.S. colonial rule during the Jayuya Uprising.

a reply to: [post=26470163]Oldcarpy2