Sovereign funds: The companies nobody talks about

Sovereign investment funds are basically investment funds owned by states. Like all investment funds their job is to buy things to make money with them. How is that nobody talks about them? Not even anyone from the hard right? I ask this because this companies are also “state-owned”. I’m not trying to attack anyone, just want to reveal how they manipulate us and how they hide whatever they want to.

And now the powers that be want us to call them euphemistically “sovereign wealth funds” or “social wealth funds” because everybody knows what a investment fund is and does.

How many land and real state do these funds own in countries like the USA, Canada or Australia, to name the biggest ones? Why these funds are even allowed to buy land or real state or other assets? Isn’t that another way of losing your national sovereignty?

They never talk about this companies because all sides of the political spectrum in most capitalist countries are controlled by the reactionary conspiracy and most of this sovereign investment funds are owned by members of the fascist/islamist conspiracy.

a reply to: MarxistDebunker

Is this not one of the ways countries deliver national pension plans for their citizens?

a reply to: MarxistDebunker

In the investment world these funds are talked about all the time.

Canada's teachers pension fund is massive, Norway's sovereign wealth fund, and Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund are three that come to mind and some that I've known about for ages.

Yes, they have some pull. But I don't think it's much different than many other entities. The federal reserve for instance can gobble up whole swaths of assets to "aid" them in dire times. Most western nations have done this around times of economic turbulence. Quantitative easing.

a reply to: Member3877

I’m not sure, I know Norway has a fund for the public pensions but I don’t know if it’s a sovereign investment fund or another type of fund.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

You are mixing concepts, I’m talking about sovereign investment funds, not pension funds. And I highly doubt the Federal Reserve helps foreign funds.

I’m saying sovereign investment funds shouldn’t be allowed to buy land, real state nor any other equity from other countries. In socialist countries, foreigners can’t buy land, for example.

So in America you guys are conditioned to hate every department or agency of your national government because they are “state-owned” but not these foreign investment funds who are also state-owned?

With all respect, but I would say that’s a proof the reactionary conspiracy I’m denouncing exists.

Unknown to the general American public is that there are twenty-one domestic sovereign wealth funds in the United States of America. While there are twenty-one domestic sovereign wealth funds, only twenty states have a domestic sovereign wealth fund as Texas has two. The great majority of states that have a domestic sovereign wealth fund are solidly Republican states, which primarily go to funding their education systems as well as financing their state government operations. This explains why these states can afford to have low state income taxes, or no state income taxes at all.

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American SWF are worth over 240 billion dollars while Norway's is listed at between 1 and 2 billion dollars. There seems to be enough money in the world but a lack of politicians willing to properly budget it, coupled with constantly sticking their hands in the cookie jar.

It's part of the capitalism scam..

Humans are the capital.


Tell slaves they are free, let the stupidest among them get knee jerk butthurt at anyone pointing it out.

a reply to: nugget1

With a big difference, there is nothing wrong with a U.S. sovereign fund investing in its own country, but a foreign fund (state-owned or not) shouldn’t be legally able to buy land nor any other natural resource nor strategic equity on your country.

a reply to: LastFirst

Capitalism needs to be mixed with socialism to work in benefit of everybody, but you need also a socialist government to make it work properly otherwise the reactionary conspiracy will boycott it to the point of destroying it.

On the other hand, I try to be more positive and give logical and truthful information to help others realize the fascist/islamist conspiracy.

a reply to: MarxistDebunker

Norway has the world's largest sovereign wealth fund. Not to knock them, but if Norway (not in the top 30 countries in terms of GDP) is the biggest player in this space ... it is not the main investment vehicle moving the needle globally. Hedge funds are much more pervasive, in terms of investing in real estate and such.

ETA:

List of SWF

Note the prevalence of "commodity" (energy) SWFs in that list. Most of these funds grow massive off of investing in oil and gas.

Regarding the 'non-commodity' SWFs (China), to your point, they do a lot of investing in real estate, but they are fewer in number than the commodity SWFs, and certainly much fewer in number than hedge funds.

But I agree, the optics of a Chinese, state-owned fund buying up real estate is not good.

Personally, I'm more concerned about Chinese death grip on manufacturing and supply chain, until they figure out a way to uproot terrain and buildings and move them out of the U.S.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Chinese sovereign funds buying land would not be a big problem because they are managed by a marxist socialist government and thus will be your allies when you all realize what’s really going on. But a prohibition from buying land and other natural resources should affect all foreign funds, Chinese or otherwise.

On the other hand, you put a list of individual sovereign investment funds, but it can be visualized better with a list of countries with SIFs because there are countries who have more than one sovereign fund. In it you can see United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Russia, Kazakhstan, Iran, Libya, Brunei, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and Turkey (12 from the first 18).

a reply to: MarxistDebunker

No one talks about them because there’s nothing to see here.

Sovereign Wealth Funds play a huge role in supporting pensions and other government-based spends.

A huge swath of the institutional investment landscape centers around building strategies for this massive pools of assets.

I can assure you from personal experience, these funds are pretty boring, typically target an upper-mid single digit return and stay invested for a LONG time.

It’s not talked about because it’s just not all that exciting.

Australia has a Future Fund with aboit 200billion in it. But Australia has about $1 Trillion in public debt…

originally posted by: MarxistDebunker
a reply to: LastFirst

Capitalism needs to be mixed with socialism to work in benefit of everybody, but you need also a socialist government to make it work properly otherwise the reactionary conspiracy will boycott it to the point of destroying it.

I don't know what is worse, the fact that you are comfortable spewing such nonsense - or that you actually appear to believe it.

An obvious graduate of the public fool system.

On the other hand, I try to be more positive and give logical and truthful information to help others realize the fascist/islamist conspiracy.

I would ask you to elaborate, but since your idea of 'logical and truthful' is pure unadulterated BS, I won't bother.

a reply to: DaRAGE

Yes, but how much land, natural resources or real state do these funds own in large 1st World countries like the USA, Canada or Australia?

Isn’t suspicious that we are living an era when the right and the hard right perform very well on elections in many western countries and yet this parties never talk about how much of their country is owned by foreigners wether companies or individuals?

So they (the right and the far-right) have been preaching “state-owned” companies are bad since the 1980s but they don’t say anything about these sovereign investment funds who are also state-owned?

When a foreign company (state-owned or not) buys land or any other natural resource to make money (speculate) with it, isn’t that a loss of your own country’s sovereignty?

a reply to: VulcanWerks

Ok, but how much land, natural resources, real state or shares of strategic companies do these foreign sovereign funds own in the USA, Canada or Australia?

Do you know if there is any way of knowing it, please?

a reply to: MarxistDebunker

Oz Future Fund 31st Dec 2021 Qtr update PDF link

Oz Future Fund 2021 FY PDF Link

Property appears to be about 6.5% of the fund coming in at $13 Billion of a $203 Billion fund.
The other future fund appear to be coming in at about 5.9% of their funds for property holdings.

All of it is laid out in the PDF's.

originally posted by: MarxistDebunker
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Chinese sovereign funds buying land would not be a big problem because they are managed by a marxist socialist government and thus will be your allies when you all realize what’s really going on. But a prohibition from buying land and other natural resources should affect all foreign funds, Chinese or otherwise.
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Marxists..are U.S. allies. You're going to need to elaborate on that.

originally posted by: MarxistDebunker
On the other hand, you put a list of individual sovereign investment funds, but it can be visualized better with a list of countries with SIFs because there are countries who have more than one sovereign fund. In it you can see United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Russia, Kazakhstan, Iran, Libya, Brunei, Azerbaijan, Malaysia and Turkey (12 from the first 18).

Most of those SWF in your list ^^^ invest heavily in commodities/energy, rather than property.

I agree that the rules on what SWF can purchase (in terms of U.S. assets) should be consistent.

originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened

Marxists..are U.S. allies. You're going to need to elaborate on that.

The only ones that want to destroy the U.S. are the members of the fascist/islamist conspiracy, all the attacks that your country has suffered since 1945 and before have been committed by nazi/jihadist terrorist, the only ones plotting to destroy your country are the jihadist nazis infiltrated in the top levels of your political, business, entertainment and religious segments of your society. So, when you guys finally figure it out, you will understand Marxist countries (like China and Vietnam) are your best allies to fight your real enemies.