There is no 2nd coming of Jesus. Judas was the chosen one.

Of course the vast majority will instantly ignore this / call / think this heresy - whether they use that word or not. Well..the vast majority don't really question…I wonder how many of those non-questioners will end up in the Lake of Fire?

So if you think the "message of God" is a living message...and we're in the end times...then here's something that came to light not long ago, relatively speaking. It is/was the Gospel of Judas. Only clip I could find from a great NatGeo doc about it....though I do have the whole video and could make some choice clips if I really wanted to – but I’m not that motivated.




NatGeo - Lost Gospel of Judas DVD



It's on Amazon - $4, or Hoopla (Free w/ USA Library card)


Magazine article. May be able to find full text w/o NG subscription online. Search for the title. Brave search query here:

search.brave.com...

www.nationalgeographic.com...

Some biblical scholars are calling the Gospel of Judas the most significant archaeological discovery in 60 years. [early 2000s]

The only known surviving copy of the gospel was found in a codex, or ancient book, that dates back to the third or fourth century A.D.

The newly revealed gospel document, written in Coptic script, is believed to be a translation of the original, a Greek text written by an early Christian sect sometime before A.D. 180.

Did you know early Christianity had a wide variety of viewpoints, not a singular one. PBS: From Jesus to Christ is a good series to watch. From the late 1990s.
Fully available on Youtube. If you don't know about this or similar series like History Channel - Banned from the Bible, etc...then really....your understanding is incomplete, to put it mildly.

The church of then (as it is today) is kind of like the MSM of today and COVID. Promoting lockdowns, vaccines, masks, quarantines...which well...
don't work and our backed by endless lies and $$$ printed out of thin air.





So what is meant by Judas is the chosen one? Is Judas going to return? [Well..the Gospel as described in the video doesn’t talk about the below, but I’m going to interpret]

Well not exactly. For the same reason Jesus won’t return – literally speaking. So many are living in a complete fantasy world and it will take a REALLY BIG firework show to snap people out of it…and then some other things. We grow through suffering…time to suffer.

…so anyway Judas will return, except it won’t be Judas. It will be his SOUL – reincarnated. In fact, Judas is already here, he will be one of us. On that vein, Jesus has already returned many times, so to speak – his reincarnated soul. Life after death. Who could he have become in history?
Who is he / she today? After all we can change male-female. When I think of a reincarnated Jesus, I think of Rasputin. But anyway...

This whole reincarnation is unfamiliar territory for many – Christian or not. Even those officially “Buddhist” are often ignorant about it – just like Christians ignorant of their own history. The MAJORITY is OFTEN (Almost always) WRONG – at least when it comes to more mysterious things, less defined things. Uncertain things
that require a lot more research.

The theme going forward in the End Times is upside down / reverse. Things you thought were false, are true. Things you thought were true are false.

I could list a whole bunch of things but will keep to a simple "religious angle" for now.

For example:

A Christian would think reincarnation is totally bunk/stupid/etc...[Guess they never heard of Emperor Justinian and his wife Theodora]

A Buddhist would think Jesus, the Devil, Lucifer, etc...is just bizarre and stupid, etc..or just not think of it at all.

An atheist is smart enough to know that all the major religions as taught are just bunk, but not smart enough to realize there are fragments / aspects of truth.

Turns out all are wrong. They are all right about certain things, but wrong about a lot more. Imprisoned by their own religion / philosophies.

Might find this interesting. Jesus in India. There are other documentaries, but this is a nice intro. Buddhism-Christianity have a good number of similarities.



More sources...but that's for starters.

But of course, maybe this gospel reveal has been put out there as a tool of the “devil.” "A final hurdle to weed out the true BeLIEvers in Christ."
Go back to the traditional story which hasn’t for the most part prevented / stopped centuries, no, millennia of bloodshed and fighting, lies, servitude, greed, child sexual abuse, gay clergy, etc… Nevermind people have been thinking Christ would return - and he never has, at least as a final redeemer, so to speak. Oh...take your FOURTH and FIFTH vaccine shots too! They're 95% effective! It's heresy to think COVID variants of concern come from the COVID vaccines! We are "good and righteous!" BeLIEve us!

a reply to: dontneedaname

Gnostic BS.

Yes, I said it. That is exactly what it is.


Why isn't the Gospel of Judas in the Bible?

The gospel of Judas was written long after the death of Jesus, which eliminates Judas as the author. This discrepancy in time means that the Judas gospel was not based on eyewitness accounts, as were all four of the canonical Gospels.

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Carbon dating has dated it to the third or fourth century, although written statements by the early church have dated the original gospel of Judas to sometime in the second century A.D. From its creation, the gospel of Judas was known to be a work of the Gnostics.

The Gnostics believed that secret knowledge held the key to salvation, and that sin needed no redemption.

The Gnostics were known for writing several gospels that suited their beliefs. They often glorified biblical characters who committed evil deeds, such as Judas and Cain.

Through convoluted logic, the Gnostics portrayed these men as doing God's work. The gospel of Judas was written long after the death of Jesus, which eliminates Judas as the author. This discrepancy in time means that the Judas gospel was not based on eyewitness accounts, as were all four of the canonical Gospels.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: dontneedaname

Gnostic BS.

Yes, I said it. That is exactly what it is.


Why isn't the Gospel of Judas in the Bible?

The gospel of Judas was written long after the death of Jesus, which eliminates Judas as the author. This discrepancy in time means that the Judas gospel was not based on eyewitness accounts, as were all four of the canonical Gospels.

archive.courierpress.com...

Carbon dating has dated it to the third or fourth century, although written statements by the early church have dated the original gospel of Judas to sometime in the second century A.D. From its creation, the gospel of Judas was known to be a work of the Gnostics.

The Gnostics believed that secret knowledge held the key to salvation, and that sin needed no redemption.

The Gnostics were known for writing several gospels that suited their beliefs. They often glorified biblical characters who committed evil deeds, such as Judas and Cain.

Through convoluted logic, the Gnostics portrayed these men as doing God's work. The gospel of Judas was written long after the death of Jesus, which eliminates Judas as the author. This discrepancy in time means that the Judas gospel was not based on eyewitness accounts, as were all four of the canonical Gospels.

just because something isn't written down immediately doesn't make it BS.

Writing is a more recent thing...literacy rates were far lower...at the beginning of the 1900s...only a few % had graduated / attended university.

With so much education now -- look how #ed up we are. Education / literacy doesn't make you smart. True now, true back then.

I think of Gnostic as a more blue-collar thinking perhaps. The CHURCH is white-collar.

White collar criminals...just like many stooges today. Democrat Republican or any other label in any other country.

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www.christiancourier.com...

There is much of this sort of thing in the media hype surrounding the publication of the Gospel of Judas. While it may appeal to conspiracy theorists to imagine that the church has suppressed an equally valid alternative history, the fact is that the Gospel of Judas was rejected by the early church because it was just what Irenaeus said it was: an unhistorical, late, and entirely imagined document which was produced by, and served the interests of, a small and highly unusual heretical sect of the second century A.D. In no way should it cause any Christian to reject the Biblical account, because it is evidently inferior in every way to the historical accounts of the canonical Gospels.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: dontneedaname


www.christiancourier.com...

There is much of this sort of thing in the media hype surrounding the publication of the Gospel of Judas. While it may appeal to conspiracy theorists to imagine that the church has suppressed an equally valid alternative history, the fact is that the Gospel of Judas was rejected by the early church because it was just what Irenaeus said it was: an unhistorical, late, and entirely imagined document which was produced by, and served the interests of, a small and highly unusual heretical sect of the second century A.D. In no way should it cause any Christian to reject the Biblical account, because it is evidently inferior in every way to the historical accounts of the canonical Gospels.

In fact, it's easier to LIE by WRITING, then in person. OUR memories used to be much better. THink of all the ORAL HISTORIES / POEMS recited.

We've become stupider over time.

The early CHURCH was manifested by those in POWER. ARROGANCE, PRIDE, like the MSM of today, or any other POWER ENTITY.

Not very child like.

But we're going to learn the hard way. And when "Judas" does return....many will run away scared as their HARD CORE beLIEfs crumble before their very eyes. Lots of darkness before to humble folks.

You just spit out the same tired arguments of what the "church" said.


GNOstic.

Comes from Greek - Gnosis

biblehub.com...

TO KNOW

not BeLIEve.

Time coming soon for BeLIEvers to "burn." Whether they be Christian, Islam, or anyone else.

Oh, I'm not a GNOSTIC either. I have no labels. All labels limit one's thinking.

I have come to think of ancient writings as being produced much like the game of 'telephone', where you whisper something in another persons ear, and they do the same. After 20 or so repeating's, you compare it to what was originally said. Imagine 600+ years have passed before the word-of-mouth story was put into writing and you have some room for error- whether it be the story of creation, or Judas.
What is consistent? seems to be a good indication of what might be closer to truth.

Look at a image of Mary and who do you see Infront of the Sun,. Venus's twin 8 year transit cycle's of the sun began in 2004-2012 midpoint again transit of the sun from 2012-2020.. previous pope suddenly resigned midpoint in 2012. So if Mary is Venus/Aphrodite then who is Jesus.

a reply to: dontneedaname

In this "Gospel" of Judas can you show me where he claims
to be God? I can't figure out why people think they have to embrace
false prophets to get away from the one true King. How many
lives has Judas changed? Who drives out evil spirits in the name
of Judas? Where is the power in that name?

There is none!

I hope you find the truth by way of circumvention.

a reply to: dontneedaname

As pointed out, Judas didn't even write the Book of Judas. Judas is responsible for the crucifixion
of Jesus Christ. Jesus said 'one of you will betray me' at the Last Supper. Judas was the one who betrayed Jesus.
He also committed suicide! He is definitely not "the Chosen One".

Frankly, to even suggest that, is blasphemous!

a reply to: dontneedaname

I have often thought as much about Judas.

People think of him as Evil as the Betrayer .

Yes Judas Betrayed Jesus , but he betrayed at the behest of Jesus .

There would have been no Crucifixion , no suffering for the sins of all Humans , the Veil was torn in two and the way was opened to God because of Jesus and because of Judas.

Did any of the other Disciples have the strength to betray Jesus , to do what was necessary ? No and that is why Jesus chose Judas hints he was the Chosen one.

originally posted by: Backagain
a reply to: dontneedaname

As pointed out, Judas didn't even write the Book of Judas. Judas is responsible for the crucifixion
of Jesus Christ. Jesus said 'one of you will betray me' at the Last Supper. Judas was the one who betrayed Jesus.
He also committed suicide! He is definitely not "the Chosen One".

Frankly, to even suggest that, is blasphemous!

Mate things are not always what they seem .

Judas was not evil nor the betrayer the Gospel paints him to be and the same can be said of Mary Magdalene she was no prostitute .

I have the Gospels of Mary Magdalene , and the Gospels of Judas and the Book of Enoch and many other Gospels not included in the original Cannon they paint a different picture of Jesus and Judas and Mary and many others.

a reply to: dontneedaname

If you wear a cross or pray to one you are worshipping a false idol.

If you pray to a statue of Jesus or the Virginia Mary you are worshipping a false idol.

If you believe in Jesus that's fine but he is not God.

Jesus didn't need or have a church and neither do you.

You are a temple in and of yourself believe and worship is only found within one's self.

May God have mercy on your souls as most listen but cannot hear.

You want scary? Sri Sathya Sai Baba fulfilled about 50 prophecies between the bible and islam. He materialized thousands of items, bi-located (+), raised the dead, etc. He had two birthmarks, eagles. One on his vesture (chest) and one on his thigh, according to the hindus a single eagle is a partial avatar (god incarnate), two eagles is a full avatar.

I believe this is called 'glurge'.


A painter once wanted a picture of innocence. He found and painted a little child kneeling beside his mother at prayer. The palms of his hands were reverently folded, mild blue eyes upturned with an expression of devotion and peace. The painter prized this portrait of young Rupert above all else and hung it prominently in his study, calling it “Innocence.”
Years later when the artist was old, the portrait was still there. He had often thought of painting a counterpart — the picture of guilt. One day he purposely visited a neighboring prison. On the damp floor of the cell lay a wretched man, named Rupert, heavily ironed. His body was horribly wasted, his eyes hollow, vice sprouted all over his face. The old painter succeeded admirably, and the portraits hung side by side — “Innocence” and “Guilt.”

Christ was innocence and Judas was guilt the way some see it..

originally posted by: Themaskedbeast
a reply to: dontneedaname

If you wear a cross or pray to one you are worshipping a false idol.

If you pray to a statue of Jesus or the Virginia Mary you are worshipping a false idol.

If you believe in Jesus that's fine but he is not God.

Jesus didn't need or have a church and neither do you.

You are a temple in and of yourself believe and worship is only found within one's self.

May God have mercy on your souls as most listen but cannot hear.

Yes very well said .

a reply to: dontneedaname

Ever heard this?
Leon Rosselson and Roy Bailey
Stand Up for Judas




The Romans were the masters
When Jesus walked the land
In Judea and in Galilee
They ruled with an iron hand
The poor were sick with hunger
And the rich were clothed in splendour
And the rebels, whipped and crucified
Hung rotting as a warning
And Jesus knew the answer -
"Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's"
Said, "Love your enemies"
But Judas was a Zealot and he
Wanted to be free
"Resist", he said, "the Romans' tyranny"
Now Jesus was a conjuror,
Miracles were his game
He fed the hungry thousands
And they glorified his name
He cured the lame and leper
He calmed the wind and the weather
And the wretched flocked to touch him
So their troubles would be taken
And Jesus knew the answer -
"All you who labour, all you who suffer
Only believe in me"
But Judas sought a world where no-one
Starved or begged for bread
"The poor are always with us", Jesus said
Chorus
So stand up, stand up for Judas
And the cause that Judas served
It was Jesus who betrayed the poor with his word
Now Jesus sowed division
Where none had been before
Not the slave against the master
But the poor against the poor
Caused son to rise up against father
And brother to fight against brother
For "He that is not with me
Is against me" was his teaching
Said Jesus, "I am the answer
You unbelievers shall burn forever
Shall die in your sins"
"Not sheep or goats" said Judas but
"Together we may dare
Shake off the chains of tyranny we share"
Chorus
So stand up, stand up for Judas
And the cause that Judas served
It was Jesus who betrayed the poor with his word
Jesus stood upon the mountain
With a distance in his eyes
"I am the Way, the Life" he cried
"The Light that never dies
So renounce all earthly treasures
And pray to your heavenly father"
And he pacified the hopeless
With the hope of life eternal
Said Jesus, "I am the answer
And you who hunger only remember
Your reward's in heaven"
So Jesus preached the other world
But Judas wanted this
And he betrayed his master with a kiss
Chorus
So stand up, stand up for Judas
And the cause that Judas served
It was Jesus who betrayed the poor with his word
By sword and gun and crucifix
Christ's gospel has been spread
And two thousand cruel years have shown
The way that Jesus led
The heretics burned and tortured
And the butchering bloody Crusaders
The bombs and rockets sanctified
That rain down death from heaven
They followed Jesus, they knew the answer
All unbelievers must be believers
Or else be broken
"So place no trust in saviours"
Judas said, "for everyone
Must be to his or her own self a sun"

There's a genuine recurrence of beliefs with fundamental differences trying to lens everything through their own preconceived notions.

That happens everywhere.

This whole reincarnation is unfamiliar territory for many – Christian or not. Even those officially “Buddhist” are often ignorant about it –

Rebirth is never understood.

drarisworld.wordpress.com...

Buddhists do not believe in an unchanging and everlasting entity called the soul or self. In Buddhism, belief in a permanent and independent entity called the soul or self is regarded merely as a delusion or an illusion created by the mind.

Buddhism stays out of thoughts clinging to achievable Karma, as they cause suffering.

Buddha was a lot like the biblical Angel formerly known as Lucifer. He was of the aristrocratic Kshatriya caste. An upper class kid in today's world. He then took issue with the hypocrisy of the caste system and cast himself out. With a headstrong conviction he cut off his hair with a sword to permenantly decry the nepotism he saw in the divine system of the Hindu.

In many ways the fundamental precepts of Buddhism are purposefully oppositional to the abstract parts of the Vedas.

A Buddhist would think Jesus, the Devil, Lucifer, etc...is just bizarre and stupid, etc..or just not think of it at all.

An atheist is smart enough to know that all the major religions as taught are just bunk, but not smart enough to realize there are fragments / aspects of truth.

I'm both of those!!

Though I quite enjoy Judeo-Christian theology. I don't agree with its mysticism, but ALL world religion fascinates me, no matter how light, dark, or attached to emotion.

The "bizarre" views are world over.

It's not so much try to escape the perpetual suffering of life as much as trying to understand it as viscerally as possible. Including people's behavior.

The bias lens comes in to play with your average westerner assuming all that meditation (if even practiced) is about their samsaric karmic reincarnation.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow
Mate, according to the Bible and Wikipedia he did!
Judas literally turned him over for very little money, once Jesus came back he killed himself.

Did Judas come back from the dead 3 days after his burial? No Christ our Lord did! If you want to push Judas as being our Lord and Savior. Piss off! Blasphemous!

The so called Gospel of Judas was a GNOSTIC text written in the LATE 2nd century or to put it another way probably at a minimum over a hundred and fifty years AFTER the crucifixion of our Lord.

Judas was called a DEVIL by Jesus so do not for one moment fall into the trap of believing he was THE Chosen as he was chosen only for one thing and that was to betray our Lord though he did by all account's repent afterwards and threw the money at the feet of the temple authority's and they then used it to buy the Potters field to be used as a burial place for the destitute and the unknown and the foreigners and he also committed suicide, betraying the Lord even if it was because a devil entered him was a weight he could not bare.

But he served God nonetheless as it was all to fulfil the scriptures.

By Contrast the Gospel of Mathew is definitely FIRST century, probably over a hundred years earlier and though we only have fragments of that first century writing left the gospel has come down to us intact.

3When Judas, who had betrayed Him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was filled with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders. 4“I have sinned by betraying innocent blood,” he said. “What is that to us?” they replied. “You bear the responsibility.”
5So Judas threw the silver into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself. 6 The chief priests picked up the pieces of silver and said, “ It is unlawful to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.” 7After conferring together, they used the money to buy the potter’s field as a burial place for foreigners.
8That is why it has been called the Field of Blood to this day. 9Then what was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled: “ They took the thirty pieces of silver, the price set on Him by the people of Israel, 10and they gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord had commanded me.”

Be careful of the Devil's works in this world, Gnosticism was not always about the TRUTH but was about preaching a foreign gospel that did not accept that the GRACE of Jesus was sufficient but instead taught that salvation could only be gained through knowledge and much of that alternative form of Christianity had it's roots well and truly AWAY from the words of the apostles and in pagan belief's that tried to infiltrate and pervert the early church but failed.

Now it is amply evident therefore that Judas whom Hanged himself - Repentant as he was for what he had done to his Lord and having to live with the horror of it once that devil had left him - DID NOT WRITE that false gospel.

a reply to: Backagain

Mate, according to the Bible and Wikipedia he did!

Wikipedia ? Please tell me your joking PLEASE TELL ME YOUR JOKING !