18,000 Russians dead in Ukraine War .

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Context matters, show me the post.

Or I simply don't believe you, nobody was trying hide the fact that we sent 50 Javelins as russia was massing it's invasion forces, we did so publicly and even discussed it here.

There is nothing improper about providing Javelins, they don't pose a threat to anyone not on Ukrainian soil, and had NOTHING to do with why russia invaded Ukraine.

PatriotGames “I said it's a false whataboutism to Ukraine, because nobody was putting missiles in Ukraine. “

Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...


PatriotGames: “Stop lying. U.K. did NOT arm Ukraine. “

Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...


“ You made the claim that U.K. was arming Ukraine.

Up to you to back up your absurdity. ”

Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...

All 3 examples are completely accurate when taken in the context of the conversation.

There is nothing improper about providing defensive weapons to Ukraine that pose zero threat to anyone not invading Ukraine.

Such as Javelins or the harbor patrol boats you were so upset about.

You said UK didnt arm Ukraine. I Proved you wrong.

You still maintain that suppling Ukraine with “defensive weapons” isnt arming ukraine yet a poster here has corrected you. I corrected you. And you were corrected in the original thread.

Reading comprehension problems?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


We sent 50 while russia was massing forces on the border, which IS a small amount, stop twisting words into lies.

We could send 50,000 and it still wouldn't be anything improper, they pose no threat to anyone not invading Ukraine.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


We sent 50 while russia was massing forces on the border, which IS a small amount, stop twisting words into lies.

We could send 50,000 and it still wouldn't be anything improper, they pose no threat to anyone not invading Ukraine.

Your first lie:

UK didnt arm Ukraine

Your second lie:

It was a small amount

Your third lie:

Implying that the weapons sent to ukraine were sold as part of a standard “transaction” where NATO is “free to sell to anyone”

My truths:

UK supplied 2000 missiles to Ukraine in January 2022 before any Russian conflict materialised, FREE of charge. Backed up be several independent reports.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

Well what evidence were you after? You’ve been proven wrong on the “arming ukraine” topic, any other topics?

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Context matters, show me the post.

Or I simply don't believe you, nobody was trying hide the fact that we sent 50 Javelins as russia was massing it's invasion forces, we did so publicly and even discussed it here.

There is nothing improper about providing Javelins, they don't pose a threat to anyone not on Ukrainian soil, and had NOTHING to do with why russia invaded Ukraine.

PatriotGames “I said it's a false whataboutism to Ukraine, because nobody was putting missiles in Ukraine. “

Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...


PatriotGames: “Stop lying. U.K. did NOT arm Ukraine. “

Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...


“ You made the claim that U.K. was arming Ukraine.

Up to you to back up your absurdity. ”

Link: www.abovetopsecret.com...

All 3 examples are completely accurate when taken in the context of the conversation.

There is nothing improper about providing defensive weapons to Ukraine that pose zero threat to anyone not invading Ukraine.

Such as Javelins or the harbor patrol boats you were so upset about.

You said UK didnt arm Ukraine. I Proved you wrong.

You still maintain that suppling Ukraine with “defensive weapons” isnt arming ukraine yet a poster here has corrected you. I corrected you. And you were corrected in the original thread.

Reading comprehension problems?

We were discussing navy ships and cruise missiles at the time, the statements are 100% correct, the UK did not 'arm' Ukraine with anything even remotely close to your propaganda at the time, and sending defensive weapons is NOT improper in any way, nor considered 'arming' a country.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

Well what evidence were you after? You’ve been proven wrong on the “arming ukraine” topic, any other topics?

I've been proven wrong on nothing, you can repeat the propaganda all you want, but never gonna change the facts.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


We sent 50 while russia was massing forces on the border, which IS a small amount, stop twisting words into lies.

We could send 50,000 and it still wouldn't be anything improper, they pose no threat to anyone not invading Ukraine.

Your first lie:

UK didnt arm Ukraine

Your second lie:

It was a small amount

Your third lie:

Implying that the weapons sent to ukraine were sold as part of a standard “transaction” where NATO is “free to sell to anyone”

My truths:

UK supplied 2000 missiles to Ukraine in January 2022 before any Russian conflict materialised, FREE of charge. Backed up be several independent reports.

The UK sent defensive short range stuff AS russian troops were massed on the border to invade.

There is nothing improper about sending defensive weapons to anyone at any time, but certainly not when russia is invading.

UK could have sent 50,000 of them at any time and it still wouldn't be anything improper, a threat to russia in any way, or justification for a russian invasion.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


We sent 50 while russia was massing forces on the border, which IS a small amount, stop twisting words into lies.

We could send 50,000 and it still wouldn't be anything improper, they pose no threat to anyone not invading Ukraine.

Your first lie:

UK didnt arm Ukraine

Your second lie:

It was a small amount

Your third lie:

Implying that the weapons sent to ukraine were sold as part of a standard “transaction” where NATO is “free to sell to anyone”

My truths:

UK supplied 2000 missiles to Ukraine in January 2022 before any Russian conflict materialised, FREE of charge. Backed up be several independent reports.

The UK sent defensive short range stuff AS russian troops were massed on the border to invade.

There is nothing improper about sending defensive weapons to anyone at any time, but certainly not when russia is invading.

Where was the proof that Russia was invading at that time?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

Well what evidence were you after? You’ve been proven wrong on the “arming ukraine” topic, any other topics?

I've been proven wrong on nothing, you can repeat the propaganda all you want, but never gonna change the facts.

The fact that UK armed Ukraine.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Stop with the word twisting, I said massing troops for the invasion in January.

Are you really asking me to look up something that well known to everyone?

Pass.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

Well what evidence were you after? You’ve been proven wrong on the “arming ukraine” topic, any other topics?

I've been proven wrong on nothing, you can repeat the propaganda all you want, but never gonna change the facts.

The fact that UK armed Ukraine.

Sending short range defensive weapons is not 'arming' Ukraine.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


Stop with the word twisting, I said massing troops for the invasion in January.

Are you really asking me to look up something that well known to everyone?

Pass.

Where is the evidence Russia was amassing troops for the purposes of an invasion at that time? (january 2022)

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

Well what evidence were you after? You’ve been proven wrong on the “arming ukraine” topic, any other topics?

I've been proven wrong on nothing, you can repeat the propaganda all you want, but never gonna change the facts.

The fact that UK armed Ukraine.

Sending short range defensive weapons is not 'arming' Ukraine.

Well I’ll let ATS users be judge of what is defined as arming a country.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

Well what evidence were you after? You’ve been proven wrong on the “arming ukraine” topic, any other topics?

I've been proven wrong on nothing, you can repeat the propaganda all you want, but never gonna change the facts.

The fact that UK armed Ukraine.

Sending short range defensive weapons is not 'arming' Ukraine.

Well I’ll let ATS users be judge of what is defined as arming a country.

Sure, make sure you let them know the conversation at the time was your absurd accusation that the UK was arming Ukraine with offensive weapons like cruise missiles and navy ships, and that was justification for russia's invasion.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Facts that have already been posted & discussed or are easy to look up yourself, which facts are you having trouble finding?


You've provided opinions and propaganda nonsense, an opinion article is not evidence of anything.

Well what evidence were you after? You’ve been proven wrong on the “arming ukraine” topic, any other topics?

I've been proven wrong on nothing, you can repeat the propaganda all you want, but never gonna change the facts.

The fact that UK armed Ukraine.

Sending short range defensive weapons is not 'arming' Ukraine.

Well I’ll let ATS users be judge of what is defined as arming a country.

Sure, make sure you let them know the conversation at the time was your absurd accusation that the UK was arming Ukraine with offensive weapons like cruise missiles and navy ships, and that was justification for russia's invasion.

No I’ll let them know of the truth not your lies. As the original question was “when did UK arm Ukraine” plain and simple question.

That question is not concerned with the level of arms, it didnt ask “when did UK arm Ukraine with cruise missiles”.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: ISeekTruth101


An opinion article?

Not even worth reading.

And what are you providing here? Opinions or??

I’ve never seen you provide any evidence to back up any of your claims in any if our exchanges.

I’ve provided plentyyyyyy

Got another one!!

All that work and time to meet the inevitable

NuH Uh..PrOpAGaNDA hrrdrrr.

Sock puppets gonna sock puppet.

/shrug

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Ksihkehe


I despise obama & biden, and did no such thing, but you have nothing but russian propaganda nonsense.

You need evidence of your bizarre claims if you want anyone to ever believe any of your over the top nonsense.

You don't have any.

Ukraine is Obama and Biden legacy, period. The narrative that Ukraine is important, an ally, or pivotal to European defense is a fabrication. Ukraine is a place for the elite to siphon money at the cost of their abundance of resources.

Bizzare claims? Who does war in Ukraine benefit? Doesn't seem to have worked out for the citizens of Ukraine, except for Zelenskyy and his clique. Seems to have benefited some politician families too and don't forget the MIC. Do you know anybody in Ukraine or know somebody that does? I do. Even pro US people in Ukraine recognize that Zelenskyy was installed rather than elected.

Obama got us involved in Ukraine, Biden sent his kid there to make money along with several other politicians, Biden threatened to withhold aid to the country if they didn't fire a prosecutor looking into a company his son was involved with, and biolabs were built there using US funds. Maybe funds out of the same pool of funds that went to Wuhan and many suspect funded the research that led to a global pandemic. This is documented fact. If you despise Obama and Biden you obviously are aware of these documented facts, yet remain a staunch supporter of the protracted and fruitless war effort.

This is all widely available and I'm not going to run down links that you'll summarily ignore. Your support for the narrative is about freedom and democracy on it's face, but the back end is all Obama/Biden legacy.

The issue of my veracity is one readers will have to measure against yours I suppose. They have to choose between somebody that refuses to take a side and wishes for the minimal human suffering across the board and somebody that has taken a side and doesn't seem to care about the human cost of prolonging a hopeless war. Ukraine cannot win and will not win, not without NATO and US equipment. This becomes a nuclear war at some point if that happens. You and others pushing for continued support seem to ignore that fact. You believe it's acceptable that citizens should suffer for the bad decisions and greed of leaders, you think delaying a defeat is worth human suffering. I don't.

You arrived on ATS on the eve of a war the US shouldn't be involved in, have been posting what is now an average of 60+ posts per day almost exclusively on this issue, and I've yet to see a single deviation in your posts from the official narratives that have consistently proven to be half-truths or fabrications. Time and time again the coverage is proven to be lies and time and time again you continue to support the narrative. What do you think people should infer from these facts about your behavior?

It's a public forum and you're free to post whatever warmongering MSM crap you want. I am free to point out that you're fully onboard the Obama/Biden, WEF, and Open Society, Ukraine train. People will read and decide. Hopefully they don't listen to either of us and go find their own answers, for whatever it's worth in our post-truth society.

I find your whole schtick to be contrived. If it's your true and honest feelings after a frank review of the facts I apologize for mislabeling you, but I would strongly encourage you to review the facts again. Continued support of Ukraine war efforts is continued support for suffering. The sooner an agreement is reached the better and Zelenskyy appears willing to sacrifice his people to a hopeless war, rather than realistic negotiations, as long as the US and EU cheerlead his effort.

I'm always willing to give people benefit of doubt, but those that are unwilling to concede what are documented facts quickly wear on me. There is no version of this where the Ukrainian citizens win, so the next best thing is to minimize their suffering. Ending the war through negotiations rather than proxy war is the way that happens. I'll ignore the fact that NATO membership has been dangled in front of Zelenskyy with full knowledge they wouldn't be admitted, which is a primary cause of this invasion. I'll give you that one since it was only recently revealed, but you know it now and there is no denying it was an intentional provokation. It would have been very simple for NATO to say membership is off the table.

Do you care about people or political narratives? That's the only real question here. Furthering fruitless war furthers political narratives and results in harm to people. Are you willing to send your children to die for this? Are you willing to die for this? If not I have to question why you're willing to let other people and their children die for this.