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originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
Yes, forced! It was just a matter of time.
originally posted by: GravitySucks
For the record, I don't believe in torture or mistreating POWs. That gets us nowhere and usually blows back. but there really isn't a lot of policing other than self-policing in war, and things like this do happen. Often.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: GravitySucks
For the record, I don't believe in torture or mistreating POWs. That gets us nowhere and usually blows back. but there really isn't a lot of policing other than self-policing in war, and things like this do happen. Often.
How many of the Ukraine forces are regular army? We could be dealing with bands of men fighting for their town who are not officially in the military and if they see their town blown up or people killed who the hell knows what they would do.
If Russia invaded America I would be shooting every one of them I could no matter how...
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: GravitySucks
For the record, I don't believe in torture or mistreating POWs. That gets us nowhere and usually blows back. but there really isn't a lot of policing other than self-policing in war, and things like this do happen. Often.
How many of the Ukraine forces are regular army? We could be dealing with bands of men fighting for their town who are not officially in the military and if they see their town blown up or people killed who the hell knows what they would do.
If Russia invaded America I would be shooting every one of them I could no matter how...
originally posted by: MiddleInsite
If someone invades my Country, I'd be happy to commit a few war crimes on them. Especially if they were targeting civilians and children.
I'm not seeing a problem here.
War is hell. That's why it's to be avoided AT ALL COSTS.
originally posted by: MisguidedAngel
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: MisguidedAngel
I am sorry, I could not watch more than just the beginning of this video, I just can not watch this insanity, this madness.
The end of the video shows Ukraine soldiers unloading Russian prisoners out of a transport vehicle and shooting each one as they get out of the vehicle. I assume they did the same to all the ones on the ground in hand cuffs that had been shot. The ending of the video is the most shocking and is a war crime.
originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
So if the people of the breakaway regions start torturing Ukrainians that's cool too? I mean there was a lot of killing civilians there women and children too. The atrocities at the hands of Azov there have been pretty high over the last 6 or so years.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: vonclod
You are acting like there has been no provocation. If Ukraine hadn't shelled breakaway provinces for years there would be no invasion. This is all a setup from players above our pay level that doesn't give a flying crap about anyone but their power and money.
If an army invades another nation, that army should expect horrors like having their eyes plucked from their heads and sent running through the streets screaming. As a Texan we hold the notion of the Castle Doctrine in very high regard. I can imagine most of my neighbors would go literally ape# if a foreign force tried to invade us.
originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: vonclod
You are acting like there has been no provocation. If Ukraine hadn't shelled breakaway provinces for years there would be no invasion. This is all a setup from players above our pay level that doesn't give a flying crap about anyone but their power and money.
People's Republics (DPR and LPR, respectively), armed Russian-backed separatist groups seized government buildings throughout the Donbas, leading to armed conflict with the Ukrainian government forces.[32]
While the initial protests were largely native expressions of discontent with the new Ukrainian government, Russia took advantage of them to launch a coordinated political and military campaign against Ukraine.[33] Russian citizens led the separatist movement in Donetsk from April until August 2014, and were supported by volunteers and materiel from Russia.[34][35][36] As the conflict escalated in May 2014, Russia employed a "hybrid approach", deploying a combination of disinformation, irregular fighters, regular Russian troops, and conventional military support to destabilize the Donbas.[37][38][39]
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Then on September 20, 2015, Russia’s ambassador to Venezuela Vladimir Zayemsky claimed that the Soviet Union did not invade Poland on Sept 17, 1939 and that it was in fact Poland, not the USSR, that collaborated with Nazi Germany. He wrote that “the alleged invasion by Soviet forces of Poland in 1939 is a lie” and went on to claim that although Poland was the first victim of WWII, it tried to be “Hitler’s faithful ally” in the period before the War. “It was Warsaw’s pro-fascist stand which made a treaty of cooperation between the USSR, Czechoslovakia and France impossible”, he alleged. The same offensive attempts to rewrite history were presented by Russia’s ambassador to Poland Sergey Andreyev a few days later, speaking on Polish television.
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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: vonclod
Well I guess in a perfect world only military units would die in war...so next time you wanna cry foul about the russians just remember you condone this so when it comes from their side dont cry foul...just remember it isnt a perfect world.
originally posted by: vonclod
originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: vonclod
No you capture them restrain them and put them in a prison camp with medical treatment and food just like you would want for your own captive people.
In a perfect world..sure.
originally posted by: neutronflux
originally posted by: vonclod
originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: vonclod
No you capture them restrain them and put them in a prison camp with medical treatment and food just like you would want for your own captive people.
In a perfect world..sure.
In a perfect world Russian would have had clear military objectives, and would target mass bombings/ shelling of civilians. Or don’t invaded without clear military objectives.
The excuse there are Nazi’s is BS, And could have been handled through their position on the UN security council, and law enforcement.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: All Seeing Eye
Yes, forced! It was just a matter of time.
Ya whatever... Is Putin a saint now?
Ukraine remains one of Europe's most notorious sources of human trafficking.
Since 1991, more than 160,000 men, women and children have been exploited for labor, sex, forced begging and organ removal, according to a mid-2015 report from the International Organization for Migration (IOM).
Child trafficking by the Obama/Biden Administration using the Clinton Foundation was well known in the intelligence community. The extensive network of Child Sex Trafficking was believed organized by the Black Hats, or Illuminatti* at the Vatican and funded by the CIA Black Budget and Chinese Communist Party Child Trafficking Ring.
Apparently, their ring extended to trafficking children caught at the border, those who went by submarine to Biden-owned Water Island that lay next door to Epstein’s Pedophile Island, DUMB tunnels that ran beneath every capitol city in the nation and globe and included an underground tunnel system under Biden-owned property in Ukraine and another buried two miles beneath the White House.
In Biden’s, Ukraine underground tunnels seized laptops were said full of evidence of a massive international money laundering, gun/ drug running, child/human trafficking scheme – that appeared connected to other high powerful elites. The Biden-owned Water Island next to convicted Pedophile’s Epstein Island was another source of Biden income. It was known to have long been used in the international child trafficking network.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
originally posted by: namehere
a reply to: MisguidedAngel
that is not what the video shows, dont lie. it just shows pow's being gathered and nothing more.