Was Jesus talking to us now, from the past?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

So, now you're mixing Buddhism with Islamic Sufism? You've got quite the melting pot of beliefs going there, which is fine, just don't try to use the Bible to back up those beliefs with it, because it will fail.

a reply to: Deetermined
They are not different beliefs......they are not even beliefs.

They all point to the same ....the only reality.


Do not attach yourself to a particular creed exclusively so that you disbelieve in all the rest; otherwise you will lose much good; nay, you will fail to recognize the real truth of the matter. God, the omnipresent and omnipotent, is not limited by any one creed.
Ibn 'Arabi.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Based on all of your commentary, if God is made up of everyone and everything, then reality must also include fantasy and fiction, therefore making reality obsolete. Everything you say contradicts itself, but you don't see or understand that. God is not evil or his own enemy either.

a reply to: Deetermined

Originally posted by Deetermined
Jesus was talking to his disciples. You must have forgotten that Judas betrayed him. No, not all of the disciples were saved.

But it could equally be what I stated originally…In that some found the Kingdom of God within themselves and others didn't find it!

Btw - Love how you ignored my other point though…well done…

Originally posted by Deetermined
I'm curious to hear what YOUR definition of the right questions are.

But that goes against the point…because the “right questions” have to come from inside of yourself i.e. from your heart…It pointless someone giving you the “right questions”…that defeats the whole objective…

In other words, you could be given many different opinions…but you would never know which one is the true one. It would just be down to chance/luck if you got the right answer…Even someone who genuinely thought he was in the truth…could be wrong…even if he meant well etc…

But Like I said in my other post….Jesus said in Matthew 23:8-9 that there in only 1 true Teacher…which is the Father…which leads to understanding…

Originally posted by Deetermined
I never said we didn't have our own spirit.

Right…now we are getting somewhere…

Now remember the verse John 14:20 states you will “realize” you are one with God…which means everyone is already one with God in Spirit already…they are just not aware of it until…”that day!” occurs…

John 14:20
20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

But it could equally be what I stated originally…In that some found the Kingdom of God within themselves and others didn't find it!

The Kingdom of God or the Spirit of God isn't instilled into everyone from birth, which is why others never find it. Maybe I got confused because you were using those terms to describe our own spirits finding and connecting with God, but they are separate.

Btw - Love how you ignored my other point though…well done…

The question about where spirits reside until everyone is judged at the Great White Throne Judgement? In the Bible there are references to Abraham's Bosom that was divided into Paradise and Sheol. If there was something else I missed, just let me know.

a reply to: Joecroft

But Like I said in my other post….Jesus said in Matthew 23:8-9 that there in only 1 true Teacher…which is the Father…which leads to understanding…

That's not what that verse says, so I'll post again for reference...

Matthew 23:8

8 But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren.

God/Jesus Christ is the Teacher. (Notice that "One" is capitalized, which is referring to the Father/Son as One.) The one who leads to understanding (for now) is the Holy Spirit (also part of the Trinity of God). The Holy Spirit is currently the teacher and our advocate until Jesus returns.

John 14:26

26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

a reply to: Joecroft

Now remember the verse John 14:20 states you will “realize” you are one with God…which means everyone is already one with God in Spirit already…they are just not aware of it until…”that day!” occurs…

Let's go over those verses again too...

John 14:15-21

15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

19 “A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. 20 At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, “Lord, how is it that You will manifest Yourself to us, and not to the world?”

23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.



Jesus was talking to his disciples in these verses and he's very specific about who will "recognize" him for what he always said he was. The question everyone needs to ask themselves is, "what does it mean to keep "My word"? That's a Bible study that everyone should consider. And NO, it does not mean that you should worship the Bible! The Bible is a reference we use to explain exactly who Jesus is (the Son, and part of the trinity of God) and the role he plays in our salvation.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Based on all of your commentary, if God is made up of everyone and everything, then reality must also include fantasy and fiction, therefore making reality obsolete.

God is seeing himself....in the present.

God is ALL seeing, ALL knowing, ALL powerful......what he sees is God/Christ......the ever present visible image.

Take away the seer and there can be no appearance.......seer and seen cannot be separated.

God is what is present.....reality.....the one life.


They is no space or time for anything separate......there is no other.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

God is not tied to the evil we see in the present world. Period.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

God is not tied to the evil we see in the present world.

Can you see evil right now?
Use the eyes.....do not turn to thoughts.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Itisnowagain

God is not tied to the evil we see in the present world.

Can you see a world?

Is 'a world' appearing in plain sight?

'World' is a concept.

What is actually present?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

With all that jibberish, you might as well accept the fact that your words are just a concept that mean nothing, and therefore, you are irrelevant. Is that the mindless and nonsensical game you want to play? Fine, but forgive me for ignoring your future jibberish.

a reply to: Deetermined

Are you scared to answer the question:

Can you see a world right now.....with your eyes?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

There is no mindful question coming from you to answer.

a reply to: Deetermined

Originally posted by Deetermined
The Kingdom of God or the Spirit of God isn't instilled into everyone from birth, which is why others never find it. Maybe I got confused because you were using those terms to describe our own spirits finding and connecting with God, but they are separate.

They are not separate…The verse John 14:20 proves it…See Point (A)

Originally posted by Joecroft
Btw - Love how you ignored my other point though…well done…

Originally posted by Deetermined
The question about where spirits reside until everyone is judged at the Great White Throne Judgement? In the Bible there are references to Abraham's Bosom that was divided into Paradise and Sheol. If there was something else I missed, just let me know.

You’re missing a lot…you thought my first post was promoting a religion…when it was clearly against religion…

Originally posted by Joecroft
But Like I said in my other post….Jesus said in Matthew 23:8-9 that there in only 1 true Teacher…which is the Father…which leads to understanding…

Originally posted by Deetermined
That's not what that verse says, so I'll post again for reference...

I wasn’t quoting the exact verse…I was paraphrasing the overall meaning…

For example…

Matthew 23:8
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Where it states for one is your master…It’s talking about the Father…

Originally posted by Deetermined
God/Jesus Christ is the Teacher. (Notice that "One" is capitalized, which is referring to the Father/Son as One.) The one who leads to understanding (for now) is the Holy Spirit (also part of the Trinity of God). The Holy Spirit is currently the teacher and our advocate until Jesus returns.

The Holy Spirit only speaks what it hears…Which means it hears from the Father and then speaks truth…Which means the Father is the Teacher…just like I said…

In regards to “Christ”…maybe you haven’t heard the mystery…

Colossians 1
I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness— 26 the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the Lord’s people. 27 To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Most scholars interpret this “Christ in you” phrase to be about Gods Spirit living in his children.

All these aspects are directly connected to the John 14:20 verse…

Originally posted by Joecroft
Now remember the verse John 14:20 states you will “realize” you are one with God…which means everyone is already one with God in Spirit already…they are just not aware of it until…”that day!” occurs…

Originally posted by Deetermined
Let's go over those verses again too...

John 14:15-21

Not sure why you are going over the verses…

Point (A)

If you “realize something”…that means it was always there/true/present…you just weren’t aware of it prior…

John 14:20
20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

Maybe we're having a complete communication breakdown, but if someone doesn't "realize" it or "find it" (as you have stated yourself already), then they don't have the Holy Spirit, so it proves that they DO have their own spirit that is separate from God's. Even Jesus said that some are children of the devil...

John 8:42-47

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

It doesn't get much plainer than what's been written above.

Once again, maybe you've only been referring to believers of Christ all along, but I got the impression that you were trying to say that all have God/Jesus living inside them from the time they are born, and that's just not the case.

a reply to: Deetermined

Once again, maybe you've only been referring to believers of Christ all along, but I got the impression that you were trying to say that all have God/Jesus living inside them from the time they are born, and that's just not the case.

One has to become like little children to enter the kingdom.

Seems like it is saying that little children are in the kingdom.......and then are clothed with some thing which veils the kingdom.

Little children live in reality....the living god......they know no thing......what appears is all.

Then they are taught to make idols.

a reply to: Joecroft

You’re missing a lot…you thought my first post was promoting a religion…when it was clearly against religion…

I don't understand what you mean by that, unless you're trying to use words from the Bible to promote or justify your own beliefs or "religion" that are contradictory to what the rest of the Bible says about God. I'm not sure why people choose to do that. Why use the Bible as a reference at all if that's the case?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

One has to become like little children to enter the kingdom.

Matthew 11:25

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes.

Matthew 18:4

4 Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.