US Officials are Trying to Work With Ukraine Over US bio Labs

originally posted by: JinMI

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Link

Thoughts?

BTRP has upgraded many laboratories for the Ministry of Health and the State Food Safety and Consumer Protection Service of Ukraine, reaching Biosafety Level 2. In 2019, BTRP constructed two laboratories for the latter, one in Kyiv and one in Odesa.

BSL 2 is not a bio weapons lab.

Every dairy packaging company has one for example, for testing milk.

Are Ukrainians not allowed to have dairy products?

There are more than 200 BSL2s in my average size state alone.

BSL3 is hospital & medical research.

BSL4 is the absolute minimum for the pathogens discussed along with 'bio weapon lab'.

Our 2 such facilities are called BSL4+, because they go WAY beyond BSL4.

Fair enough but the lab in Wuhan also isnt a bio weapons lab....

wuhan is BSL4+, is on the campus of the ccp bioweapons unit, and it's LONG been suspected that ccp was doing bio weapon research at the bsl3 where SARS escaped, and then their newer bsl4 that replaced it where wuhan-19 quickly escaped.

Open secret really, cuz stuff kept escaping both labs.

This is one of the reasons it only took minutes to accurately determine the source of covid, it just happens to be china's ONLY BSL4, which was already strongly suspected to be conducting weapons research.

You just can't hide these things very easily, and everyone that tries to gets caught from all the neighborhood infections.

a reply to: JinMI


BSL3 is hospital and medical research type lab.

These require certification by international groups before actually operating with BSL3 level pathogens, and this is describing an internal 'practice' audit prior to going through the real audit (this is common).

BSL3 also does not indicate a bio weapons lab, stuff is going to constantly be escaping if they try.

Just ask china.

In the U.S. MANY large hospitals and universities have them, plus lab companies, pharma, and various government entities.

Not controversial at all.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

What other countries have done research in that lab in Wuhan?

Excited to see your answer.

Bigger picture - back in 2017:

Russians' DNA taken by foreign agents, Kremlin says


Gene Warfare? Russia's Accusations Of U.S. DNA Gathering Get Raised Eyebrows, Lawsuit Threat

MOSCOW -- Russia has dismissed an attempt by the Pentagon to clear the air following a bout of speculation from senior Russian lawmakers that the West is harvesting the genes of Russians to develop a biological weapon more deadly than the atom bomb.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

It's such a pity I can't see his posts as I have him on ignore...

originally posted by: ThatDamnDuckAgain
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

What other countries have done research in that lab in Wuhan?

Excited to see your answer.

'Conducted' research, or funded research?

Only china 'conducted' research there.

Quite a few 'funded' research there.

Mostly because the planet only has a handful of BSL4s and they were FAR cheaper to hire in china than the other few, but fauxxi & obama appeared to have funded some things there to get around U.S. laws.

No proof yet, but damn solid evidence.

Excited?




NOTE: one of the 4 best and most expensive (100b+) BSL4s on the planet couldn't contain covid.

Now consider those 2m DoD monitoring stations or BSL2s as bio weapon labs in Ukraine.

We KNEW china was conducting bio weapon research in their first BSL3, because they kept leaking stuff every few months, and we found out even in ultra secretive china.

If someone was running a weapons lab in Ukraine, we'd have found out the hard way a LONG time ago.

We knew USSR was doing this in Ukraine long before the wall fell for the same reason.

Leaks.

We found the soviet labs in Ukraine exactly where we thought they'd be after the ussr collapsed.

a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex

Sooo sad.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I'm convinced if i showed you an apple
you'd argue it was an onion
I think you know some stuff,but why spend 20hrs/day running defence for Ukraine?
$?
Fact is youv'e offered nothing but your thoughts
and expect proof of others
and who's "WE"?
indicates your assuming responsibility
As if you are some chosen representative on high moral ground in matters of war.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I'm convinced if i showed you an apple
you'd argue it was an onion
I think you know some stuff,but why spend 20hrs/day running defence for Ukraine?
$?
Fact is youv'e offered nothing but your thoughts
and expect proof of others
and who's "WE"?
indicates your assuming responsibility
As if you are some chosen representative on high moral ground in matters of war.

Not trying to prove anything.

Not possible to prove a negative.

You (collectively) made a claim.

Up to you to prove it.



Nobody can prove it, because it was always a russian propaganda lie to justify killing Ukrainians.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u


I usually have only two feelings and right now none of them are affected by your reply.


Have it your way old timer, but at least be honest.


Right now I'd say you're the most passionate person on this board, deny it all you want.


Your position is so predictable reading your posts have become a formality and the hill you choose to die on a misguided cause.

Or perhaps we never shared the ideal that there is a better way for a better world for our children.


Take care.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

So disprove it then? No comment about China's statement i see, how convenient ...

a reply to: all2human

No, they would argue that it was a Fuji or a Gala etc.

They are semantically correct.

No bio weapon labs. Fact.

There are however level 3 labs and below with US interests involved.

a reply to: Mike27


Not possible to prove a negative.

Up to you to prove the absurd claim.



What china comment?

(What could china possibly have to say on this issue?)

a reply to: JinMI


Any BSL3 or lower doing bio weapons research would have been discovered the hard way long ago.

Go ask china.

Constant leaks from their BSL3 when they tried.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Thus my fork analogy

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

The answer, the USA.

On GoF.

So please.

a reply to: JinMI


www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Furthermore, there are unresolved controversies about the definition of “defensive research” and the quantities of pathogens necessary for benevolent research.

A biowarfare attack would not only cause sickness and death in a large number of victims but would also aim to create fear, panic, and paralyzing uncertainty. Its goal is disruption of social and economic activity, the breakdown of government authority, and the impairment of military responses. 

Sounds familiar^^

In addition, continued research to improve surveillance and the search for improved diagnostic capabilities, therapeutic agents, and effective response plans will further strengthen secondary prevention measures.

Seems to me, what constitutes as a biological weapon is subjective at best.

www.un.org...

Weaponized agent 

Almost any disease-causing organism (such as bacteria, viruses, fungi, prions or rickettsiae) or toxin (poisons derived from animals, plants or microorganisms, or similar substances produced synthetically) can be used in biological weapons. The agents can be enhanced from their natural state to make them more suitable for mass production, storage, and dissemination as weapons. Historical biological weapons programmes have included efforts to produce: aflatoxin; anthrax; botulinum toxin; foot-and-mouth disease; glanders; plague; Q fever; rice blast; ricin; Rocky Mountain spotted fever; smallpox; and tularaemia, among others.

a reply to: TheLead


I can make several nasty things in my garage in my wanted.

That doesn't make my garage a bioweapon lab, since I would never do that.



The claim is 100 secret U.S. bio weapon labs in ukraine.

Means any kind of lab where bio weapons ARE being made, OR a BSL4 capable of safely (sort of) doing so.

Ukraine has neither.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Could you change your username to Washington Willy?

Baghdad Bob is already taken.

Your own Assistant Secretary of State admitted to the existence of the biolabs. Incidentially Victoria Nuland is also responsible for all this in the first place. She helped stage the coup in 2014.

Hiding behind esoteric classifications and official naming conventions is ridiculous. Everyone knows they exist in a pathetic attempt to protect the government in case the exact scenario happening in Ukraine plays out.

No one in their right mind would call a bioweapons lab a bioweapons lab. Even Imperial Japan didn’t.

a reply to: Ohanka

Your own Assistant Secretary of State admitted to the existence of the biolabs.

Ok? Michigan has “bio labs” too.



Doesn’t mean they develop bio weapons.

Any evidence the bio labs in the Ukrainian were anything more than bio testing for the old USSR sites? Had the staff, equipment, facilities to develop, make, and store useable quantities of deployable bio weapons?