Russia prevented biological warfare

originally posted by: Madviking

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: putnam6

LOL, I don't hate Russian people, DID another thread just today admiring the Russian people for protesting. Don't hate you either for that matter, lol it's just this invasion thing and killing innocent people. Didn't like when the US does it or anybody else. Honestly, I believe our leaders decide what they want to do then contrive reasons to give to the public on why their actions were justified.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

FWIW what's that got to do with the Level 2 Biolabs in Ukraine? If you have evidence these are level 4 Bio Labs Im sure NATO and other countries would like to know.

Not if Nato is involved with them.

I just heard a rumor that the biolabs are funded by none other than Ecohealth, the very same "non-profit/non-governmental organization" that Fauci funded and which funded coronivirus research at the Wuhan lab.

The "bio weapon labs"

Or "bio labs"?



NOT the same thing.

EVERYONE knows the latter exist in Ukraine.

Everywhere else too.

originally posted by: Madviking
HAHA, "far right, Russian Trolls, Nazis" etc. Those are just ideological (extremist) talking points meant to demonize any opposition and shut down discussion. I get it, everyone that disagrees with you is a white nationalist, Nazi, Russian, etc. #Staywoke

How do you feel about the Nazi enthusiasts in some of the Ukrainian brigades?

What are your thoughts on many Ukraine far right wingers, many of whom are represented in power after the 2014 Maiden Revolution?

originally posted by: BarbaraTheEnlightened1

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: RussianTroll


No.

Who ever points out russia's obviously absurd lies mkst effectively 'wins'.

Which means you never wins.

Because ONLY russia invaded a peaceful neighbor posing no threat over it's own propaganda lies.



Please tell vlad that nobody believes anyone after identifying them as a serial liar.

Game is already over for russia as a result.




Wanna discuss freedom speech in russia again?

That was funny.

Freedom of speech? Tell that to the vast majority of Western media. ALL Russian media are blocked, most Western resources that have an independent point of view are blocked, Reddit announced yesterday that all Russian sources are being blocked.
And you're talking about freedom of speech???

Thank God, ATS supports freedom of speech. Thanks to the moderators and the owner!

Do you want to introduce absolute censorship with one opinion on our forum as well?

Yes, thank god there are still sites like ATS available to provide a generous platform for the far right, Russian trolls and Nazis. I certainly think ATS would be a lesser place without those characters. I imagine we would be left with boring old conspiracy threads about aliens, time travel, the paranormal and genuine conspiracies instead of the hugely popular political forum it has become.

I think they're hilarious a$$ clowns, you?

I certainly wouldn't invade a country over them.

A few things that stand out in my mind when I hear this news about bio labs or bioweapons labs.

Why would they bomb them? I have 15 years in the Army as recon, first rule of NBC sites is you do not use explosives. Explosives are unpredictable. If you drop a bomb on a bio lab, there is no way to confirm that you have eliminated all traces of the biological agent. Even thermobaric weapons cannot guarantee elimination of biological agents (Nuclear I would give a high probability of elimination). So why would Russia be bombing these sites in his back yard with troops in the area risking a biological exposure that could be spread to Russia very easily.

Second, Russia is the president of the UN security council. If they had all this proof everyone keeps talking about, why didn't Russia and China force a discussion and embarrass the US and NATO to the world. Why didn't they lay out the evidence if it was Ukraine doing the bio labs.

Nothing in that line of reasoning makes sense to me, and every time that map of biolabs overlayed with Russia attack locations I just think of how stupid that would be if it was true.

My Ashkenazi relatives of the pale have never had it easy

This will turn into a holy war and I shall find my way to Israel

a reply to: Madviking

Many? I can count them on one hand ya’ll! There are small groups of crazy whack jobs in every country, right? I should know, I’m an American and we have more than most of the world. Do you think this small group represents the people of Ukraine?

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: RussianTroll

Ok that's funny that the laptop is at least 15 years old. An IBM Thinkpad seriously you think NATO still uses those the company stopped making them in 2005 because no one bought them.

See apparently Russia doesn't know this so they picked the wrong laptop for their disinformation. NATO laptops are sold at auctions after only 5 years of use in other words there is no way this laptop had top secret information on it and most likely was sold at auction after memory wipe. So at least now we know where all outdated laptops go to die apparently it's Russia.

You got to remember this in Ukraine too, you are going by what you would think they use in America or Canada brand new state of the art stuff, not so in a lot of these other Eastern European countries. I dont care if it NATO or not. Hopefully more info will come out but I doubt it ever will

Yeah its funny how old those things are... it could be as young as the early 2010's from what ive sleuthed, but thats even older than the PC im currently using lol and mines old. Closest I got to it was the t500? although its missing the USB port bellow the arrow keys, which might make it even earlier.

Why would Ukraine have a NATO laptop? given Ukraine isnt a part of NATO?.. and those NATO stickers would be the first thing removed if the Laptop was given away or sold. Im assuming given mention of Crimea and Donbass he's trying to say its got info from 2014s Russo-Ukrainian war or something? What would that have to do with anything now?

Honestly dont give to hoots about this thread... Russiantroll is simply that. but seeing that laptop just made me chuckle and face palm.

'Russians find state of the art western computer in Ukraine, Kremlin scientists stumped at technological marvel'

originally posted by: Hypntick
a reply to: RussianTroll

That's probably the saddest asset tag I've ever seen. Even public school systems have better systems than that. Makes me seriously question the validity of it being an actual NATO laptop. It's also the absolute cleanest asset tag I've ever seen in my life.

No bar codes, no serial information, nothing at all on there that is on every single other asset tag I've ever seen in my life. Yep, going to call BS on this one.

Hey guess what you dismissed this IT tag with out doing research

I have searched NATOs site have found a picture with a exactly same looking tag.

In this pdf file you will find page 5 your welcome
awacs.nato.int...

Just incase the pdf file is ever taken down.
files.catbox.moe...

a reply to: amraks

From something in 2016?

a reply to: amraks

If I linked to a WWI article on open cockpit biplane fighters, does that mean the US still uses them as active combat aircraft?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: amraks

From something in 2016?

Whats the year matter it proves they use these IT asset tags, just debunking those who say the labels are fake

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: amraks

If I linked to a WWI article on open cockpit biplane fighters, does that mean the US still uses them as active combat aircraft?

Besides there's a bit of a difference in your comparison.
A older computer might be required to run older software or use of a serial port might be needed to run older hardware.
Sometimes it's better to not fix what is not broken depending on application it's needed for.

a reply to: amraks

It doesn’t prove anything. Just shows Russia produced a tag you think looks like something in an article from 2016.

And when I use the word produced, I literally mean manufactured.

a reply to: amraks

Actually evidence would be the model number and serial number from the computer, who bought the computer, and how the asset was assigned. I am willing to bet the manufacturer of the computer has a online lookup by serial number that would show when the computer was made, installed hardware, and intended market.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: amraks

It doesn’t prove anything. Just shows Russia produced a tag you think looks like something in an article from 2016.

And when I use the word produced, I literally mean manufactured.

So Russia guessed what their asset tags look like? Rightio then 😂

Looks like? It's exactly the same tag except for the numbers are different.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: amraks

Actually evidence would be the model number and serial number from the computer, who bought the computer, and how the asset was assigned. I am willing to bet the manufacturer of the computer has a online lookup by serial number that would show when the computer was made, installed hardware, and intended market.

This has nothing to do with anything but anyway.

It’s called a forgery

They faked a whole Trump dossier.

And you laugh?

Russia is creating their own fake history

Russia’s Supreme Court rules that the USSR did not invade Poland in 1939


khpg.org...

In parallel with its military aggression against Ukraine, the Kremlin has been trying to reinstate the Soviet narrative about the Second World War in which details of the first almost 2 years during which the Soviet Union was Hitler’s ally are blurred, and the collaboration justified.

At a press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on May 10, 2015, Putin defended the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, claiming that the Soviet Union was being left to face Hitler’s Germany by itself. Russia’s culture minister Vladimir Medinsky called the pact a "colossal achievement of Stalin’s diplomacy."

Then on September 20, 2015, Russia’s ambassador to Venezuela Vladimir Zayemsky claimed that the Soviet Union did not invade Poland on Sept 17, 1939 and that it was in fact Poland, not the USSR, that collaborated with Nazi Germany. He wrote that “the alleged invasion by Soviet forces of Poland in 1939 is a lie” and went on to claim that although Poland was the first victim of WWII, it tried to be “Hitler’s faithful ally” in the period before the War. “It was Warsaw’s pro-fascist stand which made a treaty of cooperation between the USSR, Czechoslovakia and France impossible”, he alleged. The same offensive attempts to rewrite history were presented by Russia’s ambassador to Poland Sergey Andreyev a few days later, speaking on Polish television.

Andreyev claimed that the Soviet invasion on September 17 had not been an act of aggression, but a defensive act to ensure the security of the USSR.

This is exactly the narrative that the Kremlin has been pushing to try to justify Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea.

What do you expect from Putin being old KGB?

a reply to: amraks

You

This has nothing to do with anything but anyway.

The real information that would be the toughest to forge and would validate who the computer belongs to has nothing to do with it?

With Russia in the UN Security Council, and could use the laptop to start a real investigation through the UN? And trace it’s actual ownership?

originally posted by: neutronflux
It’s called a forgery

They faked a while Trump dossier.

And you laugh?

Russia is creating their own fake history

Russia’s Supreme Court rules that the USSR did not invade Poland in 1939


khpg.org...

In parallel with its military aggression against Ukraine, the Kremlin has been trying to reinstate the Soviet narrative about the Second World War in which details of the first almost 2 years during which the Soviet Union was Hitler’s ally are blurred, and the collaboration justified.

At a press conference with German Chancellor Angela Merkel on May 10, 2015, Putin defended the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, claiming that the Soviet Union was being left to face Hitler’s Germany by itself. Russia’s culture minister Vladimir Medinsky called the pact a "colossal achievement of Stalin’s diplomacy."

Then on September 20, 2015, Russia’s ambassador to Venezuela Vladimir Zayemsky claimed that the Soviet Union did not invade Poland on Sept 17, 1939 and that it was in fact Poland, not the USSR, that collaborated with Nazi Germany. He wrote that “the alleged invasion by Soviet forces of Poland in 1939 is a lie” and went on to claim that although Poland was the first victim of WWII, it tried to be “Hitler’s faithful ally” in the period before the War. “It was Warsaw’s pro-fascist stand which made a treaty of cooperation between the USSR, Czechoslovakia and France impossible”, he alleged. The same offensive attempts to rewrite history were presented by Russia’s ambassador to Poland Sergey Andreyev a few days later, speaking on Polish television.

Andreyev claimed that the Soviet invasion on September 17 had not been an act of aggression, but a defensive act to ensure the security of the USSR.

This is exactly the narrative that the Kremlin has been pushing to try to justify Russia’s invasion and annexation of Crimea.

What do you expect from Putin being old KGB?

Do you think Ukraine is a good guy ?

a reply to: amraks

And the computer might be real, still doesn’t mean Russia isn’t lying about what’s on it.

I think the civilians of the Ukrainian have the right not to be cannon fodder for Putin’s illegal and unprovoked attack that is now targeting civilians and civilian targets.

Thousands of them are trapped in basements, with dwindling supplies of food and water, sheltering from an apparently senseless attack on a town Lubinets says has no military defenders in its centre. The line of contact is 20km away, he says.

www.theguardian.com...

And if Russia had real evidence of the US not abiding by international laws concerning biological weapons, Russia would have utilized the UN for maximum embarrassment.