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Bipartisan bill banning Russian oil sets up clash with White House

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posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 06:46 PM
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Strange isn’t it. Then all these folks criticizing this are on Biden's side in this case. Of course, they won’t easily mention that.

How long will that last? The two radical wings of each party don’t seem to be for this

It’s a lesson in that



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: Spacespider
Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.


FWIW Im not concerned about going green because of gas prices, Im concerned about going green as in glowing nuclear fluorescent green if we push Putin too hard and he goes rogue. Biden said sanctions could take months it's been barely 10 days, pulling Russian oil imports is eerily what was the final impetus for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

Sanctions are fine if everybody understands they could fail and force Putin's hand to do something incredibly stupid.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 06:56 PM
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This does present a dilemma to the green advocates. On one hand, they want to punish Russia but on the other hand, if they do it this way it may interfere with their agenda. And the right-wingers are delighted Biden may be hurt by this so they're against it so oil and gas goes up and he gets blamed

Politics makes strange bedfellows for strange reasons.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Spacespider
Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.


FWIW Im not concerned about going green because of gas prices, Im concerned about going green as in glowing nuclear fluorescent green if we push Putin too hard and he goes rogue. Biden said sanctions could take months it's been barely 10 days, pulling Russian oil imports is eerily what was the final impetus for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

Sanctions are fine if everybody understands they could fail and force Putin's hand to do something incredibly stupid.





Your right. Indeed, that was the main thing that got the Japanese to start WWII.

But can we let Putin blackmail us?

Things aren't always easy to figure out.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Ah , Do You Know Most Electricity in the U.S. is Created by Fossil Fuels ? Without them , We ARE a 3RD World Country .



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:08 PM
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Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ? Time to go green.


Apparently the delusional green ideology is both the Problem and the Solution ...

Green delusions empowered Putin


These countries are in the grips of a delusional green ideology that makes them incapable of understanding the hard realities of energy production.




edit on 5-3-2022 by AttitudeProblem because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:13 PM
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What isn't being talked about is that Russia will no longer be accepting $USD as payment for the 640,000 barrels of oil that the US buys from them daily. I'm guessing that would be the main reason for this.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:19 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen



So sure let's go full Green now and go full blown $12 a gallon for gas as governments create Citizen bankruptcies en mass !!

Thus bringing the US to a full stop , which is the globalist plan .



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: AttitudeProblem



Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ? Time to go green.


Apparently the delusional green ideology is both the Problem and the Solution ...

Green delusions empowered Putin


These countries are in the grips of a delusional green ideology that makes them incapable of understanding the hard realities of energy production.





^^^ NAILED IT.

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How is it possible that European countries, Germany especially, allowed themselves to become so dependent on an authoritarian country over the 30 years since the end of the Cold War?

Here’s how: These countries are in the grips of a delusional ideology that makes them incapable of understanding the hard realities of energy production. Green ideology insists we don’t need nuclear and that we don’t need fracking. It insists that it’s just a matter of will and money to switch to all-renewables—and fast. It insists that we need “degrowth” of the economy, and that we face looming human “extinction.” (I would know. I myself was once a true believer.)


I submit that the Green religion is not about climate change: it is a metamorphic policy instrument that can be bent and molded to provide a justification for convincing people to do what you want them to, ....and feel good about doing it

Want your citizens eating less meat? Tell them it's GREEN
Want your demographics shifted to large urban areas in lieu of suburbs/rural areas? Tell them it's GREEN
Want to emphasize socialist economic policies? Tell them it's GREEN

With it's seeming ability to be applicable to every single facet of society (even things seemingly unrelated to climate or energy), and it's ability to attract massive sums of investment (make people throw money at it), how can it not be considered a new religion?



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: dandandat2

Great, and the cost of doing all that was $___,___.__ ?
I doubt many can afford to do all those things within 1 week!



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

Refusing to halt Russian oil, in the middle of thier invasion ?!?


Sounds like Russian Collusion to me !



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: Spacespider

The problem is that green is a lie, is nothing green in green and is nothing free either, is never going to be a free and clean energy where the people get the free part of it, is always going to be some greedy bastard at the other end to reap the benefits of what it should be free.

Green is a hoax.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

Agreed marg6043! I really doubt the US power grid could supply enough electricity if everyone switched from gas to electric vehicles. Then there would be the issue of obtaining enough lithium for batteries, and then disposal of all the spent batteries. Could end up being a green environmental disaster



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:51 PM
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a reply to: GlobalGold

When people get to understand that is nothing free in free energy they will get it, in countries like ours where capitalism is synonymous of greed and dirty acts, nothing is going to be made to benefit the consumer.

Remember Tesla.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: GlobalGold
a reply to: dandandat2

Great, and the cost of doing all that was $___,___.__ ?
I doubt many can afford to do all those things within 1 week!


I really don't put a price on helping people from being killed in war. Human life is priceless.

But you are right; people do have different means to contribute to the cause. Luckily there are free alternatives to gass vehicles (walk) and oil burners (huddle together) and solutions at many other different price points.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: peaceinoutz

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Spacespider
Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.


FWIW Im not concerned about going green because of gas prices, Im concerned about going green as in glowing nuclear fluorescent green if we push Putin too hard and he goes rogue. Biden said sanctions could take months it's been barely 10 days, pulling Russian oil imports is eerily what was the final impetus for Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.

Sanctions are fine if everybody understands they could fail and force Putin's hand to do something incredibly stupid.





Your right. Indeed, that was the main thing that got the Japanese to start WWII.

But can we let Putin blackmail us?

Things aren't always easy to figure out.


I just think here is where patience will pay off, his foundation has been rocked let's give it time for something to happen internally in Russia.

Not to get all cliche but




posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

I am pretty sure we will feel the pain with or without Russian oil... maybe it's time for Biden to reverse course and reopen the taps in America



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 08:33 PM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

Why on Earth would I be against it? By buying Russian oil we are effectively funding the war in the Ukraine. Of course I want to stop that. Why bother putting economic sanctions on Russia if we are just going to buy 206,000 barrels per day of Russian oil? Doesn't that seem counter-productive to the sanctions?

We could open the XL pipeline, end the restrictions on US oil, shale, and gas, and stop buying Russian oil altogether. We can also buy oil from Canada, who is offering to sell it to us, but biden won't do that. He has debts to pay in Russia...

We have more than enough oil for our own needs right here in the US if we are allowed to get it. Gas prices could be back to pre-biden admin in a very short time if the restrictions were lifted and the XL pipeline was approved. That would create jobs, reduce the strain of inflation on middle class families, and slow or stop the rapid rise in consumer prices - so don't expect biden to do it. That would actually help this country and we all know biden wants no part in that...



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

I bet only 2 out of 10 Congressmen know what the approximate price of gas is.



posted on Mar, 5 2022 @ 08:40 PM
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This is a pretty funny thread. 61% of our imported oil comes from Canada, with between 3-4% coming from Russia. Gas prices began to soar as soon as Russia parked on Ukraine's border.

The pandemic drastically increased those living at or below the poverty level and over 46 million immigrants entering the country (both legal and illegal/'undocumented') in 2021.

Prices have been a runaway train since the 'pandemic' started and they're never coming down again. There will always be another crisis to use as an excuse to keep jacking them up.

Sanctioning Russian oil help the Ukrainian citizens, or effect Putin in any way. China already promised to buy the Russian oil; win-win for two of our 'enemies'.

Every single thing you buy is dependent on oil; either in its manufacture or delivery. More people are going to be forced into poverty by using Russian as an excuse to raise prices.

The 1% will be fine. None of the politicians will feel the pinch; they've grown their portfolios immensely, thanks to covid and their good fortune to invest in the right stocks.

There is nothing any citizen can do to stop what's happening between Russia and Ukraine, short of going over there and joining the fight. All sanctions will do is take food out of kids' mouths, and maybe the roof over their head.




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