Bipartisan bill banning Russian oil sets up clash with White House

A growing bipartisan group of lawmakers released legislation on Thursday that would block imports of Russian oil despite President Joe Biden’s opposition to cutting off the shipments, setting up a potential standoff over how to ratchet up punishments against Moscow for its war on Ukraine.
Lead co-sponsors Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who chairs the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said they would take the blame for a jump in gasoline prices that would likely follow a move to restrict supply from Russia, one of the world’s top energy producers.
“If there was a poll being taken and they said, ‘Joe, would you pay 10 cents more per gallon to support the people of Ukraine and stop the support of Russia?’ I would gladly pay 10 cents more per gallon,” Manchin said at a press conference.

So, what do you folks think of this? I would imagine most here are against this bi-partisan Senate move to restrict America from buying Russian oil.

Or maybe not. Where would we get the oil to replace Russian oil? And I just picked up my new car today!

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Manchin knocked the White House for opposing the halt on imports of Russian oil based on fears it would further raise pump prices. Crude oil prices touched their highest level since 2008 early on Thursday, and the average retail gasoline price jumped 7 cents overnight to $3.73 a gallon, up $1 from a year ago.
“They are so wrong,” Manchin said, calling White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki “irresponsible” for reiterating that the White House doesn’t back a ban on Russian oil.
At Thursday’s White House briefing, Psaki told reporters that “we don’t have a strategic interest in reducing the global supply of energy, and that would raise prices at the gas pump for the American people.”
Despite the continued White House resistance to a U.S. oil embargo, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said this morning that she backs the growing push to ban Russian oil.

Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.

It's really Europe that relies heavily on Russian oil, much more than the US.

Europe relies much more heavily on Russia’s supply, purchasing more than 2.5 million barrels per day, or about half the country’s exports. The EU also gets nearly 40 percent of its gas from Russia. It is not considering stopping those shipments.

“It needs to be reinforced that our legislation is not a global ban on Russian oil and gas,” Murkowski said.

Still, the tightening financial sanctions on Moscow were taking their toll on Russian oil shipments, with traders around the globe declining to take delivery. Prices for at least one type of Russian oil were quoted at $27 a barrel below prevailing crude oil prices.

“The market is shrinking,” Manchin added. “There are very few people buying Russian production. We are not disrupting the world distribution.”

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The problem is where are the alternatives for Europe to go to?


This can break Russia.


Putin may have basically ruined his country economically.

A wounded beast can be dangerous.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz

A growing bipartisan group of lawmakers released legislation on Thursday that would block imports of Russian oil despite President Joe Biden’s opposition to cutting off the shipments, setting up a potential standoff over how to ratchet up punishments against Moscow for its war on Ukraine.
Lead co-sponsors Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), who chairs the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said they would take the blame for a jump in gasoline prices that would likely follow a move to restrict supply from Russia, one of the world’s top energy producers.
“If there was a poll being taken and they said, ‘Joe, would you pay 10 cents more per gallon to support the people of Ukraine and stop the support of Russia?’ I would gladly pay 10 cents more per gallon,” Manchin said at a press conference.

So, what do you folks think of this? I would imagine most here are against this bi-partisan Senate move to restrict America from buying Russian oil.

Or maybe not. Where would we get the oil to replace Russian oil? And I just picked up my new car today!

It was called the Keystone Pipeline

Biden inexplicably killed it.

Mr Biden's decision came over the objections of US lawmakers, including members of his own party, who said the project would have created energy sector and construction jobs for American workers.

Well, inexplicably if you assume that Biden is operating as POTUS in good faith, to benefit the American economy.

So Biden doesn't want to sanction Russian oil. I see.

Remember when presidents were hounded incessantly for being "Russian pawns"?

I honestly, no sarcasm or cynicism, would love to hear a reasoned explanation for just WTF Biden is doing in regards to our energy policy.

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Manchin knocked the White House for opposing the halt on imports of Russian oil based on fears it would further raise pump prices. Crude oil prices touched their highest level since 2008 early on Thursday, and the average retail gasoline price jumped 7 cents overnight to $3.73 a gallon, up $1 from a year ago.
“They are so wrong,” Manchin said, calling White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki “irresponsible” for reiterating that the White House doesn’t back a ban on Russian oil.
At Thursday’s White House briefing, Psaki told reporters that “we don’t have a strategic interest in reducing the global supply of energy, and that would raise prices at the gas pump for the American people.”
Despite the continued White House resistance to a U.S. oil embargo, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said this morning that she backs the growing push to ban Russian oil.

originally posted by: Spacespider
Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.

Agreed; since the start of the war last week I have switched out all of my family vehicles to fully electric and replaced the oil burner in my house with solar panels. More Americans need to do this in order to bring a quick end to the conflict in Ukraine.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

So, what are you saying? He should support this or he shouldn't?

originally posted by: Spacespider
Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.

Why ?
I only go "green" on St. Patrick's Day .

originally posted by: dandandat2

originally posted by: Spacespider
Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.

Agreed; since the start of the war last week I have switched out all of my family vehicles to fully electric and replaced the oil burner in my house with solar panels. More Americans need to do this in order to bring a quick end to the conflict in Ukraine.

I commend you. That's a great sacrifice!

a reply to: peaceinoutz

"The problem is where are the alternatives for Europe to go to?"
If they can maybe survive for the next 100 years or so , there may be an alternative .

a reply to: dandandat2

That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard today.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz
a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

So, what are you saying? He should support this or he shouldn't?

I'm saying it doesn't matter what he does or doesn't support.

His policy positions are made up in back rooms and handed to him to recite.

His monumentally stupid axing of the Keystone Pipeline demonstrates how his actions turn out.

I have said from the start that it was odd that the Russian energy exports weren't touched to begin with, meanwhile every possible measure of inflicting pain on the Russian common person is being put in place.

I am in favor of smart sanctions that punish the Russian leadership, not the citizens.

I would be very very careful of turning of the Russian oil tap cold turkey. How much are you willing to pay for gas before you start biking or busing.

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

That is how sanctions have always gone. 1 million Iraqi children they estimate might have been affected or even died due to American sanctions. Not a nice world.

One thing leads to another. A horrible aggressive war started by Putin leads to terrible ramifications for many innocent people.

Years ago when I was a kid some guy asked me. Do you think there's justice in this world?


I said no then, and I double down on no now.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Hmm.

So you're ok with Russian athletes that have no connection to Putin or the Russian military,

- having sponsorships yanked
- banned from international competitions
- deny them the ability to travel on some commercial flights

Do we do these things to North Korean, say Olympic athletes? What about China, do you crack down on their citizens for what Xi does?

We are crossing the Rubicon here with some of these "restrictions"

a reply to: peaceinoutz

The resistance argument is totally insane. Biden promised to not do anything that would promote oil & gas - that was part of his progressive-pressured campaign commitments. This is not a question of promoting oil & gas. There is XXX million barrels a day of oil being consumed - WE'RE CONSUMING THEM. 50 million of that a day is from Russia. When you stop getting it from Russia, there is still XXX million gallons a day being consumed - BY US. This doesn't promote fossil fuel use, it doesn't incentivise fossil fuel use. It just moves 50 million barrels of fossil fuel used each day from bucket one (bucket one being the invading force in Ukraine) to bucket two (bucket two isn't invading Ukraine!). You can't flip a f***ing switch and make all the 50 million barrels of Russian oil-fueled power turn into solar and wind-powered power. People need to get a clue.

a reply to: Spacespider

Green doesnt work in Alaska.

Jebus even Musk is saying we need to drill and increase production and stop buying their oil.

ETA: IF people are serious about impacting Russian ability to make war, stop buying the oil even if it makes things harder in the short term.

THEN start removing the handicaps the idiots in the WH have put on the energy sector and lets get back to producing.

originally posted by: peaceinoutz

originally posted by: dandandat2

originally posted by: Spacespider
Get on the train Americans, you want to pay for the Russia army while supporting Ukraine ?
Time to go green.

Agreed; since the start of the war last week I have switched out all of my family vehicles to fully electric and replaced the oil burner in my house with solar panels. More Americans need to do this in order to bring a quick end to the conflict in Ukraine.

I commend you. That's a great sacrifice!

It gets a little cold at night with out the oil burner; but the solar panels kick in a little after sun rise so its not that bad.

a reply to: peaceinoutz

Ah , " ELEPHANT In the Room " , Since When has the United States Of America been DEPENDENT on Russian , Iranian , Saudi , or Venezuelan Oil for it's Domestic Oil Needs ? Oh , I Know , Since " China Joe " Stole his Way Into the White House ? I Just Hope All you Trump Haters Out there are Happy with your Prior Idiocy . You Deserved it ..........

a reply to: SleeperHasAwakened

Some people say that necessary since Putin can be affected by that.
Sometimes awful is done to meet awful
I’ll say only, I’m glad I don’t make these decisions.

One also has to think about the children in Ukraine too.

It’s not easy

We so cavalierly judge.

Personally, I try to live by compassion and empathy. Don’t always remotely live up to that, but I try.

Drill-Pump-Refine in North America !!!!!

It was easily done before.

WHY all of a sudden is it so difficult ???? 🤣🤣

The Greens licking their chops as prices soar !!

So sure let's go full Green now and go full blown $12 a gallon for gas as governments create Citizen bankruptcies en mass !!

And what's to prevent similar political manipulations with Green energy too ?? SUCKERS 🤣🤣