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Visa, Mastercard suspend all operations in Russia, 'effective immediately'

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posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 09:58 PM
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a reply to: bufaloeletric


No.

Because civilized people all over the world recognize the evil in putin, and the evil in putin's actions.

WE are pushing our governments to do MORE, not the other way around.





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posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u You pretty much cement it when you talk about how brave you are from your keyboard, "shaking in your boots" and all. I'll tell you what, if you disagree with Putin so much, why don't you head on over there and fight for Biden and Pelosi's right to get a piece of that sweet, natural gas pie.



posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: bufaloeletric

The macro of your post is flawed. It's written with assumptions about my views, mainly that I'd have a lean right vs left that I feel some sort of allegiance to... I don't. Or that I buy into American exceptionalism, which I've been critical of since long before this conflict.

I'd give you a pass for being new, but vets here do it as well, so it's not uncommon. No harm no foul.

I try to look at this like I try to look at most things. I try to remove emotion and look at things skeptically. I attempt to do the best with the information I have.

I'm not absolving the west from some part in escalation. I wouldn't say we're the "good guys", hell, ideally we shouldn't be relevant in this conversation.

But if the Russians are just in their actions, why are the Ukrainians resisting the Russians so hard? Why are the ones fleeing primarily going to Europe and not to the liberators east?

And lastly, I'll humor your loaded statement implying I supported shelling the Ukrainians did in the east. I'm sure some of that hit soft targets that weren't enemy combatants. I'd humor allegations there were some actors who did that intentionally. And if that is/was the case, I'd detest it. But let's not act like the Ukrainians just suddenly started shelling the east our of nowhere. The Russians took Crimea and directly or by proxy stirred conflict for a land bridge connecting Russia and Crimea. Contextually, there's going to horrific stories come out of a country with such events.

I don't think Ukraine is some poster child of what an ideal country looks like. They're not immune to critisim or always righteous. No one is. But they are a country that appears to be fighting off a stronger invader. Generally it's easy to feel sympathy for a home field underdog no?



posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 10:11 PM
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originally posted by: bufaloeletric
a reply to: PatriotGames4u You pretty much cement it when you talk about how brave you are from your keyboard, "shaking in your boots" and all. I'll tell you what, if you disagree with Putin so much, why don't you head on over there and fight for Biden and Pelosi's right to get a piece of that sweet, natural gas pie.




You made threats on behalf of russia.

I'm STILL shaking in my boots.

Keyboard or not.




I dislike pelosi and biden even more than you do, and I'll do my best to put them in prison if they try that again, but that DOES NOT in any way justify russia invading Ukraine.


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posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

"But if the Russians are just in their actions, why are the Ukrainians resisting the Russians so hard? Why are the ones fleeing primarily going to Europe and not to the liberators east?"

You say you try to work with the information you have on hand, but the problem with that is you have the freedom to choose what information you will accept. MSM, as of an hour ago, was reporting about 400 Ukrainian citizens dead. I wouldn't call that much evidence of Ukrainians resisting the Russians so hard. It's the military's job to resist, not a choice they get to make. If the Ukraine citizens so disapproved of Russia and believed in the hype that Zelensky was feeding them, I would guess a lot more than 400 would be dead. As for the brief essay you gave on Crimea at the end of your statement, it has been the Donetsk and Luhansk regions that I were referring to in being shelled. You might want to expand on your understanding of the area and actual situation, like most of the U.S. pom pom wavers here, before actually weighing out your information and forming an opinion. Look into the Russo-Ukranian war. This has been ongoing for years, Putin has been voicing his grievances for years, and no one has paid attention for years, until now, when it's suddenly the hottest thing on the block.

The east is a warzone. Refugees generally do not flee into warzones, they flee away from them.

edit on 7-3-2022 by bufaloeletric because: why aren't people running toward russia



posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 10:34 PM
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Until russia bombed those civilians while trying to flee.

After promising the planet that russia would not attack those same civilians while trying to flee.

Mariupol anyone?




posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 10:49 PM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Says the MSM. You forgot to include the part where there was an agreed upon cease-fire that the Ukrainian military broke at the time. Do you really believe that the Russians would intentionally be bombing the refugees as to give Zelensky a reason to say "told you so" and to bolster the western propaganda? LMAO, if Russian was really having as much trouble with their invasion as some would have you think, it would seem that the Russians would be personally escorting every Ukrainian citizen out of the country that were willing to leave so that they could have it all for themselves. What's really funny, since you enjoy laughing so much, is that Zelensky enabled the draft to get the citizens to fight for the great cause. Much like the U.S. enabled the draft so that they could send some fresh pieces of meat to an unpopular war in Vietnam.



posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: bufaloeletric
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Says the MSM. You forgot to include the part where there was an agreed upon cease-fire that the Ukrainian military broke at the time. Do you really believe that the Russians would intentionally be bombing the refugees as to give Zelensky a reason to say "told you so" and to bolster the western propaganda? LMAO, if Russian was really having as much trouble with their invasion as some would have you think, it would seem that the Russians would be personally escorting every Ukrainian citizen out of the country that were willing to leave so that they could have it all for themselves. What's really funny, since you enjoy laughing so much, is that Zelensky enabled the draft to get the citizens to fight for the great cause. Much like the U.S. enabled the draft so that they could send some fresh pieces of meat to an unpopular war in Vietnam.



I don't care who broke what where.

RUSSIA intentionally bombed civilians trying to flee after 24 hours earlier promising the planet that they would not bomb those exact same civilians.

You think any civilians are gonna try to flee after that?




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posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 11:04 PM
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As for the brief essay you gave on Crimea at the end of your statement, it has been the Donetsk and Luhansk regions that I were referring to in being shelled. You might want to expand on your understanding of the area and actual situation, like most of the U.S. pom pom wavers here, before actually weighing out your information and forming an opinion.


I assume you're referring to -


And lastly, I'll humor your loaded statement implying I supported shelling the Ukrainians did in the east. I'm sure some of that hit soft targets that weren't enemy combatants. I'd humor allegations there were some actors who did that intentionally. And if that is/was the case, I'd detest it. But let's not act like the Ukrainians just suddenly started shelling the east our of nowhere. The Russians took Crimea and directly or by proxy stirred conflict for a land bridge connecting Russia and Crimea. Contextually, there's going to horrific stories come out of a country with such events.

bufaloeletric


You might want to expand on your understanding of the area and actual situation, like most of the U.S. pom pom wavers here, before actually weighing out your information and forming an opinion.


My opinion is shared by many. It's not my fight. NATO expansion went to far. And common day Mccarthyism is a blight on my country, has been for almost a decade.

The Ukrainians are a sovereign country though. If they don't want Russia there, that's their choice. Maybe the west made mistakes by trying too much to serenade such a large country next to Russia. The question is was Ukraine wanting it, or was the west forcing it? Is it a question how Russia is projecting their influence right now? I'd have to imagine those two are different, no? Is it so crazy to think Ukraine may have wanted to associate more with western Europe? Maybe Russia helped liberate much of them from Hitler and fascism, but the ones under the umbrella of the USSR didn't necessarily thrive.
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posted on Mar, 7 2022 @ 11:13 PM
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theconversation.com...

Is it no surprise that eastern Ukraine is slightly more pro-western as the article freely admits that over one-million have been displaced, and 75,000 have fled to Russia? Hmmm, it's almost like the region is being cleansed. What's the other couple words that people like to use for that type of event, or perhaps the word for the perpetrators of such actions?



posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: dontneedaname
For an average Russian vacation of 1-2 weeks? Won't require that much cash per se. If they can pay for certain things with UnionPay (if not MIR)...that cuts the expense money down even further.


Carrying large sums of cash is neither convenient nor smart. Additionally there still has been no update on the CUP mandatory Chinese bank account requirement so a CUP or Mir card is not going to be helpful at this point.



posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: bufaloeletric


It's what happens when a neighbor violently invades.

Don't like it?

Ask russia to stop with the invading.




posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: ancientlight
Watch their stock plummet and them change their minds too late


Looks like both Visa and MC are only a couple percent off of their Friday closes and currently trending up.



posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 12:17 PM
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Interesting use of cancel culture.




posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


russian invasion supporters are STILL convinced that russia's economic connections to the civilized world were important to anyone except russia, other than as a gas station of course.

We need a better education system asap.

This one is beyond useless.




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posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 01:39 PM
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China Can’t Save Russia from an Economic Crisis | Ukraine Invasion Blowback







China won't risk its own economy for Russia.



posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 06:24 PM
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originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: putnam6

These sanctions will likely hurt Europe more than Russia. It might Russians for a while.



Doesn't matter even a little bit, even IF true.



Not paying attention?

U.S. and Europe are completely ready and able to take whatever russia can throw at us economically.

We will survive fairly comfortably.

russia won't survive at all.



I think you're seriously underestimating Russian resilience, and overestimating that of, for example, Europe.
People are seriously struggling already, utilities and combustible prices are going through the roof.
In less than aweek, an 80% refill of 1000 liters for my truck went up 200€. I had to pay 1700€.
Electricity in Spain is now at a record high of 700€/kwh.
Soon, all prices will skyrocket to recover the increasing costs of production and transport, but not before many smaller transport companies have had to shut down already.
We're well on our way to a ery dark future..
Russia is more important to Europe than Europe to Russia. Also they have always been reasonably isolated, and still have China.



posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
Interesting use of cancel card declined culture.



We've moved into bold new territory.




posted on Mar, 8 2022 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: Rolicia


And you haven't been paying attention.

Perhaps study the subject and get back to us.




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