Visa, Mastercard suspend all operations in Russia, 'effective immediately'

I wish Visa and Mastercard would suspend all use of the cards here in the USA. Everyone owing on them could tell them to screw off when they come back on....they would have learned Cash is better than charging things. The thing with cash is that if you don't have it, you cannot spend it on things you cannot afford...you learn to make sure what youre buying is necessary.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I wish Visa and Mastercard would suspend all use of the cards here in the USA. Everyone owing on them could tell them to screw off when they come back on....they would have learned Cash is better than charging things. The thing with cash is that if you don't have it, you cannot spend it on things you cannot afford...you learn to make sure what youre buying is necessary.

Or maybe make all card limits equal to one month's income?

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: rickymouse
I wish Visa and Mastercard would suspend all use of the cards here in the USA. Everyone owing on them could tell them to screw off when they come back on....they would have learned Cash is better than charging things. The thing with cash is that if you don't have it, you cannot spend it on things you cannot afford...you learn to make sure what youre buying is necessary.

Or maybe make all card limits equal to one month's income?

I used to have a discover card that had to be paid off every single month. I did not mind that, I only missed my payment by one week one time, I had misplaced the bill and had to pay a fifteen dollar penalty.

a reply to: rickymouse


I used Amex the same way for decades, especially when I travelled a lot for work.

20-30k monthly bills weren't at all uncommon when traveling.

(Employer paid the bill through expense reports)



I also bought a brand new 60k car on Amex the day after an accident years ago, so I wouldn't have to wait for insurance and stock sale proceeds, then paid off Amex with the next bill.



I don't have any kind of problem with credit cards, they can provide an enormous advantage for most Americans.

The problem IMO, is that the limits are now so high that folks use them instead of lower cost financing options or cash and then get trapped under the impossible weight of that debt.

Keep the limits low enough that this doesn't happen and I don't have any problem with credit cards at all. In fact I'd be something of a cheerleader for them.

But that's just me.



In the last decade, I only use a debit card and a Chase Amazon card with a generous cash back scheme, and I usually completely pay it off online before the bill even prints.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I know lots of people who spent too much on credit cards and are strapped in debt. Some of them did finally paid them off and quit using them. They do come in handy in an emergency I suppose, that is why I have one and the wife has a couple, but we pay them off every month.

originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Ksihkehe

All the soycucks that are itching to run to defend Ukraine were incredibly silent when a horse trampled a native woman in Canada.

I'm not aware of the second story... But even without context I'm going to go out on a limb and say the scale of the two are a bit different.

Yes, much different.

Putin has said he is targeting corrupt government actors and neonazis. There is also very scant evidence of this "invasion" being the kind of offensive typically associated with a brutal coup. All evidence points to Russia taking steps to reduce harm. All the things that baffle the military experts aren't all that baffling if you ignore MSM and western propaganda, ignore a lifetime of xenophobia. It makes perfect sense if Putin is being honest about his intentions, which western media deems impossible.

Trudeau was targeting citizens that disagreed with him and the woman being trampled is on video, unlike the various imaginary war crimes in Ukraine that seem to be as evasive as bigfoot.

There is no version of objective reality where western governments have any kind of moral high ground. If a fraction of what Putin says is true then everybody in the west should feel ashamed for what they've tolerated from their governments, they should be anyway for what they've allowed themselves to be subject to.

I'm not at all surprised by many of the armchair patriots suddenly siding with the same media and government that's been lying to them for years, but I admit to some shock that you seem to be falling for it. It's gross that the same politicians calling our elections manipulated, on both sides of the aisles, are claiming Ukraine is some kind of democratic unicorn country. The US installed that government and it's not even suppressed news. They installed it and, as is the American way, they have ignored atrocities in the name of "democracy".

Putin's leadership (and his proxies) has a very long list of authoritarian actions against protestors/opponents. To even bring up Canada and Trudeau in reference to Putin is silly and even someone as a slimy as Trudeau wouldn't dare do a 3rd of the horrible things Putin has done. If Putin is all about getting rid of corrupt government elements then why does he harbor someone like Viktor Yanukovych? Putin doesn't give a crap about corruption or Nazi's this is about power, influence, and his end goals.

I've never met Putin, nor have I met the various people that claim to know what he thinks.

I prefer to base my opinions on observable reality rather than specious opinions.

Based on observable reality what Putin claims is correct. He isn't steamrolling Ukraine. It's only mysterious if you deny objective reality and adopt the MSM narrative.

There's literally hundreds of fake articles every day about the atrocities Russian soldiers are commiting. Do you not find it odd that the same army they claim is visiting a Holocaust on Ukraine is also being routed by a bunch of citizens with petrol filled water balloons?

Are you all that brain dead that you accept these incompatible narratives? It's not even clever manipulation, it's blatant. They're spinning lies that don't even make sense within their own narrative.

How can you fall for this? These morons are telling you to practice social distancing and masking when you go to the nuclear fallout shelter. Are these the people you should be listening to?

Russia Banks pivot to China for their banking needs.

Source: gettr.com...

Since it's our "can do no wrong" friend China, most Americans don't mind.

a reply to: carewemust


I do.

They're next.



Next year.

We need 61 & 218 first.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

If Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, and Lindsey Graham are in that 61, we need more than 61.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

If Mitch McConnell, Mitt Romney, and Lindsey Graham are in that 61, we need more than 61.

Agreed.

Or extreme leverage.



I actually think we are polling around 62/63 & 270+ right now.

Bloomberg used the word 'wipeout' in his prediction, I see exactly the same thing.

As long as we can avoid any further foot shooting.

originally posted by: dontneedaname
Countries reliant on Russia grains, etc..(Like Egypt) - prob are good to go. Egypt vs Ruble has appreciated close to 50%...but Egypt is a relatively cheap country...so I think While Egypt isn't on the list above...it well could be for 2022.

They could, prior to this war, theoretically go anywhere but their Mir card cannot.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I wish Visa and Mastercard would suspend all use of the cards here in the USA. Everyone owing on them could tell them to screw off when they come back on....they would have learned Cash is better than charging things.

I get rewards for everything I put on my card, also, carrying large sums of cash is tempting fate.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: nancyliedersdeaddog

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Ksihkehe

All the soycucks that are itching to run to defend Ukraine were incredibly silent when a horse trampled a native woman in Canada.

I'm not aware of the second story... But even without context I'm going to go out on a limb and say the scale of the two are a bit different.

Yes, much different.

Putin has said he is targeting corrupt government actors and neonazis. There is also very scant evidence of this "invasion" being the kind of offensive typically associated with a brutal coup. All evidence points to Russia taking steps to reduce harm. All the things that baffle the military experts aren't all that baffling if you ignore MSM and western propaganda, ignore a lifetime of xenophobia. It makes perfect sense if Putin is being honest about his intentions, which western media deems impossible.

Trudeau was targeting citizens that disagreed with him and the woman being trampled is on video, unlike the various imaginary war crimes in Ukraine that seem to be as evasive as bigfoot.

There is no version of objective reality where western governments have any kind of moral high ground. If a fraction of what Putin says is true then everybody in the west should feel ashamed for what they've tolerated from their governments, they should be anyway for what they've allowed themselves to be subject to.

I'm not at all surprised by many of the armchair patriots suddenly siding with the same media and government that's been lying to them for years, but I admit to some shock that you seem to be falling for it. It's gross that the same politicians calling our elections manipulated, on both sides of the aisles, are claiming Ukraine is some kind of democratic unicorn country. The US installed that government and it's not even suppressed news. They installed it and, as is the American way, they have ignored atrocities in the name of "democracy".

Putin's leadership (and his proxies) has a very long list of authoritarian actions against protestors/opponents. To even bring up Canada and Trudeau in reference to Putin is silly and even someone as a slimy as Trudeau wouldn't dare do a 3rd of the horrible things Putin has done. If Putin is all about getting rid of corrupt government elements then why does he harbor someone like Viktor Yanukovych? Putin doesn't give a crap about corruption or Nazi's this is about power, influence, and his end goals.

I've never met Putin, nor have I met the various people that claim to know what he thinks.

I prefer to base my opinions on observable reality rather than specious opinions.

Based on observable reality what Putin claims is correct. He isn't steamrolling Ukraine. It's only mysterious if you deny objective reality and adopt the MSM narrative.

There's literally hundreds of fake articles every day about the atrocities Russian soldiers are commiting. Do you not find it odd that the same army they claim is visiting a Holocaust on Ukraine is also being routed by a bunch of citizens with petrol filled water balloons?

Are you all that brain dead that you accept these incompatible narratives? It's not even clever manipulation, it's blatant. They're spinning lies that don't even make sense within their own narrative.

How can you fall for this? These morons are telling you to practice social distancing and masking when you go to the nuclear fallout shelter. Are these the people you should be listening to?

You don't need to have a personal relationship with Putin to see the invasion of Ukraine has nothing to do with Nazi's/corruption and what his goals are. You don't need to read the MSN to find out the invasion of Ukraine is wrong and Putin is a pretty horrible leader who has done some pretty horrible things. Just because MSN is saying something or many of it's members tend a have a view point doesn't mean what ever they are saying is automatically wrong. When it comes to me reading the MSN's views on this invasion the only time I have really read their work is because of other ats members posting links on this site. You didn't answer my question though if Putin is invading Ukraine because of corruption and cares so much about it why is he protecting Viktor Yanukovych and might even try to put him back in power once he takes over Ukraine?

Can't wait for Visa to start cutting off your cards because your President did something that you have no control over, because that's what you're rooting for.

a reply to: bufaloeletric


Shaking in my boots.

Stop whining, YOU supported putin invading a peaceful neighbor again.

There is no "we" involve when half of "we" is sitting behind a keyboard and typing how brave they are.a reply to: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: rickymouse
I wish Visa and Mastercard would suspend all use of the cards here in the USA. Everyone owing on them could tell them to screw off when they come back on....they would have learned Cash is better than charging things.

I get rewards for everything I put on my card, also, carrying large sums of cash is tempting fate.

Hidden travel wallet....!

That's what I use, but made by many companies.

www.rei.com...

Yes, I know the rewards / miles / points game.

For an average Russian vacation of 1-2 weeks? Won't require that much cash per se. If they can pay for certain things with UnionPay (if not MIR)...that cuts the expense money down even further.

Hell...I did a Round The World trip on OneWorld alliance 20 years ago...with a PAPER TICKET. It had like 30-50 segments, or something like that, I forget. I just kept that ticket in my luggage and was cognizant of my luggage, even at hostels.

Realized I don't even know what a MIR card looks like....

search.brave.com...#

now I do!

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I would guess that the pro-Western installed Ukrainian government were infringing on ethnic Russians when they were installed through a violent uprising in 2014. I bet you had no problem with the new Ukrainian government shelling those parts of it's region that refused to go along with it's politcal invasion. It's strange how governments just seem to naturally topple when they don't fall in line with western democracies. It's also strange that these places seem to contain energy resources like natural gas or oil. Also not ironic at all that western politicians seem to have direct connections to these energy businesses, like the Bush family and oil in the mid-east. Now it's the Biden/Pelosi families involved with natural gas in Ukraine. Nothing to see here, Putin bad.

originally posted by: bufaloeletric
There is no "we" involve when half of "we" is sitting behind a keyboard and typing how brave they are.a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Don't have any idea what your point is.

Perhaps you are upset that so few believe a word putin says about anything?

Even when you loudly repeat putin's absurd words?



Yeah, that's gotta be pretty frustrating eh?

That's pretty funny.

a reply to: TacoLoco75

The masses aren't passive, they're foaming at the mouth to dethrone evil Putin, because that's how their government and corporate oligarchs want them to feel. In class tonight, some dude started raging about how we needed to get rid of Putin. I just sat their in disbelief about how incredibly stupid these people are to allow MSM, the US government, corporations, and the MIC to influence their feelings so easily. All this farce is about is putting money into the pockets of some already rich prick. It's all about who gets to sell the gas laying under the ground in Ukraine. The idiots here, in my post-graduate classes, and elsewhere are just waving pom poms for a Biden, Pelosi, or some other connected person we don't know about to get even more dirty rich than they already are. To be dumb enough to believe that it's about defending the helpless citizens of Ukraine, which the U.S. or actual pro-western Ukrainian government give two dumps about, is quite the feat. Zelensky is actually asking his unarmed citizens to resist a professional army instead of getting them the hell out of dodge. I'm sure him and the U.S. want this, as they can claim war crimes against Russia. Russia has a lot more reasons to be invading Ukraine than the U.S. ever had in invading Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. Yet people here act like the U.S. hasn't been killing the average citizens of these countries or just bombing the # out of their infrastructure for years. It's only when Putin does the same that they start calling for heads on a plate.