Is Neo Nazis a Russian covert operation.. how could we be so blind ?

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Cold, I don't blame you for thinking anything.

Just be sure to check the big picture from time to time to make you're not getting snookered.

My take is this has little to do with globalism per se. This invasion is a doing of the Russian leadership for reasons more Russian than anything.

The reaction of globalist institutions may indicate where they are sensitive, but it tells us nothing of why Putin ordered what he did. Don't rush to embrace him as anything, particularly as a 'friend'. He is friends with no one but himself.

Cheers

a reply to: CriticalStinker
Honestly,I couldn't tell you.
I wouldn't believe that water is wet if MSM told me so.
You can't seriously believe that what the Western media is showing about good old Ukraine is all true?
Also,why not let us see the Russian MSM lies too?
It all stinks to high heaven and I can assure you what ever happens we the little people will be the ones who suffer.
If you can't see that posting Ukrainian propaganda is just like posting Russian propaganda then I can't help you.

a reply to: Spacespider

I read today that many Russians are too fleeing from Russia, they can´t use social networks anymore and very careful what they write as they are being scared to be prisoned for 15 years. Trains from Russian are all full.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Bin Laden was a CIA stooge that became the scapegoat for the worst terrorist attack in US history. You really ought read into the history of his family.

ISIS, you mean Israeli secret intelligence service? The “Islamic state” was recruited by mossad and manufactured/armed by the CIA in order to become a justified reason to send more American troops to places like Syria, Libya, etc.

Seeing as both were effectively contractors of the deep state intelligence web, no I don’t stand with them. And I am also not naive about their creators and their motives.

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: glen200376

I don´t hate russians i know many of them most likely many more than you do, i just can´t tolerate false propaganda Russian goverment is throwing even in here. If there is a lie should it been revealed? I think it should.

Did i offend you ? it was not my intention.

But you tolerate and post Ukrainian propaganda in threads like these.Nanny state has got you good.
Scared if you go against the government line that they will cut off your place at the taxpayers teat?
Socialism in your country has made you weak and dependant.

a reply to: glen200376

At an article or story level, I agree, the MSM is full of BS.

But looking at the macro, the question is who is occupying Ukraine... Go to RT and see what they're saying, maybe it's different verbiage, but the conclusion is just sugar-coated.

I don't think Russia's presence in Ukraine is really being debated.

So do you think Russia is liberating them?

And if you're so against globalism you're willing to inverse everything them and their narrative say, is it possible they still control you because you must play contrarian to whatever they say?

a reply to: glen200376

Did you even read links ? I you had you would know better than this.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Yea, I’ve just never really been convinced of Putin’s inherent nefariousness.

Things that I didn’t like that have been done by Putin include selling arms/tech to Iran & North Korea. But one could also frame that as being his response to the ZOG controlled US military industrial complex engaging in never ending regime change.

Have you had the opportunity to watch the Putin Tapes docuseries on showtime? Not saying it will make you like the guy, but at least it is Putin speaking for himself, instead of the rest of western media speaking for him.

a reply to: dollukka

In a country that lost more people defeating the Nazis than any other country, there are now an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 neo-Nazis, half of the world's total. They even have supporters in parliament.

The United States likely has at least as many people with the nazi mentality. They may not call themselves nazis, but the ideology is often similar. We lost a lot of people fighting the nazis too, yet we certainly have our fair share of them here in the states.

Just because a country has them, doesn't mean they're running said country. And lest we forget, one of our own presidents talked about "spreading democracy". How socialist of him.

ETA: Operation Paperclip

Enjoyed the OP. Thanks for the information and research.

One thing, though: stop calling people who disagree with you Russian ‘bots’ or ‘shills,’ it’s getting tiring and only serves to drive that shim further into the divide. It also takes away your credibility and makes you look childish.

Not to mention, I thought that was against T&C? The number of emotionally reactive dunces I’ve seen just throwing that word at people because of a difference of opinion… it’s just completely ridiculous.

Honestly, though. Stop.

originally posted by: glen200376
a reply to: CriticalStinker
Honestly,I couldn't tell you.
I wouldn't believe that water is wet if MSM told me so.
You can't seriously believe that what the Western media is showing about good old Ukraine is all true?
Also,why not let us see the Russian MSM lies too?
It all stinks to high heaven and I can assure you what ever happens we the little people will be the ones who suffer.
If you can't see that posting Ukrainian propaganda is just like posting Russian propaganda then I can't help you.

Yessir.

This is how I see it too.

We have no f'n clue what is actually going on over there, just the good ole MSM to faithfully report the "news".

I'll take a wait and see WTF is going on here attitude.

a reply to: LetTheColdCome

You mean trolls? I don´t see bots here, just some hard working people.

originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Russian propaganda has been very tiresome here.. When there is a post of different view on issues than russian propagandae, threads are quickly buried by thread spamming by them.. so expect this one to buried soon. I wonder has any other noticed the same.

So now that Russian has closed internet to outside Russia.. does it mean that those Russians here posting are paid for it ? Food for a thought

I noticed the thread spamming, to push it down so people don't read it. It isn't just Russia who does it.

Democrat Party operatives (intelligence agencies) do it too and very quickly.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: glen200376

At an article or story level, I agree, the MSM is full of BS.

But looking at the macro, the question is who is occupying Ukraine... Go to RT and see what they're saying, maybe it's different verbiage, but the conclusion is just sugar-coated.

I don't think Russia's presence in Ukraine is really being debated.

So do you think Russia is liberating them?

And if you're so against globalism you're willing to inverse everything them and their narrative say, is it possible they still control you because you must play contrarian to whatever they say?

Some folks keep their mind closed so tight , nothing new can get in .
Loosen it up .

a reply to: Gothmog

Loosen it up to what?

Saying Russians self interests supercede Ukraine's sovereignty? Don't think I could get there.

I'm not some western shill either. I've always been critical of a vast majority of our foreign policy and think any involvement on this would make it worse.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

I'll concede I used a bad analogy and a good bit of your rebuttal on the ME is true.

But I still don't see Putin as doing anything "good" against the west right now. If your point has to be shown by mercing a whole country, you're going about it the wrong way (a vast majority of the time).

a reply to: dollukka

Russian nazis are mostly located in Donbass area and Luhansk, these areas are now which are invaded. When you read these stories it is baffeling. It is obvious that Putin´s mind is twisted like a corkscrew... Any thoughts?

What is "baffling" about Russia having a problem with neo-Nazis -- especially Russian neo-Nazis -- fighting against Russia on behalf of Ukraine???

Yes, there is a large neo-Nazi presence in Russia -- and eastern Ukraine -- but the neo-Nazis are fighting against Putin and communism and for Social Nationalism. They are not fighting for Putin and Russia.

What's baffling is how this could be a "Russian covert operation"? Is Ukraine so stupid that they call these "covert" operators their own and gave them an official place in their army?

a reply to: Boadicea

Take a moment and read links too.. i´ll leave you with that.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

I've mentioned a couple of times that I wonder why the KGB was so tolerant of neo-Nazi groups in East Germany when the Soviets called the shots there. That was -not- some oversight in the most heavily surveilled state (at that time) in the world. They knew there were still plenty of fascists there, and they ignored it, or used them as useful idiots.

I've been keeping this in mind as I've been poking around after you mentioned this to me before. My best guess is because part of the Nazi doctrine is blind nationalism, and to that extent -- politically and militarily speaking -- it's in Putin's best interests to make the most of anyone and everyone who fights for Russia with that blind nationalism. And it seems that at least some neo-Nazi's in Russia will do so, despite their desire for a change of government.

On the other hand, as the OP links tell us, many Russian neo-Nazis have joined forces with Ukranian neo-Nazis to fight Putin and communism. I would imagine that's gotta be a real punch in the gut to Putin's own nationalism. Putin seems to think he is Russia... kinda like Fauci thinks he is science. He's gotta see that as a huge personal betrayal -- figuratively, if not literally.

To one extent or another, Russia and Ukraine have done exactly the same thing and are happy to have neo-Nazis when the neo-Nazis are doing their will.

a reply to: The2Billies

I noticed the thread spamming, to push it down so people don't read it. It isn't just Russia who does it.

Democrat Party operatives (intelligence agencies) do it too and very quickly.

Um... color me embarrassed for not knowing this... but what is meant by "thread spamming" here? How does that work?