Inside A White Supremacist Militia in Ukraine

a reply to: TheGreazel


10s of thousands have already been arrested in russia for even suggesting that russia should not have invaded Ukraine.

THIS week.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: TheGreazel

The far right groups in Eastern Provinces kept attacking people anyone who wasn't for the protests in 2014.

Seperatists used a BUK delivered by the Russian army and shot down a airliner with 298 people in it.

originally posted by: TheGreazel

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: TheGreazel

The far right groups in Eastern Provinces kept attacking people anyone who wasn't for the protests in 2014.

Seperatists used a BUK delivered by the Russian army and shot down a airliner with 298 people in it.

"Seperatists"

=

"russian state sponsored terrorists"

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

So true! And that also explains why even the eunuch Putin's oldest daughter, Maria Vorontsova, a medical researcher, lives outside of Russia with her Dutch husband and their small family... Not even the eunuch daughters want to live in a country ruled by his deranged father.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: TheGreazel
Is this how your deflecting the far right in Ukraine? by saying that Russia has their own neo nazis?

There are neo nazi's everywhere , and if they commited crimes they should be held accountable.

But it does not justify a invasion , and the risk it will bring to the rest of us in Europe.

a reply to: TheGreazel

There are neo nazi's everywhere

There is a difference between small Neo Nazis and those that have a structure. These Neo Nazis were attacking people in Dombas and Odessa for not supporting the 2014 protests.

Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine

There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators

and the risk it will bring to the rest of us in Europe.

Putting Ukraine in NATO, EU wouldn't? either way you look at it. The conflict would had been triggered one way or the other.


Look at the article.

Post-Maidan Ukraine is the world’s only nation to have a neo-Nazi formation in its armed forces.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: TheGreazel

There are neo nazi's everywhere

There is a difference between small Neo Nazis and those that have a structure. These Neo Nazis were attacking people in Dombas and Odessa for not supporting the 2014 protests.

These far rights arent small.
Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine

There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators

Those were UKRAINIANS attacking russian INVADERS.

Words matter.

Your words are dishonest.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

You are Quick to Deny without even reading the article.

The fact that Ukraine’s police is peppered with far-right supporters explains why neo-Nazis operate with impunity on the streets.

Those were UKRAINIANS

The Far-right extremists in Ukrainian military bragged about getting the training agaisnt the Russians.

a reply to: vNex92

People have finally grown wise to the fact that youre a propagandist, and boy are you persistent
You haven an amazing blindspot for the fact that youre calling these people Neonazis and at the same time ignoring the literal fascist in charge in Russia who literally kills, dissapears, or jails his rivals indefinitely if they dont go along with the narrative

Please spare us more of it.......weve watched you from the very first posts you made here, slamming the boards with various disinfo whether it be the Truckers in Canada or Covid

The jig , as they say, is up

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

You are Quick to Deny without even reading the article.

The fact that Ukraine’s police is peppered with far-right supporters explains why neo-Nazis operate with impunity on the streets.

Those were UKRAINIANS

The Far-right extremists in Ukrainian military bragged about getting the training agaisnt the Russians.

UKRAINIANS.

attacking

RUSSIANS (and russian supporting traitors)

who tried to steal portions of

UKRAINE.



I read just fine, you?


Propaganda spinning is useless waste of time.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Having read this entire thread, and too many others to count, the only thing that's clear is that NO ONE has clean hands in this mess, and if EVERYONE isn't held to a higher standard, then it doesn't matter who wins the war, because NO ONE has any intention of winning the peace. Rather, whoever "wins" the war will just raise their own bad behavior to steroid levels while demonizing whoever "loses." Indeed, they will justify their own bad behavior through demonization of the loser.

And they'll get away with it because folks would rather ignore some bad behavior (by their guys) while magnifying other bad behavior (by the "other" guys). Crying "propaganda" when it doesn't suit you and your "side" may be true, but it's still a freaking pathetic copout to prop up tyrants.

They are ALL rotten to the core. No one has clean hands. And they all need to be called out on their crap and what brought us to this point. Everyone needs to do better. Not coddled and protected.

Pathetic. This is why we've gone to hell in a handbasket.

Do Russian propagandist really think bringing up a group of Nazis is going to change public opinion when it comes to Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Did anyone else see the Texan Communist (some left leaning people/groups wrongly tried to claim he's a member of the far right) who is fighting to help Russia? It shouldn't be shocking that an authoritarian loon would help a country who's leader use to be a member of the KGB.

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog

More of the "Russian Propaganda" crap?

Russia's propaganda is no more or less prevalent than any other propaganda... including your own. No one needs Russian propaganda to believe the worst of ALL the political critters involved. Their reputations precede them.

And Nazis suck -- whether they're on "our side" or not. Whether they are few or many. That's why most people don't want them on "our side."

But I gotta tell ya, the more I hear folks crying about "Russian propaganda", and especially the attempts to shut down discussion, the less likely I am to trust anyone and especially those crying "Russian propaganda".

originally posted by: TheGreazel
Can't even protest in Russia , if you don't agree with the policy and are vocal about it off you go to jail.

Millions of people protested the Iraqi war back in 03

In Russia they detain a 77 year old lady for protesting.

They say they bring freedom but i see non of that in the Motherland.

Without a caption, you'd think the above was from Canada.

a reply to: nancyliedersdeaddog


"Do Russian propagandist really think bringing up a group of Nazis is going to change public opinion when it comes to Russia's invasion of Ukraine?"


Yes.

Putin 100% believed that it would, and was working.

Not too clever, this putin fellow eh?



He's STILL using it in every speech as 'justification' for invading Ukraine.

a reply to: Boadicea


Sometimes the propagandists completely lose their minds and use their own propaganda as justification to invade a neighbor and repeatedly threaten global nuclear annihilation.

This is one of those times.

This is some of that propaganda.

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u
a reply to: Boadicea


Sometimes the propagandists completely lose their minds and use their own propaganda as justification to invade a neighbor and repeatedly threaten global nuclear annihilation.

This is one of those times.

This is some of that propaganda.

No, it's not. It is very well established and documented that there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, and that there is an official self-proclaimed neo-Nazi unit -- the "Azov" -- within the Ukraine army, and which is fighting for the Ukraine army.

It is not propaganda to say or think that Nazis and neo-Nazis suck.

No one is saying that Russia's invasion is good or right or noble.

But we know better than to believe that the other political critters actions have been good or right or noble either.

And I'm sure as hell not interested in supporting any "solutions" that further empower and embolden ANY of these dirty corrupt critters. But that's exactly where we're being led and what we're being conditioned to embrace.

Well, I can say we all are a bit of that too. I am not going to quit believing in America as the land of the free with Justice for all, that needs restored. I am however, going to quit believing in the American News Networks. They are going to get us Nuked. They hide important information that allows us to go along with some bad people doing bad things we should never approve if in our right thinking.

Whoever this Nex92 is, I can sense the other side of the story has truth. Both sides have likely been very guilty of instigating Putin's actions. The E Ukrainians clearly want it and the W Ukrainians don't. Sounds like a civil war and the Russian Bear came to protect it's people like the US would. Hard to find any common ground when both sides are mad as hell.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: vNex92

People have finally grown wise to the fact that youre a propagandist, and boy are you persistent
You haven an amazing blindspot for the fact that youre calling these people Neonazis and at the same time ignoring the literal fascist in charge in Russia who literally kills, dissapears, or jails his rivals indefinitely if they dont go along with the narrative

Please spare us more of it.......weve watched you from the very first posts you made here, slamming the boards with various disinfo whether it be the Truckers in Canada or Covid

The jig , as they say, is up

originally posted by: Boadicea
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Having read this entire thread, and too many others to count, the only thing that's clear is that NO ONE has clean hands in this mess, and if EVERYONE isn't held to a higher standard, then it doesn't matter who wins the war, because NO ONE has any intention of winning the peace. Rather, whoever "wins" the war will just raise their own bad behavior to steroid levels while demonizing whoever "loses." Indeed, they will justify their own bad behavior through demonization of the loser.

And they'll get away with it because folks would rather ignore some bad behavior (by their guys) while magnifying other bad behavior (by the "other" guys). Crying "propaganda" when it doesn't suit you and your "side" may be true, but it's still a freaking pathetic copout to prop up tyrants.

They are ALL rotten to the core. No one has clean hands. And they all need to be called out on their crap and what brought us to this point. Everyone needs to do better. Not coddled and protected.

Pathetic. This is why we've gone to hell in a handbasket.

Yes I agree. This is a good place to stand. Both sides are guilty. Both sides will suffer. It does need to end, and I am guessing Putin will not withdraw too far back if at all.

When you are losing a ground war you don't care about someone's politics you only care if they are fighting the invaders