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posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

And its disheartening how many people are pro-war wether its the west or east. How easily people are led into thinking invasion and murder is the best option.

You see people giving excuses for Russia. The same type of people who gave excuses for the u.s. occupying countries and drone striking women, children, and men at will in the name of terrorism.

Now many ATSers are defending Putin with the "globalists" boogeyman.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 07:15 AM
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originally posted by: YouSir

Ummm…I don’t believe you…

If you spoke to that general public that you’ve ever known…how many of them are now parroting the…”Putin is actually hitler”…narrative…and believe the portrayal of what truth is as it’s fed to them…

I haven't heard anyone say anything at all about it. That's my point. I don't know anybody who even cares about what's going on over there.

I'm not saying nobody cares at all, but rather that not everyone cares.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 07:38 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn



Sorry, I can't buy into the 'You did something really #ing bad so I'm going to do something really #ing bad as well' mindset.

That was not what I said but thank you for participating.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

And its disheartening how many people are pro-war wether its the west or east. How easily people are led into thinking invasion and murder is the best option.

You see people giving excuses for Russia. The same type of people who gave excuses for the u.s. occupying countries and drone striking women, children, and men at will in the name of terrorism.

Now many ATSers are defending Putin with the "globalists" boogeyman.


Dude, I’ve seen MAYBE two or three regular users here who actually agree with Putin’s tact. The vast majority are simply pointing out two sides of the same coin, while you’re getting upset and claiming there’s only one side of the coin.

So now people are “pro-war” for pointing out the objective fact that propaganda stems from both sides? That upsets you? What are you, a liberal?



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 07:56 AM
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Tell me ONE good thing the overthrown Ukrainian government has done for its people. One....... Ill wait....

You can say what you want about it, to support the Ukraine OR Russia is a mistake. This is a regional conflict with eras of history. We have absolutely no business sticking our noses in. Do you even know how the current government maintained its power? Who they supported? What they did when Crimea was annexed? Ill wait for your answers because, frankly, im sick of overly emotional people sacridicing the truth for their hurt feelings.

a reply to: CptGreenTea



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Effectively you excused Putin for doing just that.

And the majority of Putin supporters, acolytes and apologists make that excuse over and over again.

As I said, I personally can't buy into that.
Others may, that's entirely up to them.

Wrong is wrong.
This invasion is wrong.
Putin implying he'll use nuclear weapons is wrong.

Everything else is just smoke in mirrors.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: BrokenCircles


Ummm…come to think of it…If I didn’t come here…I wouldn’t even know it was occurring…

ATS is my only social media fix…and I don’t watch the…”news”…





YouSir



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Effictively I wrote exactly the opposite even saying I am not excusing him.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: Trigger82

Putin said he was going to take out the nazis in that country. The left should be happy since they think nazi's are all around .
edit on 2-3-2022 by Lemon1234 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain




This would be a bit like Russia going into deals with Mexico, trying to form an alliance, supporting them with personal, hardware and money, build some questionable research labs, directly in front of the US border. How did the US react to Cuba? And Cuba wasn't even physically bordering the USA.


Russian money is in the west despite "efforts" to restrict it, ever heard of Londongrad? If we're to be objective about influence within free markets then surely we have to be discerning of origins. Mexico isn't the topic but there's warfare within it, there's plenty of non-USA backed American dollars at play too.

Mentioning Cuba requires a history trip for most people too, Cuba had nuclear devices and was days away from functional delivery systems. It also had Russian bombers capable of also delivering those munitions and Russia had subs in the area. Many years later we found out how close we came with Vasily Arkhipov's interjection when the US surfaced one of their (USSRs) subs.

That's nothing like Ukraine. As far as we're aware. If Ukraine has weapons of mass destruction pointed at Russia we'd be told by Russia no?



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

You say you aren't making excuse for Putin then proceed to voice nothing but 'what about the US' and blame the USA for everything.

As I have pointed out on several occasions since Day One of this crisis there are numerous contributory factors and many failings that have brought us to where we are.
But the FACT remains Putin chose to invade Ukraine.
Putin chose to hang the threat of nuclear war over the worlds head.

To be honest I think people use the 'What about Iraq and Afghanistan', 'Nothing to do with us', 'Its all Biden's fault' and 'its part of some nefarious NWO like plot' excuses all too quickly in order to deflect from the truth.....they simply don't want to see NATO or anyone confront and stand up to Putin because they are scared of it escalating.
And that's ok, I genuinely get that - no-one in their right mind wants this to spiral out of control - so why not say that instead of all the waffle and bull#?

I don't know if any of that applies to you personally....I just get sick of reading what amounts to people making excuses for Putin, because at the end of the day the responsibility lies with him.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: TheLead
a reply to: MiddleInsite

It's not that Putin isn't bad, it's the perspective that none of them are good.

When people realize they have been lied to all their life they also realize nothing is truly black and white. We simply don't live in the reality that is presented.


This above is about as clear as it can be expressed!




posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: Joneselius
Tell me ONE good thing the overthrown Ukrainian government has done for its people. One....... Ill wait....

You can say what you want about it, to support the Ukraine OR Russia is a mistake. This is a regional conflict with eras of history. We have absolutely no business sticking our noses in. Do you even know how the current government maintained its power? Who they supported? What they did when Crimea was annexed? Ill wait for your answers because, frankly, im sick of overly emotional people sacridicing the truth for their hurt feelings.

a reply to: CptGreenTea




posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

You say you aren't making excuse for Putin then proceed to voice nothing but 'what about the US' and blame the USA for everything.

As I have pointed out on several occasions since Day One of this crisis there are numerous contributory factors and many failings that have brought us to where we are.
But the FACT remains Putin chose to invade Ukraine.
Putin chose to hang the threat of nuclear war over the worlds head.

To be honest I think people use the 'What about Iraq and Afghanistan', 'Nothing to do with us', 'Its all Biden's fault' and 'its part of some nefarious NWO like plot' excuses all too quickly in order to deflect from the truth.....they simply don't want to see NATO or anyone confront and stand up to Putin because they are scared of it escalating.
And that's ok, I genuinely get that - no-one in their right mind wants this to spiral out of control - so why not say that instead of all the waffle and bull#?

I don't know if any of that applies to you personally....I just get sick of reading what amounts to people making excuses for Putin, because at the end of the day the responsibility lies with him.



I believe I have seen enough to know you do think clearly on here. I don't agree with everything anyone says and I don't expect people to agree with everything I say or share. This situation does boil down to two sets of liars and we know our liars have proven to lie precipitously making it hard as hell to think anything they tell us can be true.

You can't say we know what is happening any more than I can. It is best to get back up on that fence with some of us and see where the truth lead us. The data is not settled about this. There are too many anomalies and one common theme. That theme being we have some major players from the US who have been dabbling on the border of Russia who have a lot to personally lose.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 10:34 AM
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originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain




This would be a bit like Russia going into deals with Mexico, trying to form an alliance, supporting them with personal, hardware and money, build some questionable research labs, directly in front of the US border. How did the US react to Cuba? And Cuba wasn't even physically bordering the USA.


Russian money is in the west despite "efforts" to restrict it, ever heard of Londongrad? If we're to be objective about influence within free markets then surely we have to be discerning of origins. Mexico isn't the topic but there's warfare within it, there's plenty of non-USA backed American dollars at play too.

Mentioning Cuba requires a history trip for most people too, Cuba had nuclear devices and was days away from functional delivery systems. It also had Russian bombers capable of also delivering those munitions and Russia had subs in the area. Many years later we found out how close we came with Vasily Arkhipov's interjection when the US surfaced one of their (USSRs) subs.

That's nothing like Ukraine. As far as we're aware. If Ukraine has weapons of mass destruction pointed at Russia we'd be told by Russia no?


I totally agree with what your premise is, but, before 1990 Russia was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) a communist nation. The USSR was the one who placed nukes in Cuba. I was 12 when that happened. Everything that happened with the Soviet Union up until 1990 was communist. After that, I have not figured out what Russia has become - a dictatorship, a republic, an ethnic organization, a democracy, or what? Putin, right or wrong, has his hands full.

ETA: Has anyone seen or heard from our man in Russia, Edward Snowden??
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posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I am not interested in you trying to explain me how I excuse Putin when I EXPLICIT stated I do not.

Maybe find someone else where it sticks.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 11:19 AM
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All of these opinions are great and interesting to read. But it still amazes me that so many people are soooo convinced they have it all figured out when the only information they get is form the glowing boxes they stare at. Does anyone believe the media any more? If it is written words instead of a television broadcast does that make it more believable? Or some kid on a youtube video? Even real life scenes that appear to show this that or the other thing are often proven to be old videos of something completely different or deep fakes or well staged acts or just grossly out of context.

The number of people here who continually quote mainstream talking points to back up their version of the facts is really getting depressing. Worse yet, quote some vapid celebrity and call it proof. I don't know about the rest of you but if a kardashian says it - I believe it...NOT Now, replace kardashian with any other publicity hog celebrity.

The worst kind of logic I see so much of lately is: I can compare A to B. I know how A ended so that means I know how B will end too. A may be similar to B in some ways but that means nothing. Times change. Not to mention that your asserted knowledge is based on the belief that you had the facts right in the first place, which you likely did not.

So Putin should have used the WMD excuse because it worked for the US. The problem there is hussein actually did have WMD's. But that point is still debated along party lines. Its a moot point now, but, hussein used WMD's on his own people. He couldn't use them if he didn't have them. Does anyone believe he used his entire stockpile to discourage one civil uprising?

Putin says he is fighting against nazis and everyone here laughs and says he is full of sh1t. (as if any of us know the truth about any of this) Our own government has labeled Americans on the right neo-nazi and declared them to be enemies of state and terrorists. Our government is more laughable than Putin by a long shot. But that didn't stop them from militarizing the police force and taking measures to limit our freedoms at every turn. Our idiot in chief actually said it would take nukes and F-15's to fight them.

Based on bidens own statements, any foreign nation with the balls to do so has as much justification to invade and destabilize this nation as we ever did for any other nation we deemed threatened by an aggressive tyrannical government. Think about that. So many events in our recent past that could have been used to justify foreign aggression on US soil if they chose to use the same methods of intervention that we use in other nations. We are not immune, just lucky so far...
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posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: CptGreenTea
a reply to: Joneselius

I was following you until you said,

"Also the Ukrainian government are borderline reprobate, so that doesnt help. They will maximise civillian deaths and casualities to advance their agenda. The president should have remained an entertainer......."

O so its Ukraine's fault they are choosing to fight back against an invading force?

Sure, there is western propaganda and agendas, but there is also Russian. You sure you're not just buying into Russian propaganda because you don't seem to fault Russia at all.


which part of "civilian deaths" you don't understand?

they're putting their military units in areas populated by civilians, on purpose, to make russians kill civilians by accident.

they're putting guns in hands of untrained civilians, even 18yo. what do you think will happen to them?

they'll become nice photo-op for ukrainian government, screaming "see, russians kill innocent people!", that's what.

besides, ukrainians were murdering their own in eastern ukraine for the past couple of years. and none of this is russian propaganda, there's plenty of photo and video evidence.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 12:24 PM
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a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Sorry, but it seems to me that you open with the disclaimer that you're not making excuses for Putin then proceed to blame everyone but Putin.

Just my take on it.
No big deal.



posted on Mar, 2 2022 @ 12:26 PM
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I wonder why or what actually changed since April 2021.
Putin put troops (I believe it was 80,000) at the boarder back in April 2021.

So what has really forced his hand and made him to decide almost a year later to invaded Ukraine?

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Theory:

I know maybe he is just looking for the missing Hillary email's (33,000)
or maybe the 2020 President Election missing "servers."
That has to be it!
After all, President Trump and him are suppose to be buddy-buddy, right.

In case you are wondering this whole "theory" is very heavy laded "SARCASM"
I wonder why the media hasn't come up with this theory - that's right Trump's not in office anymore!

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