Why are atheist so angry with God?

a reply to: Joecroft

You're trying to make it say something it doesn't say. Paul was talking to Christians at the Church of Corinth. Why would the letter be for just somebody. The KJV says this:

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

You know what it says and this is why you're not talking about verse 9.

He's saying, WHOM STAYS STEADFAST IN THE FAITH.

Why would he be telling just someone to stay steadfast in the faith?

Where's the plot hole?

a reply to: neoholographic
You are so lost, Joecroft never mentioned Peter or anything in that book in their original post.

ETA: It is interesting that people mentioning phrases from the bible takes you straight to a certain book when we are just using them in a general way in regards to the central plot of the story. Like me mentioning wheat and chaff.

a reply to: daskakik

Again:

What verse says that God is allowing satan to tempt humanity to separate the wheat from the chaff?

Show me the verse where it says this is his job

You keep conjuring up these scenarios in your mind then you claim it's a plot hole. Where are the verses that says this is satans job.

a reply to: neoholographic
Like I said in the ETA in my previous post, they are figures of speech that have entered the language when talking about the central plot of the bible.

I'm sure you are aware of the idea behind the wheat and chaff plot device in the bible, you probably also understand the plot device that satan plays but apparently you don't understand how they come together.

a reply to: daskakik

Like I said in the ETA in my previous post, they are figures of speech that have entered the language when talking about the central plot of the bible.

So you're basically lying and making things up and you called it a plot hole.

Where's the verse that says God and satan were close friends?

Where's the verse that says God felt hurt and betrayed by satan?

Where's the verse that says it's satans job to separate the wheat from the chaff?

You're just making up lies that are nowhere in the Bible and then claiming there's a plot hole. Shame on you for such obvious and outright lies.

Where are the Bible verses?

a reply to: neoholographic
Have you not read the bible?

God is the creator of everything, including satan.

Satan plays the same role in the 3 big religions Judaism, Christianity and Islam, he plays god's advisory.

In the book of Job he waltzes into the presence of god and they chat and god tells him to test Job.

What part is giving you a hard time?

a reply to: daskakik

Again, you have made specific claims because you know that you're lying. You made these claims to try and add weight to your weak and non existent argument. I will repeat the questions.

Where's the verse that says God and satan were close friends?

Where's the verse that says God felt hurt and betrayed by satan?

Where's the verse that says it's satans job to separate the wheat from the chaff?

You claimed there was a plot hole because God and satan were close friends and God should feel betrayed. Do you really think this makes sense?

originally posted by: neoholographic
You claimed there was a plot hole because God and satan were close friends and God should feel betrayed. Do you really think this makes sense?

Yes, I said god met with him and chit chatted and even told him to have a go at Job. That is some kind of relationship and I would say even a friendship.

God is planning to burn satan for eternity and that shows the opposite of the above.

The bible says god want's to separate the pious from the sinners (wheat and chaff) and satan is the tempter.

You don't recognize the basic plot of the story?

a reply to: daskakik

What??

You're still trying to push something that's obvioulsy false.

You're saying, God and satan were friends. You haven't provided a shred of evidence to support this.

You tried to paint a picture through your lies that God and satan were close friends so God should feel betrayed and he shouldn't have been allowed to be with the sons of God.

This is a plot hole?

You're just making things up then saying it's a plot hole.

Where's the verse that says satan was given a job by God to separate the wheat from the chaff?

originally posted by: neoholographic
You're just making things up then saying it's a plot hole.

So you are of the opinion that someone who want's to burn someone else for eternity would just sit there and let them tempt one of their most loved children?

Kudos on your mental gymnastic ability.

a reply to: neoholographic

Originally posted by neoholographic
You're trying to make it say something it doesn't say. Paul was talking to Christians at the Church of Corinth. Why would the letter be for just somebody.

But I never brought those verses up…you did…

Originally posted by neoholographic
The KJV says this:

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

9 Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

You know what it says and this is why you're not talking about verse 9.

He's saying, WHOM STAYS STEADFAST IN THE FAITH.

Why would he be telling just someone to stay steadfast in the faith?

Where's the plot hole?

But the Bible talks to believers as well as non-believers…as nobody starts out as a “believer”…so it’s also kind of advice for non-believers…

It could definitely be argued that when it’s says “whom stays steadfast in the Faith” it’s actually talking to believers and unbelievers…because again it uses the word “Whom”…it’s right up there with the word “Whomever”…which means it applies to anyone who is reading the verse…

But anyway…you’re bringing everything down to those verses; verses which I didn’t initially bring up…and you only brought them up because you thought the context was about physical affliction…which it isn’t…

The Bible states that Satan is a lier and a deceiver…which clearly affects non-believers…that’s the “Souls on the line” that I was referring to…and depending on your theological position…it could affect Christians as well…

You’re still bypassing the question…

- JC

a reply to: Joecroft

You said:

It could definitely be argued that when it’s says “whom stays steadfast in the Faith” it’s actually talking to believers and unbelievers…because again it uses the word “Whom”…it’s right up there with the word “Whomever”…which means it applies to anyone who is reading the verse…

How can non believers stay steadfast in the faith?

You guys are really just making it up as you go. Paul was talking to Christians in a letter to the Church. He's telling Christians they will face afflictions. This is why he says:

knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

So there's no plot hole. You said:

The Bible states that Satan is a lier and a deceiver…which clearly affects non-believers…that’s the “Souls on the line” that I was referring to…and depending on your theological potion…it could affect Christians as well…

You keep saying this but what is the big question? What's the big plot hole from this slightly incoherent soliloquy?

originally posted by: neoholographic
Paul was talking to Christians in a letter to the Church.

What part of "Joecroft never mentioned Peter or anything in that book in their original post" or "But I never brought those verses up…you did…" is giving you a hard time?

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: neoholographic
Paul was talking to Christians in a letter to the Church.

What part of "Joecroft never mentioned Peter or anything in that book in their original post" or "But I never brought those verses up…you did…" is giving you a hard time?

He said:

but supposedly lets this evil entity roam around freely to devour souls and tempt people etc

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

What other verse says the devil seeks to devour?

a reply to: neoholographic

He doesn't care he's just being argumentative

originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: neoholographic

He doesn't care he's just being argumentative

I know, I'm just pointing out how ridiculous he's sounding. He's just making stuff up and calling it a plot hole.

a reply to: neoholographic
Like I said earlier, a general idea or term that took you to a specific verse, but that wasn't what they were referring to.

Can't you separate the ideas presented in the bible from a specific verse?

a reply to: cooperton
No, you are all just to rigid in asking what specific verse mentioned this, that or the other and lose sight of just the general idea of the story.

a reply to: neoholographic

Originally posted by neoholographic
How can non believers stay steadfast in the faith?

Simple…By becoming believers…and then staying steadfast in the Faith…

Originally posted by neoholographic
You guys are really just making it up as you go. Paul was talking to Christians in a letter to the Church. He's telling Christians they will face afflictions. This is why he says:knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.

But I never brought up those verses…And you only brought them because you thought the context was about Satan bringing physical affliction…which was never the context of my Question/Post…

It’s like you’re just not listening…

Originally posted by Joecroft
The Bible states that Satan is a lier and a deceiver…which clearly affects non-believers…that’s the “Souls on the line” that I was referring to…and depending on your theological potion…it could affect Christians as well…

Originally posted by neoholographic
You keep saying this but what is the big question? What's the big plot hole from this slightly incoherent soliloquy?

Surely you can derive the Question from my post below…

Originally posted by Joecroft
The “plot hole” is that Satan is supposedly being aloud to roam around freely harming people. Peoples Souls are on the line!...

The thing is, people’s souls could still be on the line with free will (freedom) choice still being present…without the need for some big evil entity making things worse…God is all about saving Souls…but supposedly lets this evil entity roam around freely to devour souls and tempt people etc…

Also it kind of gives people an out…”Satan made me do it“..for example…

But just in case you can’t…here you go…

It’s about people losing their Souls because Satan is aloud to roam around lieing and deceiving people…while God has the power to just get rid of him at any time…God is about saving Souls…so why would God allow that to continue…???

God could easily make peoples free will remain intact, without allowing Satan the power to interfere with people’s lives…(And I’m not talking about psychical afflictions here…just so we’re clear) I’m talking about people’s Souls getting deceived…

- JC

a reply to: daskakik

Originally posted by daskakik
Like I said earlier, a general idea or term that took you to a specific verse, but that wasn't what they were referring to.

Can't you separate the ideas presented in the bible from a specific verse?

Exactly…well said…

It’s a worrying sign when people take one word out of a post…and then look for that exact word in a Bible verse…And then try to get you to debate that passage lol

- JC