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Eliminating Elections Key To True Representational Democracy

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posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Sounds more like Communism to me.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 04:10 PM
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a reply to: ERISunveiled
Because we don't have the intelligence to come up with something as perfect as our Constitution...our forefathers did



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: ERISunveiled

I think you forgot the part about introducing drugs into the water system. That’s the only way you would get me interested in living in a society like that. As a matter of fact, I think I would still have problems with it.

How do you plan on dealing with the resistance to your brave new world. Some of us like our constitution and bill of rights. I suppose you could build some really huge re-education camps for us older folks until you get the kiddies all indoctrinated in the new world order, excuse me, novel global organization.

I especially like the part with the secret police monitoring people. It worked really well in Germany.

You sound like a disillusioned democrat that’s looking for a reset with socialist tones.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: ERISunveiled
The taxes from those things wouldn't even pay for 1% of the Healthcare costs



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: Oathkeeper73

That’s because it is sorta



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: ERISunveiled

originally posted by: ElGoobero
great system, if you're one of the top ten percent elites that gets to make all the decisions.

kind of like our system now.


(I just gave Masonicus a star. oy.)



what are you talking about? this is a system based on RANDOM assignments --eligible for Everyone


ransom assignments will never happen.
consider the USSR. in theory everything was logical, people assigned positions based on test scores, experiences and interests; but in practice the people at the top picked and chose (family & friends) for the good assignments and sent DBCowboy and Augustus to the salt mines.
there will always be an elite making the decisions.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 06:13 PM
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OP thinks progressive policies are good, conservative policies are bad, and wants to eliminate democracy.

And this:



get rid of elections & select ppl at random to fill all govt positions—including cops, judges & military + corporate leadership. Once someone turns 18, and if they have at least an 8th grade education, they will be randomly selected for govt service for a single, two-year term.





posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: ERISunveiled

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: ERISunveiled
You lost me here...


• Progressives—good policies informed by empathy & evidence, but… *long deep exhale*

and here...


the common human decency of progressive policies

There was no need to continue reading after that.



universal health care, $25 minimum wage. why aren't these are good policies?


And how are you going to pay for that?


tax the chinese?



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 07:37 PM
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really interesting feedback. a lot of you conservatives might be surprised to know progressives hate this idea as much as you and also think it's fascism. both sides are only critical of government overreach when they don't see themselves in the role of the oppressor--you merely want different ppl punished. Both sides will vehemently defend a system that incentivizes corruption and incompetence just for the sake of maintaining their own victimhood and whatever gives them the excuse to merely wait for a 'HERO' to show up who will solve all your problems for you. A hero who of course will never come bc it's just grifters manipulating the system all the way down. This may not be the revolutionary idea that fixes our current problems, it may not even spark a conversation that leads to whatever we create out of the ashes of our current system, but no one has demonstrated this won't fix the problems it claims, or that it will create problems worse than what we will have now. Any notion this proposal is fascist or communist is intellectually bankrupt--they're just words you've heard that mean 'bad government' and that's as far as you're willing to understand the actual definitions. It's lazy to the point that you don't even seem to care you're wrong. bc part of what this system is supposed to incentivize is using your imagination to fix the problems that could possibly come from it. But you're all so wrapped up hero worship and victim narratives you lack the basic imagination to see the government as anything other than a tool of oppression, as opposed to what God meant it to be, which is just a system for organizing people into peaceful coexistence. You'd rather let everything collapse than do the hard work of empowering yourselves and future generations.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

Sounds like a totalitarian's wet dream come true.



Ummm…except for the part where elections don’t matter…and your vote really doesn’t count for the effort…

But at least we have the illusion that any of that really matters…or has any real effect…


It’s already a totalitarian wet dream…



YouSir



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 07:41 PM
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Day one: Tim works at widget factory. He's good at making widgets. He can make 500 a day and provide a lot of value. Tom isn't as skilled. He makes 200 per day. Paycheck at end of day is $100 for each, cuz universal.

Day two: Tim decides to only make 200 from then on, get same pay-- progress.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: ERISunveiled

Just curious, how long did it take you to come up with you’re manifesto? And what do you feel should happen to the many millions that will certainly reject and resist what you propose?

I started working in the 60’s I was paid 1.35 an hour to start. How was that worth $25 today?

These are sincere questions.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 09:14 PM
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a reply to: ERISunveiled

Nothing in what you wrote indicated any leaning towards individual rights, freedoms or liberties.

Nothing.

Rights are enumerated. They are not bestowed by ANY man. We are all born with the rights to freedom, to liberty.

Man can only limit the rights of others.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: ERISunveiled

Nothing in what you wrote indicated any leaning towards individual rights, freedoms or liberties.

Nothing.

Rights are enumerated. They are not bestowed by ANY man. We are all born with the rights to freedom, to liberty.

Man can only limit the rights of others.


Sir, I first need you to explain what you mean by "individual rights, freedoms or liberties"



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: Topcraft
a reply to: ERISunveiled

Just curious, how long did it take you to come up with you’re manifesto? And what do you feel should happen to the many millions that will certainly reject and resist what you propose?

I started working in the 60’s I was paid 1.35 an hour to start. How was that worth $25 today?

These are sincere questions.


I've been at this idea for a couple of years. It came from listening to lefty podcasters ranting about the problems with the govt and how it capitulates to corporate interests and after awhile I kinda saw the negative space around the problems as the solution. When I realized there was no way I was the first person in history to come up with this idea I did some researching and found out yes, it actually was already a thing--with a name and all .

I'm genuinely surprised I've found so many people who don't like this idea. But all that means is that ppl like me need to be patient and have conversations like these in hopes of being persuasive. I don't believe people aren't capable of changing their minds when new information comes in. And this is a radical idea for sure, and I shouldn't be so cranky when I find resistance. but it would help if the detractors actually argued on the merits of specific points instead of yelling THiS IS FASCISM when this is literally a type of Democracy.

Historically the minimum wage increased in response not just to inflation but also to economic growth. So while it's true that $1 in 1960's money is only worth about $10 now--that's just inflation. Economic growth + inflation should have increased the minimum wage to $25

cepr.net...



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 11:53 PM
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no one has demonstrated this won't fix the problems it claims, or that it will create problems worse than what we will have now.

1 in every 5 adults has some form of mental illness, and 1 in every 35 has a serious mental illness. What do you propose for all the psychopaths? What about the criminal element; will they magically turn over a new leaf and decide to become constructive members of society?



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: ERISunveiled

I can’t believe you don’t understand the opposition to your ideas. My father shed blood in WW2. I lost brothers, and a good chunk of my sanity in Vietnam, family members went to Iraq and Afghanistan. We fought to preserve a way of life that we loved. And, we fought to prevent ideas like yours from coming to life in our country.

So my friend, what’s your plan to convince the people that took an oath to protect and defend the constitution?



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 05:14 AM
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Why be so stingy? Why not $500/hr minimum wage? Do you want everyone to just live with the bare minimum?



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 05:31 AM
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In all seriousness, when you take away personal accountability, you also take away personal pride in accomplishment. They are two sides of the same coin.

When you take away the ability to excel and be rewarded for that, people will stop trying to excel. Everything will fall to the lowest, slowest, least effort common denominator.

People are not equivalent. Some are quite hard workers and virtuous, and others decide to take from others in every respect.

It is hateful and harmful to enable those who are self-destructive and have no wish to change. You will only accelerate their demise. If you truly cared about the person, you would do what is best, (or not do harmful enabling), rather than doing what makes YOU feel better. It is about doing the best for others, not YOUR feels which is done entire for selfish recognition. Many a parent has paid their child's way into drug overdose because they didn't want Timmy mad at THEM.

When people want to improve their lot and choose not to be destructive, people naturally step and help.

As to your concept of government. Who chooses the ones making the rules?

Who decides how the money is doled out?

What if those people decide to take the cushy jobs and change the rules?

People aren't drones (though they are trying to be). What happens when they decide not to relinquish the leadership roles or the money doling roles, or the enforcement roles the money guys now control?

What happens when people stop working because they can "get by" or "ow, my back! I can't work"?

Who makes the widgets and food and clothing then?

These are all rhetorical. The answers are in plain sight. If you are attempting to rationalize them, you are already missing the point. Every part of your rodeo has been tried before.

I don't want to say anything disparaging to you, but I have a hard time believing you have held a proper job or had to work hard for anything in your young life ever. Work hard, trade fairly, and live in an upright moral manner and you will see things quite clearly in a few years.
edit on 22-2-2022 by Halfswede because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: Topcraft
a reply to: ERISunveiled

I can’t believe you don’t understand the opposition to your ideas. My father shed blood in WW2. I lost brothers, and a good chunk of my sanity in Vietnam, family members went to Iraq and Afghanistan. We fought to preserve a way of life that we loved. And, we fought to prevent ideas like yours from coming to life in our country.

So my friend, what’s your plan to convince the people that took an oath to protect and defend the constitution?




by pointing out that (with the possible exception of WWII) your family (and sanity) didn't die to defend the constitution, it died in service of inflating the profits of the military-industrial complex. Something career politicians did TO YOU with malice aforethought. I'd also point out the Constitution is powerless to defend itself against the very group of ppl it needs the most protection from... career politicians. In fact, it's a very conspicuous FLAW built right into it. It's SO conspicuous I believe it was intentionally designed that way as an auto self-destruct feature set to detonate roughly 250 years after it was drafted bc the only one actually playing 4D chess (GOD) needed a placeholder government until we discovered quantum mechanics and invented computers which would allow us to do things like randomly select people for positions in government but also allow them to govern anonymously.

and then after I said all that i'd ask you what exactly about this idea you find so threatening? Like specifically. Don't be vague---bc several ppl here have made some UNEARNED accusations, like this is fascist, uh but, that's not what fascism means. Fascism is a specific term denoting government under dictator rule. this proposal is a Democracy--rule by the people. So show me how this threatens You, Me, We The People from running our country.




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