Trump Hatred

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
In 7 years, this is my first post in this forum.

Honestly?

I loathe most politicians of either party.

My personal values place honesty above anything else,
and it would seem that lying is the currency of the realm
when it comes to politics.

I will come out and say, that I have always liked Bernie
Sanders, he seems like less of a paid shill for pharma
and other big money businesses, but I'm sure he's
not pristine either.

Bernie had clearly won the Democratic primary, but old
Shillary just had to get her 8 years, so there was no
Democracy in the Democratic party.. they overrode
the will of the people and shilled her in.

I just wanted to demonstrate that the Democrats
make me sick, quite often.

On the other hand, Trump lost me due to issues like
this:

en.wikipedia.org...

www.forbes.com...

Frankly, I find the man an idiot, he confesses to misdemeanors and
potential felonies on national television.

And stuff like this really makes me shake my head at some of his followers:

www.marketwatch.com...

So in short, I don't like hardly anyone in politics, of either party,
but Trump certianly seems to love making a fool of himself and
not caring. I mean, that is a subjective interpretation of course.

So it's things like this, that get Lefties upset.

Now, some folks put forward equally caustic examples about
old Shillary Clinton.

I guess I want to ask you personally, Ketsuko, and any others
who want to reply,

Is it really diffiult to understand why so many people don't
like Trump?

Kev

yes but i guess some people like to be lied to more than being told the truth.

trump is everyday people. not2 faced mealy-mouthed careered politician telling what you want to hear without doing anything cept taking payoffs. right bernie? biden? hillary? "if i was his dad" obama?

originally posted by: ketsuko
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I don't understand it. I may never understand it, but I think perhaps it's time to let it go. I'm not telling you to forget the policies you disliked. I haven't forgotten the policies Obama pushed that have hurt me and others in various ways, but I'm also not losing sleep over it, not hating people who liked Obama because of it, and not venting sheer visceral hatred of Obama into every single thing I do because of it. Obama is done even if the policies of his presidency linger. The same is true of Trump. Let it go. The country and your countrymen will be better when you do.

 

Please Read before posting:
This is NOT the Mud Pit!

The reason you (and a lot of other people) don't understand the deep-seated visceral hatred is because you don't really understand how exceptionally screwed up Trump's personality is. I don't know if I'm the only one on the forum with formal Psychological training and a University degree in the subject, but it certainly feels like it often because of all the psychological naïveté I see expressed here.

Let's start with the basics. Humans are altricial animals. That means that we have long childhoods where it is necessary for other people to look after us and teach us the ways of the world. Because of that, we are intrinsically social animals. Because we are social animals, the interpersonal relationships we have with each other are a matter of existential importance and therefore extremely emotionally loaded. We can't get around this; it's how we've evolved to be.

One of the strongest emotions we experience with respect to interpersonal relationships is the demand for fairness and equity with respect to ourselves and the people around us. If you really want to piss off a group of primates, treat one of them differently than the others. Researchers have done experiments where they would train primates to do certain tasks using machines where the primate would pull a lever and get a treat if they did the task right. It turns out that if you have a bunch of these primates all pulling levers and getting treats except that all of them but one get a piece of celery as a treat and one of them gets a strawberry, all hell will break loose. All the primates will recognize that one of them is getting a better deal than the others and the ones who figure they are being treated unfairly will eventually rebel, refuse to go on with the program and start a fight. The need to be treated fairly in social settings is built into us and is very deep seated.

At its heart, social interactions where everyone is treated fairly rests on the abstract idea that everyone is equal with respect to the rules (written and unwritten) that we are expected to live by. This abstract idea is the basis for some of the classical commandments that lie at the root of many religions such as not killing, not stealing, and not bearing false witness.

The large majority of normal people are able to both understand this abstract idea and to more-or-less abide by it by about age 4 or 5. That's one reason why kindergarten starts at that age--it's basically the first time that most kids can sit in one place and take turns answering questions and play together without killing each other.

Now here's where Trump comes in to the picture. Some kids never figure out and/or accept that they should play by the rules because they don't accept the idea of equality between themselves and others. They cling to the infantile idea that they are intrinsically better than (literally) everyone else. In fact, they believe they are perfect--a word that Trump is fond of using to describe himself. They are “special snowflakes” on steroids.

This inability to accept reality usually starts as a neurotic response to some kind of ego wound. Many people who have known Trump since he was a kid believe the wound was probably caused by the way his father treated him. Kids usually don’t have the mental and emotional resources to work through something like this by themselves, so the neurosis can become basically cemented to the point where their personality develops around it and makes it a permanent feature. Those kinds of personalities are called Narcissistic Personalities. Here is a list of Narcissistic Personality characteristics from the standard Diagnostic Manual:
• A grandiose sense of self-importance
• Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
• Believing that they are "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
• Requiring excessive admiration
• A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations)
• Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends)
• Lacking empathy (unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others)
• Often being envious of others or believing that others are envious of them
• Showing arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
It should be obvious that Trump ticks off every one of those diagnostic criteria.

He also hits most of the diagnostic criteria for Antisocial Personality as well:
Antisocial personality (sometimes referred to as Psychopathy) is defined by a pervasive and persistent disregard for morals, social norms, and the rights and feelings of others. Individuals with this personality will typically have limited compunction in exploiting others in harmful ways for their own gain or pleasure, and frequently manipulate and deceive other people.

Approximately 1 person out of a hundred will score as a Narcissistic Personality on a test. Approximately 4 people out of a hundred will score significantly on an Antisocial Personality test. The two personality traits are not entirely independent of each other, but the fact that Trump scores high on both scales makes his personality approximately 1 in 1,000, off in the direction of the Dark Triad. In Psychology, the dark triad comprises the personality traits of narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy. People scoring high on these traits are more likely to commit crimes, cause social distress, and create severe problems for organizations, especially if they are in leadership positions.

What causes people to be seen as agreeable by other people? It turns out to be everything that Trump is not. People who score high on agreeableness are empathetic and altruistic while a low agreeableness score relates to selfish behavior and a lack of empathy. Those who score very low on agreeableness show signs of dark triad behavior such as manipulation and competing with others rather than cooperating.

As I said, Trump’s particular witches brew of dark triad personality traits is probably about a 1 in 1,000 event. Since we only had 44 Presidents before him, we’ve never seen a dark personality this extreme before in a President. That’s why he is hated so extremely; he’s extremely disagreeable by objective measures.

a reply to: sarahvital

Those 'coastal elites' as they are called, often look down
thier noses at people.

The Democrats really screwed up, especially Hillary Cinton,
by looking down her nose at regular people, who just happen
not to live in Califonria or New York.

If you call someone 'deplorable' they will jump up and vote
in Krusty the Klown, or anyone they damn well please,
in reaction.

It's also the war between who live from their heart, and those
who live from their mind (though everyone lives from both).

Trumpism, will always be with us, whether Trump is or not.
It was already here.. it has just gotten more visibility recently.

Kev

a reply to: 1947boomer

Oh please, give it a rest!

We've covered this ground. By all objective measures, Trump is no more or less objectionable personality wise than many of the politicians serving even today. But none of them have sparked this much visceral outrage among people of all kinds.

Yes, people dislike him. *I* dislike him, but I don't vote on like or dislike, never have. If I did, I would have voted for Obama the first time around. I found him likable, but I found his policy positions deplorable.

But I don't find Trump's personality to be any more or less nasty than people like Harry Reid used to be or certain members of The Squad (not AOC, she's just stupid). Rafael Warnock from Georgia is a prize piece of work who ran over his ex girlfriend and is openly racist. We could talk a lot about the Cuomos. And then there are the granddaddy baddies - the Clintons.

Trump is not out of place among them, and you can't say he is any more or less worse in any way. But I don't see them inspiring as much hatred. Only the Clintons come close because they are brazen about their dirt and keep getting away with it.

a reply to: 1947boomer

Analyze this:
We don't care about his personality.
We care about results.
No need to write a thesis.

a reply to: ketsuko

Yes, people dislike him. *I* dislike him, but I don't vote on like or dislike, never have. If I did, I would have voted for Obama the first time around. I found him likable, but I found his policy positions deplorable.

You are an exception in this clown world. Most people vote
on how the candidate is marketed and sold by their election committees and how the presentation is presented to the
Plebians. Sold just like any other commodity. And as a media geek for the GOP, it's not as easy as you might think. However I love the process of working on Elections behind the scenes. Ultimately it's just another way of entertaining the viewers in this circus known as political campaigns. We shouldn't forget how much money is at stake with the outcome and who will get the largest slice of the pie.

But it's no mystery that people vote mainly on the condition of their disposable income and the economy; like they say "it's the economy, stupid"

a reply to: olaru12


Most democrats.

a reply to: ketsuko

you make a great point.. there are many people in politics
who are deeply and enduringly mentally ill.

I suppose Trump is simply more 'in your face' than almost anyone,
ever.

And... to echo another poster here, I've heard little old ladies be interviewed,
at the CPAC, who when told like 50 allegations of crimes Trump had supposedly
done, they basically said,

"we don't care what he has done, what anyone says about him, if he stops Abortion
then it doesn't matter. God's hand is on him".

Single issue voters can often be that way, in either party.

Kev

a reply to: 1947boomer


Armchair psychology.

A professional would be immediately banned from the profession for stating words like yours about someone they had never met.

And that's before anyone even considers whether your words were honest, which they were not.

Having trouble coming to terms with just how irrelevant the democrat party and their msm minions have become?

I suggest holding on to your hat boomer, it's about to get MUCH worse for you.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ketsuko

you make a great point.. there are many people in politics
who are deeply and enduringly mentally ill.

I suppose Trump is simply more 'in your face' than almost anyone,
ever.

And... to echo another poster here, I've heard little old ladies be interviewed,
at the CPAC, who when told like 50 allegations of crimes Trump had supposedly
done, they basically said,

"we don't care what he has done, what anyone says about him, if he stops Abortion
then it doesn't matter. God's hand is on him".

Single issue voters can often be that way, in either party.

Kev

Correction.

They/we don't care what Democrats say Trump has done.

2000 lies in 2000 days, and not a single one of them with even a shred of merit.

Think I'm wrong?

Name a single one of your false accusations that turned out to contain even a single thread of evidence.

I'll wait.

Until November if necessary.

After that the Democrats will no longer exist as a national party.

a reply to: olaru12

Oh, I understand it very well. If nothing else proved that, this last election had to. Joe Biden never actually campaigned or ran.

Study the election of William Henry Harrison to see what I mean. Harrison himself never spent much time on the trail. The Whigs kept him locked away in a cabin and remote, and they constructed the man they wished the country to think he was built on the image of him as a war hero - Tippecanoe and Tyler, too! That's the slogan.

They forced Martin van Buren to run against no one except this fake image while hampered by other troubles.

Sounding familiar yet? It should because it's what they did to install Joe although I still have questions about whether or not he actually won, but that's another discussion. They used COVID as an excuse to keep Joe mostly in his basement in Delaware and ran a construct Joe of what they thought people wanted. Constructs don't gaffe like we all know now Joe would have if let out into the wild like normal candidates are. There was nothing to run against, nothing to attack.

Meanwhile, the Dems allowed and encouraged the BLM riots and other things that created the conditions of chaos and woe people wanted someone to save them from. The press, of course, was complicit as were powerful agents across multiple business ventures. We know this; they ran an article in one of the magazines bragging about it several months after installing Uncle Joe.

So, yes, voters are easily manipulated sheep and dumb to boot. Although I'd have to say it's less to do with being dumb and more to do with being ignorant and uneducated, but then again, the party that won controls the teachers in the country too. Is it really any surprise no one knows anything more than the party wants them to?

a reply to: ketsuko

People are attracted to certain personality traits.
Some people love big ego. "You're either 100% loyal to me or I'm going to go out of my way to make your life miserable." Type of attitude.

"You're going to bend the knee and love me. Period. Or else!"

Some folks are attracted to those traits.

Some people are not.

I guess that sums it up.

Obama, through his flaws, was courteous and humble. He spoke intelligently. (Imo)

That's why he's respected in the world more than Trump is.

Ego isn't everything, in fact it's a personal flaw.



* I personally lost respect for Trump when he insinuated that John McCain was in Hell days after he died.. Not that I believe in Hell, but damn!..That was un~ presidential.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I don't recall accusing anyone of anyting definitively,
I always said, 'the jury is out'.

I rather insulted Hillary more than Trump.

Again, I'm not the enemy.

I have a couple brain cells, and I like to learn..

That about sums it up.. I make a poor target.

I grew up on the farm and admired fiscal conservatives
for years..

Neither party has fiscal conservatives any more.. so
I don't much respect either party any more.

When the US goes broke, despite printing money on
their printing press, China will call in thier loans
and we all better be speaking Mandarin by then.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I don't recall accusing anyone of anyting definitively,
I always said, 'the jury is out'.

I rather insulted Hillary more than Trump.

Again, I'm not the enemy.

I have a couple brain cells, and I like to learn..

That about sums it up.. I make a poor target.

I grew up on the farm and admired fiscal conservatives
for years..

Neither party has fiscal conservatives any more.. so
I don't much respect either party any more.

When the US goes broke, despite printing money on
their printing press, China will call in thier loans
and we all better be speaking Mandarin by then.

Kev

China has no ability to 'call any loans'.

Never did.

Maybe time to fire up those brain cells for learning again.


But yes Republicans have obviously been unable to prevent the runaway spending of the democrat party.

That stops in January.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I predict the dems will lose both the house and the senate.

That will leave us with divided government, not able to
get anything done.

That's apparently how the monied interests like to keep
thing paralyzed, while they get their new round of tax
cuts, and both parties give them the tax cuts.

it's disgusting.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

I predict the dems will lose both the house and the senate.

That will leave us with divided government, not able to
get anything done.

That's apparently how the monied interests like to keep
thing paralyzed, while they get their new round of tax
cuts, and both parties give them the tax cuts.

it's disgusting.

61 & 218 is NOT divided in ANY way.

Polling is VERY close to predicting this already, and we haven't even started our engines yet.

At that point Democrats are 100% out of power.

Joe no longer matters at all, and won't last 6 months before removal.

No longer matters what he says or does, what he signs or vetos, at that point he is nothing more than a crash dummy.

Prison is still a remote possibility for joe, nancy, chuck, and adam, among others. Before the end of 2023. Seriously.

Unless we participate in foot shooting, Patriots have already won.

a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Well get out and vote and may the best person win.

Take er easy man.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

a reply to: canucks555


You are obviously unaware of what noname did.

Most people are.

He11 is too good for him.

I said so the instant I learned of his death.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: 1947boomer

Oh please, give it a rest!

We've covered this ground. By all objective measures, Trump is no more or less objectionable personality wise than many of the politicians serving even today. But none of them have sparked this much visceral outrage among people of all kinds.

Yes, people dislike him. *I* dislike him, but I don't vote on like or dislike, never have. If I did, I would have voted for Obama the first time around. I found him likable, but I found his policy positions deplorable.

But I don't find Trump's personality to be any more or less nasty than people like Harry Reid used to be or certain members of The Squad (not AOC, she's just stupid). Rafael Warnock from Georgia is a prize piece of work who ran over his ex girlfriend and is openly racist. We could talk a lot about the Cuomos. And then there are the granddaddy baddies - the Clintons.

Trump is not out of place among them, and you can't say he is any more or less worse in any way. But I don't see them inspiring as much hatred. Only the Clintons come close because they are brazen about their dirt and keep getting away with it.

So this entire topic was just an elaborate excuse to dismiss anyone who is critical of Trump because you don't care what their reasons are. I thought this was supposed to be a genuine prompt but you got me. Nice one.