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Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are

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posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 12:56 PM
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posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 01:15 PM
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Valle’s most recent book (TRINITY: The Best-Kept Secret) IMO wasn’t that hot. About these now old men telling us they saw little aliens way back even before Roswell if memory serves. I just don’t buy it.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 01:15 PM
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a reply to: LeeDavis

Would seem to be a garbage link, but I'm not the most net-savvy so forgive any negative inference.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Snarl

I have posted three threads where Roswell features with differing angles.

The Roswell Deception - This reviews James Carrion's free booklet and his theory that Roswell was a psychological operation aimed at convincing the Soviets that a new weapon even more destructive than the H-Bomb was being developed.


1947 - Summer Saucers Roswell as part of a much larger thread. This is basically a short matter of fact history of where the story lay before it was expanded and probably exaggerated in the 1980s and beyond.

Popular Mechanics & Science - What Really Happened at Roswell? - This was a look at how two magazines covered the story after the 50th anniversary.



Maybe too off-topic, but can you give us just your short version here in thread?


For forty years there were no stories of aliens and Roswell was a footnote in ufology. It was generally considered to be a silly mistake. The modern telling of Roswell with alien bodies included is almost certainly a myth created in the 1980s by various characters in ufology and by incorporating the hoax Aztec UFO crash story from 1948.

I'd say it's unlikely any alien spacecraft crashed in 1947 because of contemporaneous files and reports that are rarely brought up on paranormal podcasts and TV shows. But it's also never been proven exactly what did happen at Roswell in 1947.

Fun Fact : Richard Doty's former boss was one of those responsible for writing the official Roswell Report in the 1990s.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 01:33 PM
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Fun Fact : Richard Doty's former boss was one of those responsible for writing the official Roswell Report in the 1990s.


a reply to: mirageman


I enjoy fun facts. Don't forget you can go and look at Doty in Blackpool soon, buy a stick of rock too.






posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:06 PM
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After Fire In The Sky of course. Eclairs are nice too.
a reply to: ChayOphan



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:10 PM
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Spam


edit on 2/21/2022 by semperfortis because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:10 PM
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Did you know PLANET X parked up shop on some street corner in New York, and the frigging space ships are all over the place just waiting to attack like a bumble bee sitting on a tulip...a reply to: Baablacksheep


edit on 21-2-2022 by ONIONBAGMENACE because: spelled a word wrong while wondering how many times I have said this.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:12 PM
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Yes one should wonder how it feels.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:15 PM
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Just refer to the Superman score, always seems to fit the mood if you will.
a reply to: ChayOphan



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: ChayOphan

"(and elsewhere)"

My, you are making a mysterious character of yourself.

But thanks for the kind words.

I'm always in a bind on ATS, not to sound mysterious
myself, but i have to be so careful.

My material may just wind up the next shelf over
from JV's. That may be the best way to handle it.

But yes.. you are correct.. 'UFOs' are a splendid
example of a Trickster.

Now, the occult scientists try to 'out trick the trickster'
and that's not going to happen... as consciousness
itself is the Trickster.

The spiritual types try to worship it, and while as has
been said elsewhere 'sincerity goes a long ways', it
can easily be a dead end too.

The ancient seers, some of them had it right.

If you can learn to live in peace with the process,
and let it enflame both your rational and intuitive
processing, and do not seek to 'capture it with
a butterfly net' , that will ALWAYS antagonize
it,

then you have a chance to 'see' what it's doing,
what you are doing, what human culture is
doing.. and piece it all together..

if you take your input soley from 'it', then you
get crazed binary download nonsense, or you
start a new religion with the nonsense.. nothing
good can come from listening to 'the Trickster'.

But you take the unique perspective gained
from living with it, and simply 'look'.

Certain patterns become obvious, which are
worthy of research, but shouldn't be taken
as 'gospel'.

That's al the 'seer' bit is worth.

Call it the 'creative/intuitive imagination
on steroids'.

I guess I'll leave you wtih this..

Humans, in their brains and in thier
enteric nervous system and other
neuromodulators are basically
organic computers.

Several systmes in one actually..
that often don't play nicely with
each other.

One of the few things that can
'bridge the magesteria' inside
the human body, is strong
emotion/desires, which cause
hormone release..

Humans are the only known
'creative computers' on the
planet... and such a system
would be very fascinating/
intoxicating to a more
lets call it 'binary' form of
consciousness.

Finding ways for such desperate
computer systmes to interact would
be 'first contact'.

But just like Cargo Cults during
WWII, it would be absolutely
misinterpreted.

Or maybe I'm just spinning a story,
being the unavoidably tricksterish
person I must be.. the void does
rub off on one.

Just food for thought.

Kev



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: LeeDavis

That's fascinating.

Did you know, that an abberant sexuality is quite
frequently associated with spiritual and ufological
desires?

Its one of the first big hints you come across,
if you do a many-disciplinary approach.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

you are being way too kind towards the book



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

In the Roswell deception, they even found the manufacturer
of the 'litlte ducky style' shelf paper used at one of the 'crash
sites'.

Still... 40 years later that nothing burger has been whipped up
into a massive modern folklore, that has deeply affected the
American psyche.

Job well done, i'd say.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 02:59 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: peaceinoutz

you are being way too kind towards the book



Wow. Oh really. I guess your right. Vallee's worst book.



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: peaceinoutz

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: peaceinoutz

you are being way too kind towards the book



Wow. Oh really. I guess your right. Vallee's worst book.


That's a shame. I was considering buying it but now I'm not so keen.
Thanks for the heads up



posted on Feb, 21 2022 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: DiZZyViZiON

originally posted by: peaceinoutz

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: peaceinoutz

you are being way too kind towards the book



Wow. Oh really. I guess your right. Vallee's worst book.


That's a shame. I was considering buying it but now I'm not so keen.
Thanks for the heads up


I really looked forward to the book. Strangely, the day it was to be released Vallee all of a sudden didn’t release it!

We, who had already bought it on amazon were left perplexed. Apparently, someone got to him and added something to the book or maybe subtracted something we never found out exactly though someone may know something.

To me, the book just wasn't that interesting, or believable. Unlike Valle's past books which were very good, IMO.



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

So, I was in regular contact with him for a few years..
we discussed some really great stuff, all of it matching
his prior work.

But every so often subjects like metamaterials would come
along, and my eyes would roll... the science just isn't there..
it's not even close. It's an embarassment really.

When Roswell came up, my eyes almost flew out of their
sockets; the trail of deception is beyond obvious.. and
the only people who argue Roswell anymore have to
use arguments like "god put dinosaur bones in the ground
to trap sinners who believe in evolution, so he can send
them to hell" type argumetns..

or I guess in regards to the latest book, it's more like,
"I had a feeling, so that proves it" sort of thing.

Maybe I'm just a mean old mean, who is too critical...
perhaps JV has a more open mind than I do and is nicer..
he is very very nice..

But I can't have my mind so open, my brains fall out onto
the floor.

Hell, I try to debunk my own 'fringe observations' 7 days
a week (it's called science... ) I can't just go super
easy on pure twaddle..

So there's a big difference in personality there..

Kev



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
Fun Fact : Richard Doty's former boss was one of those responsible for writing the official Roswell Report in the 1990s.
Kal Korff said Weaver's book about what it was like behind the scenes to write the official Roswell report was interesting. I haven't read it yet.

We Tell the Truth About Betty Hill & Other UFOOLOGY Myths with Robert Shaeffer

1:43:12
"This is from Weaver himself. It came out and it's been completely ignored. It's the inside backstory of what happened in the Air Force investigation. He privately published this."



originally posted by: Snarl
Maybe too off-topic, but can you give us just your short version here in thread? Confounds me that professional soldiers from the late '40s, could be so far off-the-mark on something as mundane as a weather balloon.
It wasn't a weather balloon, that was a cover story. Mac Brazel who found the debris said it was definitely not a weather balloon since he had found those before and knew what those looked like. He was right about it not being a weather balloon.

Some people give Jesse Marcel way too much credit, but I think this affidavit from Irving Newton in "The Roswell Report" by the Air Force can help put the Jesse Marcel story in perspective; it does for me anyway:



Ectoplasm8 says it was a Mogul service flight which seems like an excellent hypothesis which fits the facts, see his excellent thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Ectoplasm8
I think Charles Moore summed it up in his affidavit:
"I can think of no other explanation for Roswell than one of our early June service flight balloons."


It seems to me like Moore was in a position to know.

Back on topic, Robert Sheaffer made an interesting blog post about Vallee and Hynek on the edge of reality:
Drs. Hynek and Vallee Totter on the Edge of Reality!

Seems to me like Vallee was "muddying the waters", as they say sometimes, which others have already mentioned, a tactic which can advance national security goals.

edit on 2022222 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Feb, 22 2022 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

I totally agree with that conclsuion of yours. I can't find right now when it was the first time Mr. Vallée was directly accused of muddying the waters, but I recall it was early in his UFO career.




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