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Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are

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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Humans are VERY poor observers and leap to all sorts
of silly conclusions, just to comfort themselves and
re-inforce their personal biases.

Both 'believers' and 'reductionist scientists'.

Plenty of blame to go around.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

" the basic requirement for advancement in this field is sincerity, something they definitely didn’t have in anyone of the meddler’s hearts. So, what they got may be things they didn’t expect."

SUPERBLY SAID and CORRECT.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

"Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are"

Well...thats a honest conclusion...and an expected one because nobody knows. Unless there is a secret US or foreign government department in touch with aliens and hide this for the public.




posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 05:33 PM
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Somebody must know something.
Here’s an analogy of why someone knows
Does a person who on the surface of their life is supposed to be on the up and up with his wife but goes to prostitutes in secret; Assuming the poor wife doesn't know, or the family, does he have a secret?

NO, he doesn’t since the prostitutes know his secret

But then again yes, he does have a secret but it's selective.
So, somebody knows something

So as for secrets...

The secret is that there are no secrets



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 07:15 PM
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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 07:56 PM
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Good seeing you again KPB!
I always look forward to your words.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: 38181

Thanks!

Frankly I'm overrated.
I have a bit of ham-bone in me..
Not as bad as MM, mind you. Man, that guy is something else.

But if you or anyone else has a question for me, I'm generally game..

Kev



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Since you offered...

Any thoughts regarding one apparent theme found throughout UFOlogy, namely the ever-present carrot of technological advancement dangling from the stick of unassailable superiority?

In fact, this same arrangement seems to exist within many, if not all, elements of the paranormal if viewed on the broadest of objective scales. For instance, Sasquatch: undeniably superior by most biological standards and yet biological all the same. But, always just beyond reach...

I both greatly value and anticipate your input.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: ChayOphan
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Since you offered...

Any thoughts regarding one apparent theme found throughout UFOlogy, namely the ever-present carrot of technological advancement dangling from the stick of unassailable superiority?

In fact, this same arrangement seems to exist within many, if not all, elements of the paranormal if viewed on the broadest of objective scales. For instance, Sasquatch: undeniably superior by most biological standards and yet biological all the same. But, always just beyond reach...

I both greatly value and anticipate your input.


That's a great question!

I LOVE when people pull from multiple related disciplines...one of
the problems with UFOlogy is when people only examine purported
'alien ships' and don't examine related phenomenon.

BTW, have you read Joshua Cutchin's books on Faerie lore?
The man did a great job... he and I used to talk back and
forth.. he also mentioend "bigfoot" etc.

Now as to your question..

you might want to read "The Trickster and the Paranormal" by Hansen.

It's common with the 'paranormal' that there is this carrot and the stick
phenomenon.. the carrot is ENDLESSLY out of reach of course...
The stick seems all too real (i.e animal mutilations and abductions).

It happens in spirituality too.. I mean, who ever becomes REALLY
'enlightended'? Who in the hisotry of the world has ever been 'saved'
while still alive... isn't all that good stuff waved around at you
for after you die?

So why?

There are dozens of theories.

My observation, is that the one and identicaal "phenomenon' for
both UFOs, the supernatural and much of spirituality and relgion too..

is 'anti-struture' - it wants to keep jerking our chains and never
letting us capture it and figure it out..

We humans you know, have 'sticks up our behinds' and assume
we know almost everything.

But we don't.

Also, quite interestingly, and I have written papers on it,
is that the phenomenon does these carrot/stick things,
is to get us to produce various kinds of hormes in our
bodies, such as adrenaline, testosterone, oxytocin,
etc.

These hormones intercact with our nervous systems
in interesting ways.. making us more 'manipulable'
by the phenomenon going forward, and sometimes
resulting in paranormal type things in the physical
world..

It does this for 'it's purposes' which often has nothing
to do wtih humans at all! not our future, not our
survival.. but something important to it, but not us.

That's my take on it.

If you study Yoga enough, you will also see that the
'phenomenon' does the same thing in the body
of those who practice certain 'left hand path'
types of spiritual practice.

Did any of that make any sense?

Just my observation. Could be absolutely wrong.

Kev

PS: We DO have to be careful not to absolutely assume
some sort of alien agency to the Phenomenon.. there
are model I've looked at, where interctions between
the 'brain in the stomach', the unconsious mind, the
non-dominant hemisphwere.. the viscertal nevous
system are definitley also involved...

We may in effect be in a war with our own unconscious
minds, and possibly at times, the unconscious minds
of other humans.

More research is needed.
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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 02:50 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Direne

If you aren't willing to die (transform) you don't have
what it takes to get 'clearance'.


Interesting, I read a very similar statement multiple times just last week. I still haven't figured out where or how it fits in my personal ethos, but I suppose that may take more than a week. It rings true to me, but I need to determine why.

You're interceding on behalf of the universe, reminding me to finish that thread. It was a very curious thread.

If you have any insight I'd be happy to hear it.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 03:11 AM
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a reply to: peaceinoutz

You've nailed it down perfectly. But he has not done what you call dirty stuff. He simply did what he was ordered to do: to introduce the paranormal Jungian discourse into the UFO narrative in order for the USG to keep on developing and deploying its military platforms away from public focus. That's what he did. Fortunately, he failed.

Stating UFOs are paranormal events is tantamount as to stating UFOs are non-terrestrial engines: a lie. But it is a necessary lie in terms of national security.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
just like religion and spirituality are the 'golden handcuffs' of those sorts.

Funny thing is ... when someone actually meets God face-to-face. My jaw dropped during my introduction. Shock of reality wore off before I made it back home. Last time 'We met', I was passing along an introduction to a new member of the Knows Without A Doubt Club. The other funny aspect is people don't so much (at least in my experience) go chasing after God post-exposure. 'Seeing' he exists is almost anti-climactic.

Far cooler getting a glimpse beyond the veil. What you see there is as intangible as God Himself, but still all too real ... visual and auditory ... mind-boggling!!

What are UFOs? Who knows? I did like the comment in-thread about the improbability of a crash ... after traveling 'whatever distance' is necessary for them to arrive here on Earth.

Lastly, I've missed seeing your posts, Brother. You're open-mindedness has always made you one of my favs.

Cheers,
Snarl



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: Snarl

Thanks!

Your statement:

"The other funny aspect is people don't so much (at least in my experience) go chasing after God post-exposure. 'Seeing' he exists is almost anti-climactic."

Not bad at all.

It's true. Though the word 'god' tends to mislead people insofar
as what is seen. One COULD certainly use that word.

yes, once the horse escapes the corral... it's done.

Both horse and corral and what's outside, all fit together
in the most brain dead (LOL) manner possible.

MIght as well enjoy life.. just like before it all..

Kev



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

The yogi's explain it in terms of savikalpa
and nirvikalpa samahdi.

But in short, while (at least normally) alive, all your
perceptions are colored by biases.

So in savikalpa you might see jesus or a UFO or
Shakti or Krusty the Klown;

by it's very nature, consciousness is 'conflicted'
and 'conditioned'.

Now Nirvikalpa is like a 'little death'; if you take it
far enough (it turns out that 'it' takes you far
enough),

then you die for a number of minutes,

the conditioning drops away (way past
what a dying brain does)

and you 'see' unconditioned, insomuch as
humans can anyway.

I don't recommend death seeking however..
don't recommend anyone go this far down
a bunny hole.

It's not the sort of thing that humans do
much anymore, and not what the future
will bring for humans overall.

But there you go...

Kev



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Direne

The thing I couldn't get Jacques to understand, is that there is
no 'normal' and there is no 'paranormal'.

Everyone assumes that of necessity either the man or the
butterfly has to be the 'real one'.

Neither is true. Both are true. And that's not metaphysical
garbage.

The same 'reality generator' spins out both the 'real' and the
'unreal'; they have equal epistemological and ontological
status..

Kev



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 11:32 AM
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Most UFOs are hoaxes, misperceptions, illusions, hallucinations and mental aberrations.

No UFOs have been proven to be of other-worldly or extradimensional origin.

All other UFO cases lack sufficient data to prove anything conclusive.

That's about it. Simple!

What is the Frenchman's problem? Why couldn't he work it out?




posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 11:59 AM
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Everyone wants to believe their delusion of choice,
that makes life easier for them, or so they think.

If you threaten their security blanket, they get hostile.

you may recall my saying,

"UFOlogy is the study of government disinformation and
human perceptual errors in modern folklore."

Kev


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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 12:11 PM
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opinion only: the glowing objects which traverse the sky/atmosphere throughout history are the ''phenomena'' we are trying to pin down UFO*

the modern era, 'crafts' include black triangles, flying-wings, egg shaped orbs, disc shaped objects, these UFO$ are radically different than the UFO* in historical contexts

UFO* = real light but caused by objects not-of-this-Time-Space-Continuum

UFO$ = physical crafts 2%, VISIONS 43%, Spirits 27%, Fraud 2%, unknown origin 26%


UFO* are natural projections on the inter-dimension membrane that exists between our physical reality and parallel world

A) shine a flashlight beam on a hanging bed sheet... with a flick-of-wrist the 'orb' traveled at hypersonic speed to the viewer on the backside of the bed sheet, and made impossible turns and reversals, which are usually observed in the average UFO* sighting

thats my view
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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 12:23 PM
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originally posted by: mirageman
What is the Frenchman's problem? Why couldn't he work it out?



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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 12:41 PM
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So if one does their version of my 99% and 1%, there's still
the perceputal hazing issue. I admit it freely.

That 1% is always so crapped up by perception and 'consciousness',
that the very real temptation is to throw baby out with the bathwater.

I can understand if some of the folks I really admire in the UFO forum
would choose to do that.

The old mystics understood the issue well.. they advised their students
to ignore ALL their visions... ALL...

Then a few were given 'enlightened status', often post humously,
and people took thier 'visions' a bit more seriously, then killed
each other over it.... all the while never understanding what
MIGHT have been real (or maybe not!) and conflating it into
whatever they wanted.

We see the same thing happening today.

I take the 1% seriously, but acknowledge the issues... I don't
get upset if an Arby or MM or whomever that I respect wants
to throw out the 1% as well...

It's quite understandable really...

Kev




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