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Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are

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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 09:38 AM
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A lengthy article story about good O’l JV….

Dated February 18 2022

After six globe-trotting decades spent probing “the phenomenon,” the French information scientist is sure of only one thing: The truth is really, really out there.

Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are

Excerpts….

….” A piece of this puddle was now sitting a few inches from Platzer’s plate. The mystery, Vallée said, was where the material came from originally. Metallurgical analyses at the time showed that it consisted mostly of iron, with traces of carbon, titanium, and other elements—basically, steel alloy scrambled to what looked like cast iron. It couldn’t be satellite debris or equipment falling from a plane, Vallée pointed out; those wouldn’t have gotten hot enough to melt, and they would have cratered the ground. Nor, for the same reasons, could it be a meteorite. And there wasn’t enough nickel for a meteorite anyway.”….

…..” And the shallot-sized lump of metal from Council Bluffs? It was made of isotopically ordinary elements, atypically mixed together. The Progress in Aerospace Sciences paper, which was published in December 2021, was never meant to be “a breakthrough about what UFOs are,” Vallée told me. It wasn’t meant, L’Aigle-style, to pummel an entire town with rocks. It is “a template,” he said, “for what serious UFO research could be in the future, if one plays by the rules.” He and Nolan are now studying samples for potential follow-up papers. “You have to open the door first, before you can bring in the packages,” he said.

Whatever the scientific truth here is, Vallée suspects that it may be knotted up with the secret of consciousness itself. The thing that philosophers call qualia—the conscious experience each human has—seems to be more than the sum of our physical parts. There’s an unsolved x there. Vallée’s friend Federico Faggin, for one, argues that consciousness is a basic property of nature, that the dimensions we call spacetime are in fact byproducts of some deeper reality. Maybe UFOs, Vallée suggests, are that reality welling up into ours.

When he read Mystérieux Objets Célestes for the first time, as a teen, Vallée wrote in his diary, “I will probably die without seeing any solution to this immense problem.” A decade later, after watching the moon landing, he copied down a line from Jung’s Alchemical Studies, about how life’s biggest problems “can never be solved, but only outgrown.” It’s still a long way to a place like the Museum of the L’Aigle Meteorite in Normandy, where dark fragments of a proven reality rest, like truffles, under a glass dome.”…..


Molten underside of the UFO…….from Fire In The Sky



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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 09:41 AM
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Thanks. I enjoy reading his take on the phenomena.

Cheers



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 09:42 AM
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U.S. Intel and the U.S. military are "worried and concerned" because they don't understand UFO technology and what they are capable of.

www.theguardian.com...

Since John Ratcliffe is a straight shooter, his words are honest and troubling.




posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Mysterious Valley...another good one.

I think Jacques and Bigelow...if they don't know by now...nobody does.

Thx O...best, MS



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 10:03 AM
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Two questions that bake the noodle of occult scientists:

1) Why cannot the behavior of the 'phenomenon' be understood.
2) what is with the dual nature of (seeming) hard physical effets and 'psychic effects' at the same time.

There are releatively simple answers to these and related questions,
but they don't fit the preconceived notions of the researchers.

But I have nothing but sympathy for those researchers.

It's rather a lot like Quantum Mechanics.

Some people just obsess about wave/particle duality, while other, such as
most physicists these days have decided it's best described as a wave,
that can give the appearance of a 'point particle'.

But occult scientists for the most part seem stuck; some just stamp their
little feet and insist upon nuts and bolts craft (the ones that want government
grants to research warp drives), and others want it to be energy creatures
from beyond that need to be shot with Jesus beams.

But the topic is so emtional, so existential for so many, they can't come to
a peace about it.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Terence McKenna (who was friends with Vallee) had some interesting viewpoints. He was very interested in UFOlogy. Although McKenna himself was a scientist, he would criticize dogmatic scientists for their arrogance. He had a funny quote about "the aliens showing up to crash the science party".

The UFO is nothing more than an assertion of herself by the Goddess into history, saying to science and paternalistically governed and driven organizations: You have gone far enough. We are going to turn the world upside down. Your science is going to be shown up for what it is, nothing more than a pleasant metaphor usefully extrapolated into the production of toys for healthy children. That's what science is good for. It is not some meta-theory at whose feet every point of view from astrology to acupressure to channeling need be laid to have the hand of science announce thumbs up or thumbs down.
— Terence McKenna



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: ColeYounger

That is a truly beautiful quote.

As it so happens, just yesterday, I wrote an academic paper
on this very topic for a university professor.

Old Terence was no fool.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 11:10 AM
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Some mystics speak about the 'goddess' living inside them, and some UFO
people speak about being infected by the 'Phenomenon'.

My paper demonstrated that it's two factets of the same thing.

Nothing new under the sun.

Kev



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 11:46 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

He doesn't know because he has no right to know. No clearance, no info. That's how it goes.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: Direne

I tend to agree on that one.







posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 12:05 PM
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a reply to: Direne

If one gives any credence to any of the mystical systems,
there's a very well-known thing, but it's a more ancient
concept.

If you aren't willing to die (transform) you don't have
what it takes to get 'clearance'.

These occult scientists don't appear to have what it
takes to 'get clearance'.

Science being their 'golden handcuffs', just like
religion and spirituality are the 'golden handcuffs'
of those sorts.

Of course, if one truly believes in the worst
ship-builders in the Unvierse flying here just
to crash, then yes, it's also accurate to
say that JV and his buddies woulnd't have
government clearance for that sort of thing
either.

Being a hobbiest doesn't get you very far
in either realm.

Kev



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 12:56 PM
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Another lost opportunity to ask about and maybe clear up some of the shadier side of ufology that Monsiuer Vallee has been involved in. Or at least alleged to be involved in.

● He was supposedly involved in programming and then delivering a computer to Paul Bennewitz with Allen Hynek in 1982. This was part of an Air Force intelligence operation to encourage Bennewitz to believe in a coming alien invasion and eventually sent him insane.

● He wrote about the two Bob's [Lazar and Bigelow] joining forces to form the Zeta Reticuli company in the early 1990s in his book Forbidden Science 4. Claiming Bigelow ended the operation when he found out Lazar was using emuslifier not element 115.



No one ever delves further into his views on the two Bob's. Or even why Bigelow's story varies from his own on Lazar.

● Which leads me onto another point. Why was JV part of negotiations between BAASS [Bigelow's company that oversaw AWSAP and AATIP] and MUFON. MUFON directors at the time were not aware that the Pentagon was funding operations. Except for John Schuessler who, for reasons unknown, declined to tell anyone else in MUFON.


MUFON- BAASS Contract negotiations: Las Vegas, NV, Jan. 2009 BAASS: Hal Puthoff and Jacques Vallee, MUFON: John Schuessler.

See Curt Collin's site : Breaking the Silence: AATIP's Secret Partner Speaks for all the details on that one.

Until or unless these issues are cleared up, then a e finger of suspicion of collusion with MIC will exist.

But no one ever asks.



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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: Direne
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

He doesn't know because he has no right to know. No clearance, no info. That's how it goes.


A younger JV has said …..”I will probably die without seeing any solution to this immense problem.”…..

Not having a clearance would be a contributing factor, to his prediction.

Hynek dead
Friedman dead
Other’s dead

How many others will die without knowing?

Perhaps death is the key to knowing! but then, who has come back from the dead to tell us they exist? Jesus?

JV is ripening on the tree of life and at some point will fall to rot.

No one dies peacefully when questions are left unresolved in the dying mind….imo.

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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 01:44 PM
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Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are


Neither does anybody else.

Or at least, they don’t know enough to convey its reality to others.

Maybe that’s the point.

Some things can’t be conveyed to others by others…

Can one convey the reality of puberty to children who haven’t had the chemicals come into their system yet?

No




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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

Vallee has always been a government guy.

He has contempt, maybe justified, for the UFO cultist of a crazy kind such as Bill Cooper and Paul Bennewitz.
And Vallee’s friends Puthoff and Green and others (attached to the IC) were into the tampering with UFO weirdos they deemed fit to examine and use as if they were some kind of test tube subjects.

Vallee was like the good guy in the good cop bad cop duo of UFO government meddlers so he can’t come out and tell us any dirty stuff he may have done, that is IF he has done some, which admittedly isn’t totally clear but unfortunately, we have to suspect him do to his associations.

Maybe that is unfair but it’s a reality we can’t ignore.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Interestingly, the government apparently did send some of their meddlers to the shaman to get “higher knowledge” or occult inner experience to determine its relationship to this phenomenon. John Alexander for one. And likely what they found out, if anything, is that the basic requirement for advancement in this field is sincerity, something they definitely didn’t have in anyone of the meddler’s hearts. So, what they got may be things they didn’t expect.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: mirageman

"But no one ever asks."

I ASKED.

I talked to JV about Bennewitz, and that hand cleaner that BL
putward as magic unicorn dreat.

But yes.. your point is very valid.

Nobody wants to ask the hard questions from the grand old man
of UFOlogy, our UFO Picard figure.

He really is a sweet man and a good hugger.

He's definitely one of those "you catch more flies with honey
than vinegar" sorts..

if you refuse to turn your nose up at pure twaddle or nonsense
sometimes, you there's the 1% interesting thing in there..

I've actually mined a bit of significant stuff off of ATS for
example.

But yes.. Mr. Vallee just won't call a turd a turd, 19 times in 20.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Are they the "Mainstream scientists" who also deny that Pyramids were helped by a ancient lost technology? these same Mainstream scientists have no problems dissing the UFO and other UFO reports as either of the following.
-Meteors
-Shooting Stars.
-Cloud.
-Musk Star link.
-Space Junk.
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posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Death, at least for say 5 minues, is a known and valid
part of some lesser known practices.. just to answer
your question there.



posted on Feb, 19 2022 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: peaceinoutz



Jacques Vallée Still Doesn’t Know What UFOs Are


Neither does anybody else.

Or at least, they don’t know enough to convey its reality to others.

Maybe that’s the point.

Some things can’t be conveyed to others by others…

Can one convey the reality of puberty to children who haven’t had the chemicals come into their system yet?

No





Bingo.

Back when I was in the Kundalini cult, my mentor would say,
"a non-enlightened mind cannot understand what an enlightened mind
understands".

Now, in a sense that's twaddle. But in another sense, I truly do not understand
the quantum wavefunction math like i should..



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