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President Biden says he is 100 Percent Certain Vladimir Putin Has Decided to Invade Ukraine.

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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 03:07 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: anonentity

The President of Ukraine hit "The West" pretty hard yesterday for being short-sighted in its eagerness to hit Russia with "crippling" sanctions. He said Russia can choke off parts of Europe's commerce and trigger global price increases, if Putin chose to retaliate.

Does Russia really have that much power over the global, or the European economy?



Unless democrats get out of the way of US providing the gas they need, YES.

russia can absolutely cripple Europe's economy and cause many millions of deaths without firing a shot.

Which is the EXACT reason that democrats have gone bamn to prevent U.S. gas from reaching Europe for over a decade.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: anonentity

The President of Ukraine hit "The West" pretty hard yesterday for being short-sighted in its eagerness to hit Russia with "crippling" sanctions. He said Russia can choke off parts of Europe's commerce and trigger global price increases, if Putin chose to retaliate.

Does Russia really have that much power over the global, or the European economy?



Unless democrats get out of the way of US providing the gas they need, YES.

russia can absolutely cripple Europe's economy and cause many millions of deaths without firing a shot.

Which is the EXACT reason that democrats have gone bamn to prevent U.S. gas from reaching Europe for over a decade.



Then Europe should just stay out of the entire Russia vs Ukraine relationship.

Joe Biden cares so much because he wants to ensure the financial crimes committed in Ukraine by his family, Mitt Romney, Nancy Pelosi, and (one other I can't recall), STAY HIDDEN. That's why Biden's biggest concern is that Putin will remove Zelensky and put a Putin-friendly guy in charge of Ukraine.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 03:29 AM
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a reply to: carewemust


That was EXACTLY the approach taken by Trump.

Tell EU to stay on the sidelines regarding Ukraine, while also maintaining the ability for the U.S. to supply enough gas in an emergency.

Democrats did EXACTLY the opposite of both, and may yet have actual blood on their hands as a result.

Intentionally.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 05:09 AM
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Some forum members wrote that Russia's invasion of Ukraine will begin during the Olympics.

Then other members of the forum wrote that the invasion would begin after the Olympics because Putin did not want to upset his Chinese friend.

So the closing ceremony of the Olympiad will begin in about an hour.

I wonder what versions we will read here if Russia does not attack Ukraine in February?

By the way, Ukrainian political scientist Dmitry Dzhangirov today expressed the opinion that the relocation of the American embassy from Kiev to Lviv opens up the possibility of destroying documents testifying to the participation of Ukrainians and the US embassy in Ukraine in interference in Trump's 2016 election campaign and the activities of Hunter Biden.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 05:18 AM
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a reply to: turretless


The invasion will not take place.

Javelins.


Not sure if russia ever intended to further invade Ukraine, but putin knew it wasn't possible once the first Javs arrived.

Democrats also knew, this has been joe trying to improve his 30% polling.


edit on 20-2-2022 by PatriotGames4u because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 06:00 AM
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originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

but putin knew it wasn't possible once the first Javs arrived.


I doubt that the Javelins are capable of stopping something, especially the Russian army.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 06:54 AM
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originally posted by: turretless

originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

but putin knew it wasn't possible once the first Javs arrived.


I doubt that the Javelins are capable of stopping something, especially the Russian army.



One shot one kill, day or night, in any weather conditions, even with a 12 year old 'pulling the trigger', and with a longer range than any russian tank, of which only the roughly 80 (not a typo) T14s have not already been proven to launch their turret in the air when hit from any direction by a Javelin.

Try YouTube, they used to have lots of videos of T90s launching turrets upon being Javed. You should enjoy the suddenly Turretless russian tanks.

T14 'may' be a 'little' less vulnerable, but russia has been careful to hide the 80 or so they have operational from enemy forces until now. Worst case, we send a few aircraft to destroy those 80 tanks.

We sent 1.5 Javs for for every russian tank on the Ukrainian border.

Keep sending tanks, we'll keep sending Javelins. We have plenty.

If russian armored forces enter what's left of Ukraine, they'll be walking home. Some of them anyway.

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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 07:15 AM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Why do you think that tanks will go first?

In my opinion, drones will fly in first and identify people with javelins.

After that, these people and the shelters in which they hid will be destroyed by some kind of weapon firing from tens of kilometers away.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 07:35 AM
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originally posted by: turretless
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

Why do you think that tanks will go first?

In my opinion, drones will fly in first and identify people with javelins.

After that, these people and the shelters in which they hid will be destroyed by some kind of weapon firing from tens of kilometers away.



More likely they would lead with artillery since the russians have NO idea what types and quantity of air defense systems we deployed in the region, and I'm not telling them here.

But either way, it's just not possible to target Javelins, too small and portable with zero electronic emissions until seconds before firing.

Putin can certainly destroy what's left of Ukraine and kill millions of innocent civilians, but they can not invade without tanks, and they cannot use tanks when Javelins are present.

If they are lucky enough to hit a lot of Javelins, we could just airdrop thousands more. They are THAT portable and affordable.

We have enough on hand for every tank on the planet.

x3.

Putin knows better, and has no record of giving suicidal orders to his forces.

No invasion is possible.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

After a shameful flight from Afghanistan, talking about excellent Javelins...



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 08:00 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

The President of Ukraine hit "The West" pretty hard yesterday for being short-sighted in its eagerness to hit Russia with "crippling" sanctions.


Well, Zelensky may have a point. What the EU and the west in general fear is that it's their only playing card short of military involvement escalation, and if they play it now, it's war.


originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

He said Russia can choke off parts of Europe's commerce and trigger global price increases, if Putin chose to retaliate.


It doesn't really matter who pulls the trigger, whether Russia cuts off their only really valid source of income - which would hurt their people more than the rest of the world - or the west sanctions them, worldwide markets would take a huge hit.


originally posted by: PatriotGames4u

Does Russia really have that much power over the global, or the European economy?


Global economy, only indirectly as it would drive crude and natural gas prices pretty high. The EU in particular? Yes as most of the homes and businesses in the EU are heated by Russia's natural gas....it's why the timing window for Putin is narrow, once it starts to get warmer, his hold on the EU begins to wane.
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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Russia isn't going to start WWlll over a gas line.

making biden look even more senile would be a political win, a massive one.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: PatriotGames4u

"affordable" Javelins...

"A plane loaded with 300 Javelin missiles worth some $50 million landed in capital Kiev late Tuesday, the third part of a $200million shipment of American military aid that is being sent to help its ally."

www.defenseindustrydaily.com...

$50000000/300= $166666.67



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 08:57 AM
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Indeed, it will cost russia, allot of time and money and lives on both sides just to conquer kiev. More than likely they would attempt to bombard the hell out of it (Siege) with artillery and air. Attempting to roll in with tanks and infantry would be very messy and costly. At this point the Cold War type of posturing to get what you want is in full effect. It’s not a bad way of thinking putin, won’t invade Ukraine, but is rather trying to scare threaten war to get a agreement, land etc. to prevent war. The Germans did it in the 30’s so this isn’t a new strategy. It’s hard to tell what’s gonna happen. Personally in my opinion america, should stay outta this mess, NATO did renege, on their agreement from the fall of the Berlin Wall, by extending nato countries literally on Russia’s borders now. So for me understanding the politics behind this Russian, exercise is not hard to understand. Doesn’t make it right, but at least it makes sense.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: Bicent

NATO did renege, on their agreement from the fall of the Berlin Wall


Where is this "agreement"? 90's era Baker?

Amazing how people forget history, or worse, try to comment on history they were never a part of...



Ten years later, in an interview with the German newspaper Bild, Gorbachev complained that the West had tricked Moscow. "Many people in the West were secretly rubbing their hands and felt something like a flush of victory -- including those who had promised us: 'We will not move 1 centimeter further east,'" he was quoted as saying.

Gorbachev later appeared to reverse himself, saying the subject of enlargement in fact never came up in 1989 or 1990. "The topic of 'NATO expansion' was never discussed; it was not raised in those years. I am saying this with a full sense of responsibility. Not a single Eastern European country brought up the issue, not even after the Warsaw Pact had ceased to exist in 1991," he told the newspaper Kommersant in October 2014.


Even Gorbachev said there was no agreement


originally posted by: Bicent

by extending nato countries literally on Russia’s borders now.


NATO didn't "extend" onto Russia's borders, newly Sovereign states willingly joined NATO as member states. NATO doesn't go around holding states hostage until they acquiesce.


originally posted by: Bicent

So for me understanding the politics behind this Russian, exercise is not hard to understand.


I strongly suggest then getting a new perspective, so you can have a better understanding


originally posted by: Bicent

but at least it makes sense.


Nope it sure doesn't.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 09:22 AM
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Currently there is a US Rivet Joint patrolling over Ukraine I've been monitoring the air space and this is the 1st US plane in a while the Rivet Joint is Recon



Rivet Joint reconnaissance aircraft supports theater and national level consumers with near real time on-scene intelligence collection, analysis






posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: turretless
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

"affordable" Javelins...

"A plane loaded with 300 Javelin missiles worth some $50 million landed in capital Kiev late Tuesday, the third part of a $200million shipment of American military aid that is being sent to help its ally."

www.defenseindustrydaily.com...

$50000000/300= $166666.67



160k sounds about right.

That is EXTREMELY affordable for the U.S.

Not even chump change.

Especially when each one is likely to destroy exactly one 2m russian tank.

We could send a thousand more today and still not need a budget request for replacements.



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: turretless
a reply to: PatriotGames4u

After a shameful flight from Afghanistan, talking about excellent Javelins...



Fortunately, U.S. troops ignored biden's order to leave everything on base.

They knew better and made sure not a single Jav fell into enemy hands.

Weapon systems and soldiers didn't have ANYTHING to do with what biden did in Afghanistan, BIDEN and democrats did that all by themselves.

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posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 10:36 AM
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This is has been simulated for years. With modifications during recent times and events leading up to now.

Russia knew ahead of time. So did the west.

But things can go hairy from both sides in Ukraine and Russia is there at the border.

I’m sure if Russia really wanted a false flag, it can really do so covertly and vice versa.

Look at Bush and Iraq in the 2000s. They didn’t have full international support and went in anyway and took out Saddam etc.

Currently things are at bay. Currently. Until background talks completely hit a wall. Then it’s all systems go on the eastern side of Ukraine at the least.

IMO



posted on Feb, 20 2022 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Imhere


Would mean the end of Russia's armored forces within a week or so.

And that's the BEST case scenario for russia, that we only destroy what putin sent into Ukraine.

Doubt it would work out that well for him.

Putin has no history of giving his troops suicidal orders, and won't do it here.




Did you miss what happened the last couple times an enemy put tanks out in the open for attacking us?

We are MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better at it now.

If the U.S. was leading the way (we are not, and should not, but will if necessary), destroying the tanks and troops russia was so nice to mass on Ukraine's border for us wouldn't take more than a day.



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