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Invading Ukraine may never have been Putin’s aim the threat alone advance Russia’s goals

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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:33 PM
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Ive been seeing this perspective over and over, are we judging Russia by "Cold War" type standards. I'll just say some of the older generation perhaps is doing exactly that.

If you listen it makes sense again from the Russian perspective, it's about not being put behind a NATO wall separated economically from Europe. FWIW we deal with China, we ought to deal more openly with Russia. Not saying trust them just give them some room and see where it goes. Not to mention Ive also seen reports that during these Russian exercises, they are basically showcasing their weapons capabilities to sell to other countries. Other countries have representatives watching these exercises, we must remember Russia no doubt offers training services.

It all may be just a big commercial for the Russian military.

theconversation.com...

An invasion is not the only way the crisis in Ukraine can play out.


A diplomatic solution may yet provide an off-ramp for Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose placement of tens of thousands of troops along Russia’s border with its smaller neighbor kicked off the current crisis.

Indeed, the leaders of Russia and Ukraine have throughout the now 20-week-long crisis accused the U.S. and U.K. of stirring panic with talk of an imminent invasion.

Invasion may never have been the point. One interpretation is that President Putin mobilized his soldiers and sailors primarily to force a dialogue with the West over what the spheres of influence and interest in Eastern Europe should be.

As a scholar who has spent his entire career studying Russian history, I see the current crisis in a broader context. If you zoom out from the events of the past few weeks, it is possible to see this dangerous standoff as part of the continuing fallout from the disintegration of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s. Some 30 years on, the architecture of what is supposed to be the “new world order” is still being built.

Russia is a regional power in decline and feels insecure. If countries were able to experience emotions, Russia’s dominant feeling would be, I believe, humiliation. It feels it is a victim of Western expansion and wants a restoration of its lost influence.




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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:45 PM
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If I was Poland or Hungary I'd leave EU and NATO ties completely, and join a federation with Russia rather.

Who needs those globalist clowns with their open borders and culturally suicidal academic and media practices anyway?



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: halfoldman

This is the same EU union which will force Ukraine, Poland and other Eastern European Countries to accpet migrants/refugees down the future. EU along with NATO had being expanding towards the East.

I wouldn't even refer the EU as a Union anymore. It is looking like a European Federal/Federation of states.


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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Oh? So Putin has not forced migrants on Poland to suit his goals?

BBC News - Belarus migrants: Poland PM blames Russia's Putin for migrant crisis
www.bbc.co.uk...

Don't hate the source. There's video.



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: vNex92
Agreed, just saying, In their shoes I'd align with Russia, and send the EU packing completely.
I mean the trembling in boots just about a drill shows Russia has emerged again as a binary power to the "West" (which seems less and less desirable to even be part of these days anyway).

With certain demographics now unwanted at public universities even in Canada and the US these days due to affirmative action and cancel culture, Russia can look forward to a future influx of skilled Western workers too.
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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2



Oh? So Putin has not forced migrants on Poland to suit his goals?

Who opened the doors in 2015? was it Putin or angela merkel?




Poland PM blames Russia's Putin for migrant crisis

You mean that Poland that is boot licking to NATO/US because of geopolitical interests?
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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: halfoldman

A "drill"?!!!!

Lots of posters suddenly being Putin chearleaders, and apologists.

Hmmmm?



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Talking 2021, here.



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

So, Putin nothing to do with sending migrants to Poland's border.

I get it.

Putin, good.

NATO/ US, evil.



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Is there proof Putin sent the "migrants" there (actually it was the the Belarusian-Polish border)?
Before Covid lock-down around March 2020, they were at the Greek/Turkish border with the same performance applauded by globalist leftist media and "NGOs".
Was that also Putin?
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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: halfoldman
a reply to: vNex92
Agreed, just saying, In their shoes I'd align with Russia, and send the EU packing completely.
I mean the trembling in boots just about a drill shows Russia has emerged again as a binary power to the "West" (which seems less and less desirable to even be part of these days anyway).

With certain demographics now unwanted at public universities even in Canada and the US these days due to affirmative action and cancel culture, Russia can look forward to a future influx of skilled Western workers too.


You are living in a fantasy world.

From:

www.atlanticcouncil.org...

"Human capital is fleeing Russia. Since President Vladimir Putin’s ascent to the presidency, between 1.6 and 2 million Russians – out of a total population of 145 million – have left for Western democracies. This emigration sped up with Putin’s return as president in 2012, followed by a weakening economy and growing repressions. It soon began to look like a politically driven brain drain, causing increasing concern among Russian and international observers."

The smart people don't want to live in the kleptocracy that Russia has become.



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:12 PM
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a reply to: halfoldman

Nice straw man.

Belarus.

Their President is a delightful chap. Just like his boss Putin.

For you, the Sun seems to shine out their bottoms.



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: 1947boomer
We shall see.

But the way higher education is going now in Canada and the US (see also Prof. Jordon Peterson resigning).

I've seen the brain-drain in South Africa, and with your equally socialist/woke institutions going the same way - all the qualified people are going to go somewhere.

And it's already intimated they'll be welcome.
It might not happen overnight, but give it a chance.
(Actually give it 5 years, and we'll look back on this thread and decide).
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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: vNex92

So, Putin nothing to do with sending migrants to Poland's border.

I get it.

Putin, good.

NATO/ US, evil.



No, pay attention to NATO/US/RUSSIA/EU/CHINA/ we shouldn't trust any of them without independent verification

are all on the same level of scumminess, I love my country but it's got warts and moles like every country does.

it's about getting stability back and taking care of the economy that another worldwide emergency you have been pissing yourself over the last 2 years has ruined.

ergo Im, not pro-Putin or anti-Biden Im anti-war in Ukraine right now, there are degrees to every situation.


and yes those eastern European states probably have lots more in common with Russia than the rest of old Europe who will look down their noses at them.
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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:24 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: vNex92

So, Putin nothing to do with sending migrants to Poland's border.

I get it.

Putin, good.

NATO/ US, evil.


Frustrating isn't it?

Let me see if I can clear it up a bit.
This is MY view and mine alone, not speaking for anyone else.

Putin- BAD!, and a die hard Nationalist.

Globalist controlling NATO/US currently- EVIL TURDS from the pits of Hell.

In Putin's case, everything he does is about Russia being on top.

In the Evil warmongering Globalist world, they want the entire world and it's people to conform to their vision.
They want ultimate power and control of EVERYTHING, including who lives and who dies.

Putin probably feels and wants some of the same things they do, just not on a global scale.
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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

Old Farty is / was testing the waters. He thought slo joe was ate up with it and wouldn't say anything or push other NATO countries into a defensive mode, slo joe is ate up with it, but his handlers aren't. They know that if russia starts taking back territory, being the the criminal farty is he is wanting to dominate europe economically and control it and the people.

Farty has said more than once the worst thing that happened to mother russia is the loss of territory it once had. He wants it back.

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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Quadrivium

But it's Putin that is parking his tanks and a massive force on the borders of a sovereign state?



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Quadrivium

But it's Putin that is parking his tanks and a massive force on the borders of a sovereign state?

And he has been doing so for YEARS. It's not like he just moved them there. They have been on the border, in varying numbers (sometimes more, sometimes less) for a long time.
Look at the phone call between Biden and Zelensky a few weeks ago:

However, Zelensky told Biden in the call that Ukraine did not agree with the US assessment, and that it was bringing panic that could later bring economic hardship to Ukraine, CNN reported, citing a senior Ukrainian official.

Zelensky also told Biden to "calm down the messaging," CNN reported, citing the official.


Globalist want fear. They want the people of the world submissive. They achieve the submission by using fear. They want the economies of the 'western world' to tank sparking more fear. It is a form of psychological warfare. It is the way they will 'Build Back Better', it is how they will achieve their 2030 goal.
ETA link:
www.businessinsider.com...


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posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: putnam6

"and yes those eastern European states probably have lots more in common with Russia than the rest of old Europe who will look down their noses at them."

Yet Ukraine remains fiercely independent and does not want to be reassimilated back into Mother Russia?

Should we not respect that choice?

I'm definitely anti war.

It would be catastrophic.

But that's Putin's choice.



posted on Feb, 17 2022 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: Quadrivium

"And he has been doing so for YEARS. It's not like he just moved them there."

Come off it. In the numbers now moved there, as in recently?

As in yes, he has just moved them there.

Like, an invasion force?




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