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Today's the Day! Canadians Needed in Ottawa NOW!!! NO CHILDREN!!

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posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: ColeYounger
a reply to: TerryMcGuire




If Trudeau and the Canadian government were really fascist, they would have rounded up those people who have been blocking the streets of Ottawa weeks ago and put them in camps.


There's a thing called "soft fascism" where they don't need to use physical violence, because they don't have to. They "cancel" you. They take away your freedoms and your right to earn a living. They won't let you fly, they won't let you work, etc.


I suppose it can be seen this way. However, how does one distinguish between this so called ''soft fascism'' and any other socially required conformity. Was it soft fascism back in the 1960s when a young man could not get a job if he had long hair because I remember being canceled from job opportunities for having long hair. And for wearing a beard. How about a young woman who wanted to die her hair purple and not even being considered for a job because of it.

Sure, I know, it needs to be government orchestrated. But the job I was turned down from was a government job. I"m not whining, just saying. This soft fascism to me is just the way of the world. We both know by now that it's not just government that is pushing all of this, it's more the corporate state with government as a tool to accomplish it. So calling Trudeau or Biden or even Trump as a fascist to me serves no purpose other than to shut down the thinking capacity of those of us who would oppose them.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:14 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

Good question. I'm praying he gets removed from office by the appropriate authorities before peaceful protestors get hurt.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

I agree. And although turdeau has unquestionably spewed genocidal policies he doesn't have the guts to tienemen square our citizens yet as there's still enough loyal Canadian in our military who might not allow it. That's all that's keeping us relatively safe as we sleep. But that security is quickly being stripped away and the it's going to be too late. Flood the streets with protesters. Lay down, chain yourselves film everything, get the word out. These streets belong to us.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:17 PM
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a reply to: ConcernedCanadian

Thanks for that. Yes, this is our country, all of us. I pray authorities will stand up for us.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:21 PM
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Still think all currently in Ottawa should go ok and slowly roll out of town as a whole set of completely new people slowly roll into town.

Same message different protesters start applying the blockage until forced to move and then repeat. Are we all allowed to protest peacefully?



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:23 PM
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originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: The2Billies

Good question. I'm praying he gets removed from office by the appropriate authorities before peaceful protestors get hurt.


I just looked it up, the people of Canada have no power to vote out or remove Trudeau.

However, the House of Commons can bring a vote of "no confidence".
SOOO if every Canadian who is upset at the totalitarian/fascist/authoritarian actions by Trudeau hounds their representative in the House of Commons - to the point where they call for a vote of "no confidence"
Then Trudeau must resign or dissolve parliament altogether and make everyone run again, including himself.

So it is nearly impossible to get rid of dictator Trudeau without hundreds of millions of citizens calling and complaining to their representative in the House of Commons, even then the representatives may want their jobs bad enough to ignore the will of the people.

Basically Trudeau is dictator for life if he really wants it, and he knows it. That is the way I read the Canadian law.

I could be wrong and would gladly stand for a correction.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:25 PM
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a reply to: zosimov

I agree that Canada is demonstrating what can be considered those characteristics, hence the statement from your last quote, ''Thus scholars often disagree on the precise definition of fascism.''

I"m no scholar though I have read my fair share of information about those Axis Powers. For me, labeling something Fascist is very limiting, in that it focuses on a specific area and a specific time when those attributes coalesced into that specific definition. And that specific definition cannot possibly encompass the nature of necessary governance at this time, eighty years later. Do we face dangerous times? Yes indeed. The almost headlong thrust to centralized authoritarianism is a constant threat, but just calling it Fascist is an under estimation and a rather diverting miss-conception.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire
Because that's what Hitler did when he came to power right?

He flat out told everyone what he was going to do. The whole world is watching Canada, I for one are glad that this keeps Trudeau and his minions in check.

If there wasn't such a fuss and media coverage, for what the media is a t fault themselves, what you wish for would be truth long ago.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: ancientlight

Hey ancient? Have you ever found me to defend the actions of those rioters and looters OR governmental bodies that allowed it to go on for as long as it did?

Would it be constitutional for one individual to protest by peacefully laying their body down in the middle of an intersection of any city for even an hour, let alone for three weeks? Should local authorities just say, '' ok, peaceful demonstrator so let them just lay there''? Of course not. So why allow it by several hundred or a thousand.

And what is a terrorist anyway? Protesting by shutting down the center of a city to my way of thinking would be protesting. But shutting it down for this long with promises of keeping it shut down forever, again to my mind, must be labeled something more than merely protesting. I don't know as I have heard the label ''terrorist'' put on the truckers and other folk though. Have they really?



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:48 PM
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Don’t stress Terry. All in good time.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:49 PM
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posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

We just had an election in the fall, which is normally when politicians are voted in or out. The opposition can introduce a motion of no confidence, which is then voted on by the house of reps. Your understanding of the process is correct. Hundreds of millions of citizens complaining to their MPs might be difficult in Canada as our country has a population of 38~ million.

That being said, the vast majority of Canadians aren't in favor of blockades at the border or in Ottawa. Peaceful protest is protected and critical to a democratic society. If everyone moved off the road and onto the lawn, none of this would be happening. Anarchy is not the answer.

Disclaimer -

whaddabout BLM...

I'll re-iterate....

Anarchy is not the answer now, and it wasn't the answer then.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: lSkrewloosel

I see what you are saying here Skrew. I have been calling it a juggernaut. William Butler Yeats called it '' and what Rough Beast?''

As far as the ''stepping outside of the law'' with the mandates that these protests were originally about, well I agree with those assertions. I am against the mandates for both masks and vacs. However, the point of specific protests is to demonstrate to the populace that a certain amount of fellow citizens are either pro or con an issue being presented to the citizenry. To catch the attention of the media to the degree that it is presented to the general public.

I think that threshold has been made. More and more the general population has been falling away from the necessity of following those even volunteer mandates here on this continent at least. The message has gotten out and people are deciding on their own and isn't that what we all want, for people to think on their own?

So now that that message has been made, has gotten out, it's time to move those trucks and get on with it. That is unless those truckers are after something else, which appears may be the case. The Canadian government has allowed it to go on, but now it appears that what the truckers are now after is a general uprising. After three weeks the public opinion which as moved on the mask mandate does not appear to agree with the shut it all down message, hence law enforcement is beginning to put an end to it.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 02:59 PM
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a reply to: TerryMcGuire

What Terror have they brought?

Blowing people up, running people over, setting fire to buildings, random attacks, enforcing unnecessary medical procedures on people, those are terrorist related crimes.
Preventing you from driving down a street is not terrorism it's inconvenience.


How would you feel if the government mandated you had to give up your organs, if you matched someone who needed a it?
or be isolated from society?



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 03:02 PM
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a reply to: joejack1949

Thank you for confirming what I read that it is nearly impossible to get rid of Trudeau and Canadians are stuck with a far-left totalitarian for Prime Minister.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Ksihkehe

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As I have before I will do again in stating that I do not defend any civil disruption be it at the hands of BLM or Antifa or even peaceful truckers who shut down a city center for weeks on end.

As to it being time o accept that the left has become a global authoritarian organization, well I disagree. That global authoritarian group is not leftist, it is corporate. Corporatism is not leftist or rightist, those are simple tools that help the corporate elite to increase their own strength.

Do I recognize that there are numerous liberal platforms that are being foist on those of us in the West? Of course there are. That has been a rather successful tool over the last few decades but by no means the only tool.

But the time to accept that there is a global authoritarian agenda was several decades ago when we might have had the chance to cut it's throat. But Reagan helped it along as did Bush the First. Then of course was Slick Willy who pretended to be a liberal while cutting the throats of real liberals by pushing the Telecommunications Act allowing for big media to get even bigger in fewer hands.

As for freezing the bank accounts of the truckers, well I must say that they must have had no idea of what they were dealing with when they parked their trucks. Trusting the freeking banking industry with the truckers monetary wealth in the first place was a demonstration of the truckers simplistic naivety. The banking industry for crying out loud, the heart beat of the global authoritarian organization they wish to take down.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 03:22 PM
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Live now. One truck just got removed because authorities threatened the owner, and the owner decided to take the truck back. But two more trucks just came in to replace it right away, and then a third one! lol

www.facebook.com...



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: puzzled2


As I said, I have not heard any one officially calling the terrorists. Has the government labeled them terrorists? Maybe I better go and look it up for myself. Just a second or two.

Ok. What I found was this.

reason.com...

Labeled by some '''Terrorist Financing Act'' it is really the ''Emergencies Act of 1988'' defined below


The Emergencies Act is a law passed by the Parliament of Canada in 1988 which authorizes the federal government to take extraordinary temporary measures to respond to public welfare emergencies, public order emergencies, international emergencies and war emergencies. It asserts that any government action continues to be subject to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the Bill of Rights.

Under the Emergencies Act, the federal Cabinet may declare a national emergency in response to an urgent and critical situation that cannot be dealt with by any existing law, and either is beyond the capability of a province to deal with it or threatens the sovereignty of Canada.


en.wikipedia.org...

So from this level of investigation, the use of this act to freeze those accounts is not an accusation of terrorism.

And I agree with you that preventing someone from driving down the street is not terrorism, however the degree of economic threat brought about by this ''protest'' can easily be seen to rise to the level of threat by that act of 1988

And as for the government mandating me to give up my organs, maybe you have been watching too much of Monty Python's ''The Meaning of Life'' lately.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: The2Billies

It is unlikely for the reasons I listed in my previous post, but it's not unprecidented or even uncommon.

We removed our previous facist dictator, Stephen Harper, in 2011 with a vote of no confidence.

The facist dictator before Harper, Paul Martin, was also removed from his post in 2005 after a vote of no confidence.

Trudeau's daddy was forced to resign in 1974 due to a vote of no confidence, but he was re-elected with a majority in the same year.



posted on Feb, 16 2022 @ 03:47 PM
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Ha! Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly is being accused of abusing his colleagues! What a surprise. Perhaps this is why he resigned.





Sloly's resignation comes as sources tell CBC News he's been accused of bullying and volatile behaviour that has damaged relations with senior leadership and compromised the force's ability to cope with the truck protest.

Multiple sources have told CBC News that Sloly allegedly belittled and berated senior Ottawa Police Service officers in front of their colleagues, and has failed to put forward a solid operations plan to end the crisis.

www.cbc.ca...




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