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Heated Exchange State Dept. and Media on Evidence Russia Fabricating Attacks by Ukraine

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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:25 PM
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Absurd indeed, Im sure none of this aid and loans went towards the military, after all, Eastern European countries always operate on the up and up

Biden made a killing off of Ukraine unless you think Hunter was on the board at Burisima because of Ukrainian Affirmative Action. These kinds of loans and aid don't come cheap.

ua.usembassy.gov...


In pursuit of these objectives, Vice President Joe Biden announced today in Kyiv, Ukraine, that, pending consultation with Congress, the White House plans to commit approximately $190 million in new assistance to support Ukraine’s ambitious reform agenda. This broad assistance package will help Ukraine:

Elevate the fight against corruption through law enforcement and justice sector reform;
Attract investment by streamlining regulations and transparently privatizing state-owned enterprises;
Promote economic growth through better trade capacity and access to capital for small- and medium-size enterprises;
Strengthen energy security by increasing efficiency, transparency, and resilience in the energy sector; and
Build a long-term democratic foundation through Constitutional and good-governance reforms in key sectors.
These funds also will support the critical role of civil society and independent media, as well as the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission as it monitors and verifies agreements in the conflict areas of eastern Ukraine.

With this announcement, the United States now has committed $2 billion in loan guarantees and nearly $760 million in security, programmatic, and technical assistance to Ukraine since the end of the Yanukovych regime in 2014. The proceeds of U.S. loan guarantees have helped Ukraine to stabilize its economy and protect the most vulnerable households from the impact of needed economic adjustments.




Biden made a killing off of Ukraine unless you think Hunter was on the board at Burisima because of Ukrainian Affirmative Action.






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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6


Maybe you weren't paying attention to threads at the time?

These are not cash loans.

They are loan 'guarantees' for specific projects that were approved by the State Department, EU, NATO, and UN.

Payments on those guarantees, if they are ever needed, go to European suppliers if Ukraine is unable to pay, not to potential crazies in Ukraine.

So yes, still absurd.



Got anything else you want debunked?



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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:41 PM
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here's another source..since you don't believe the Democrats

stacker.com...



#9. Ukraine (tie)
Foreign military financing requested allocation (FY2019): $20 million
Foreign military financing allocation (FY2018): $0
Foreign military financing allocation (FY2017): $99 million
Foreign military financing allocation (FY2016): $85 million

In 2014, Ukraine's efforts to join the European Union and NATO military alliance—and move away from Russia's sphere of influence—plunged the nation into violent unrest. Russian forces intervened in the predominantly Russian-speaking eastern part of the country, which led to the annexation of Crimea. The conflict continues to concern the U.S., as Russia maintains its influence in the area with aggressive moves such as the seizure of Ukrainian ships in December 2018.




posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:44 PM
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even huffpost knows

www.huffpost.com...


U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here's Where Some Goes
Paul Blumenthal
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Paul Blumenthal
03/07/2014 10:50am EST | Updated March 7, 2014


WASHINGTON -- As the United States readies $1 billion in loan guarantees to the new government in Ukraine, along with even more aid for reforming elections and cleaning up corruption, one thing is clear: The public is unlikely to know where that money is going for some time, if ever.

Since 1992, the U.S. has sent $3 billion to $5 billion in aid to Ukraine, with only cursory public disclosure. The U.S. State Department operates an online database, ForeignAssistance.gov, but names of foreign recipients are often left out, and entire sections are blank. Furthermore, the disclosure often comes long after the money has been distributed.

"It is incredibly hard to find this kind of information," Nicole Valentinuzzi, communications manager for Publish What You Fund, an international organization promoting transparency for foreign aid.

The main channels of U.S. aid are the State Department; the U.S. Agency for International Department; the National Endowment for Democracy, a nonprofit entity funded through direct appropriations from Congress; and the Millennium Challenge Corporation. Other agencies may provide further funding.




posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6



What does any of that have to do with putin's lie?

Or the current crisis?

We openly sent them military aid in the form of food, blankets and radios.

This propaganda 'source' doesn't say different.

So why use it in a further attempt to support putin's lie?


Got anything else needing debunked?


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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: Ghostsdogood
originally posted by: putnam6


Maybe you weren't paying attention to threads at the time?

These are not cash loans.

They are loan 'guarantees' for specific projects that were approved by the State Department, EU, NATO, and UN.

Payments on those guarantees, if they are ever needed, go to European suppliers if Ukraine is unable to pay, not to potential crazies in Ukraine.

So yes, still absurd.



Got anything else you want debunked?




For somebody that doesn't believe Democrats you sure spout their BS almost word for word, so respectfully "pull the other one",in the future perhaps have sources backing up your opinion besides www.ipulleditoutofmyazz.com

U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here's Where Some Goes
Paul Blumenthal
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Paul Blumenthal
03/07/2014 10:50am EST | Updated March 7, 2014


WASHINGTON -- As the United States readies $1 billion in loan guarantees to the new government in Ukraine, along with even more aid for reforming elections and cleaning up corruption, one thing is clear: The public is unlikely to know where that money is going for some time, if ever.
Since 1992, the U.S. has sent $3 billion to $5 billion in aid to Ukraine, with only cursory public disclosure. The U.S. State Department operates an online database, ForeignAssistance.gov, but names of foreign recipients are often left out, and entire sections are blank. Furthermore, the disclosure often comes long after the money has been distributed.Since 1992, the U.S. has sent $3 billion to $5 billion in aid to Ukraine, with only cursory public disclosure. The U.S. State Department operates an online database, ForeignAssistance.gov, but names of foreign recipients are often left out, and entire sections are blank. Furthermore, the disclosure often comes long after the money has been distributed.

"It is incredibly hard to find this kind of information," Nicole Valentinuzzi, communications manager for Publish What You Fund, an international organization promoting transparency for foreign aid.

The main channels of U.S. aid are the State Department; the U.S. Agency for International Department; the National Endowment for Democracy, a nonprofit entity funded through direct appropriations from Congress; and the Millennium Challenge Corporation. Other agencies may provide further funding.


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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood
originally posted by: putnam6


Maybe you weren't paying attention to threads at the time?

These are not cash loans.

They are loan 'guarantees' for specific projects that were approved by the State Department, EU, NATO, and UN.

Payments on those guarantees, if they are ever needed, go to European suppliers if Ukraine is unable to pay, not to potential crazies in Ukraine.

So yes, still absurd.



Got anything else you want debunked?




U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here's Where Some Goes
Paul Blumenthal
By
Paul Blumenthal
03/07/2014 10:50am EST | Updated March 7, 2014


WASHINGTON -- As the United States readies $1 billion in loan guarantees to the new government in Ukraine, along with even more aid for reforming elections and cleaning up corruption, one thing is clear: The public is unlikely to know where that money is going for some time, if ever.

Since 1992, the U.S. has sent $3 billion to $5 billion in aid to Ukraine, with only cursory public disclosure. The U.S. State Department operates an online database, ForeignAssistance.gov, but names of foreign recipients are often left out, and entire sections are blank. Furthermore, the disclosure often comes long after the money has been distributed.

"It is incredibly hard to find this kind of information," Nicole Valentinuzzi, communications manager for Publish What You Fund, an international organization promoting transparency for foreign aid.

The main channels of U.S. aid are the State Department; the U.S. Agency for International Department; the National Endowment for Democracy, a nonprofit entity funded through direct appropriations from Congress; and the Millennium Challenge Corporation. Other agencies may provide further funding.





And?

Were any of those sending weapons that could threaten russia?

Are any of them hiding where the funding goes?

Are any of them dumb enough to send cash to Ukrainian princes?



None of this nonsense indicates that anyone is arming Ukraine in any way that could ever threaten russians on russian soil.

The lie that putin used to cause this 'crisis'.

That you and msm seem desperate to defend or distract from.



Got anything else in need of debunking?


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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:55 PM
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on lighter note....




posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6
on lighter note....




Why don't we just ask for some extra land near our Moscow embassy, enough to install our silos right there?




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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 07:25 PM
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originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood
originally posted by: putnam6


Maybe you weren't paying attention to threads at the time?

These are not cash loans.

They are loan 'guarantees' for specific projects that were approved by the State Department, EU, NATO, and UN.

Payments on those guarantees, if they are ever needed, go to European suppliers if Ukraine is unable to pay, not to potential crazies in Ukraine.

So yes, still absurd.



Got anything else you want debunked?




U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here's Where Some Goes
Paul Blumenthal
By
Paul Blumenthal
03/07/2014 10:50am EST | Updated March 7, 2014


WASHINGTON -- As the United States readies $1 billion in loan guarantees to the new government in Ukraine, along with even more aid for reforming elections and cleaning up corruption, one thing is clear: The public is unlikely to know where that money is going for some time, if ever.

Since 1992, the U.S. has sent $3 billion to $5 billion in aid to Ukraine, with only cursory public disclosure. The U.S. State Department operates an online database, ForeignAssistance.gov, but names of foreign recipients are often left out, and entire sections are blank. Furthermore, the disclosure often comes long after the money has been distributed.

"It is incredibly hard to find this kind of information," Nicole Valentinuzzi, communications manager for Publish What You Fund, an international organization promoting transparency for foreign aid.

The main channels of U.S. aid are the State Department; the U.S. Agency for International Department; the National Endowment for Democracy, a nonprofit entity funded through direct appropriations from Congress; and the Millennium Challenge Corporation. Other agencies may provide further funding.





And?

Were any of those sending weapons that could threaten russia?

Are any of them hiding where the funding goes?

Are any of them dumb enough to send cash to Ukrainian princes?



None of this nonsense indicates that anyone is arming Ukraine in any way that could ever threaten russians on russian soil.

The lie that putin used to cause this 'crisis'.

That you and msm seem desperate to defend or distract from.



Got anything else in need of debunking?



So essentially all you got is Putin lied so we can lie too...

If Russia did in Mexico exactly whatever you believe NATO and their politicians have done in Ukraine, over the years you would be screaming for an American invasion immediately, but since your indoctrination that all things Russia is bad you come across as Jen Psaki's little sister.

But at least you are a master debunker or a master something ...



posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 07:29 PM
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Was the Gulf of Tonkin incident a FF?

Asking for a friend.



posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 07:54 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Ghostsdogood
originally posted by: putnam6


Maybe you weren't paying attention to threads at the time?

These are not cash loans.

They are loan 'guarantees' for specific projects that were approved by the State Department, EU, NATO, and UN.

Payments on those guarantees, if they are ever needed, go to European suppliers if Ukraine is unable to pay, not to potential crazies in Ukraine.

So yes, still absurd.



Got anything else you want debunked?




U.S. Obscures Foreign Aid To Ukraine, But Here's Where Some Goes
Paul Blumenthal
By
Paul Blumenthal
03/07/2014 10:50am EST | Updated March 7, 2014


WASHINGTON -- As the United States readies $1 billion in loan guarantees to the new government in Ukraine, along with even more aid for reforming elections and cleaning up corruption, one thing is clear: The public is unlikely to know where that money is going for some time, if ever.

Since 1992, the U.S. has sent $3 billion to $5 billion in aid to Ukraine, with only cursory public disclosure. The U.S. State Department operates an online database, ForeignAssistance.gov, but names of foreign recipients are often left out, and entire sections are blank. Furthermore, the disclosure often comes long after the money has been distributed.

"It is incredibly hard to find this kind of information," Nicole Valentinuzzi, communications manager for Publish What You Fund, an international organization promoting transparency for foreign aid.

The main channels of U.S. aid are the State Department; the U.S. Agency for International Department; the National Endowment for Democracy, a nonprofit entity funded through direct appropriations from Congress; and the Millennium Challenge Corporation. Other agencies may provide further funding.





And?

Were any of those sending weapons that could threaten russia?

Are any of them hiding where the funding goes?

Are any of them dumb enough to send cash to Ukrainian princes?



None of this nonsense indicates that anyone is arming Ukraine in any way that could ever threaten russians on russian soil.

The lie that putin used to cause this 'crisis'.

That you and msm seem desperate to defend or distract from.



Got anything else in need of debunking?



So essentially all you got is Putin lied so we can lie too...

If Russia did in Mexico exactly whatever you believe NATO and their politicians have done in Ukraine, over the years you would be screaming for an American invasion immediately, but since your indoctrination that all things Russia is bad you come across as Jen Psaki's little sister.

But at least you are a master debunker or a master something ...




Nice try.

We did nothing to arm Ukraine.

Putin lied and said we did.

Putin has zero evidence of this because it was a lie.

Putin put 3-4 divisions on Ukraine's border.

Putin threatened ww3 (nuclear war) if anyone tried to stop his activities in Ukraine.

Democrats then said some words, which I assume were dishonest, because they are serial liars after all.

Then you posted a bunch of nonsense in an effort to defend or distract from putin's original, and continued lie that started all this.

Also with zero evidence, because it's still the same lie.

Caught up now?

Have any more absurd claims?




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posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 08:37 PM
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Again you say the same # over and over and over and with no sources except the aforementioned. Hell Im pretty sure by now even Henry Kissinger would have added some sources to back it up. Afterall Im mostly here to learn and from you Ive learned something nobody knew "Putin is a liar"

So in an effort for a detente' a cease-fire a pause in the festivities, so instead of your history lesson how about what happens next Nostrodumas cause that's all I care about. If we go to war it will likely screw up my industry, and it's still struggling like it is. so what happened in the immediate and long term.

#2

pick the Powerball numbers for Saturday I'll play them and we will split it if we win. Im gonna need it by the way you are talking.





Enjoy your Friday my friend, thanks for the discourse



posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6
Again you say the same # over and over and over and with no sources except the aforementioned. Hell Im pretty sure by now even Henry Kissinger would have added some sources to back it up. Afterall Im mostly here to learn and from you Ive learned something nobody knew "Putin is a liar"

So in an effort for a detente' a cease-fire a pause in the festivities, so instead of your history lesson how about what happens next Nostrodumas cause that's all I care about. If we go to war it will likely screw up my industry, and it's still struggling like it is. so what happened in the immediate and long term.

#2

pick the Powerball numbers for Saturday I'll play them and we will split it if we win. Im gonna need it by the way you are talking.





Enjoy your Friday my friend, thanks for the discourse



Because you are asking to prove a negative.

That we did not arm Ukraine in a way that could threaten russia.


Have a great night!




posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: 38181
Was the Gulf of Tonkin incident a FF?

Asking for a friend.


Here's what is weird to me about the Gulf of Tonkin, and learning about it possibly being a False Flag. TGOT was one I always thought no way was it manufactured and embellished but the evidence is clear. It kinda led to hopefully an attitude of okay well I was obviously wrong about that what else Im I possibly missing.

Once that evidence dropped, I started re-examining some of the other episodes throughout history that I thought I knew exactly what happened and why.

It's led me to the conclusion that statically it's impossible to know all the ins and out of what has occurred historically unless you were there or had extraordinary access to the critical actors in the episode. Even our best historical books are still are apt to have a slant even those classified now as Reference.

For example, we have overwhelming support for the Truckers in Canada. While it's growing and getting larger, this weekend might be key, Ottawans are supposedly trying to do a counter-rally. It could be nothing but the Trucker outcome is far from certain.

and to bring it full circle wonder what's the chances of a false flag there soon...



posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: 38181
Was the Gulf of Tonkin incident a FF?

Asking for a friend.


Here's what is weird to me about the Gulf of Tonkin, and learning about it possibly being a False Flag. TGOT was one I always thought no way was it manufactured and embellished but the evidence is clear. It kinda led to hopefully an attitude of okay well I was obviously wrong about that what else Im I possibly missing.

Once that evidence dropped, I started re-examining some of the other episodes throughout history that I thought I knew exactly what happened and why.

It's led me to the conclusion that statically it's impossible to know all the ins and out of what has occurred historically unless you were there or had extraordinary access to the critical actors in the episode. Even our best historical books are still are apt to have a slant even those classified now as Reference.

For example, we have overwhelming support for the Truckers in Canada. While it's growing and getting larger, this weekend might be key, Ottawans are supposedly trying to do a counter-rally. It could be nothing but the Trucker outcome is far from certain.

and to bring it full circle wonder what's the chances of a false flag there soon...



I agree on TGOT.

Have no idea about a potential FF in Canada though, I didn't think you had democrats there.




posted on Feb, 4 2022 @ 10:24 PM
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They should know about crisis actors, they have been using them for decades in their scams. If they start a war it will be them who go to the gallows.



posted on Feb, 5 2022 @ 02:13 AM
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if this was real the Biden admin could NOT resist plastering it all over the news

this would prove all their Russia=bad US=righteous

operation gladio comes to mind.


I now work for a civilian government contractor and have listened to some guys who after they left their respective service's they came too us.

if their stories are true than various elements of US intel and SF's are already there, and if you have been following on the ground reporting as mush as i hate to give them props VICE has had a great documentation from the start until today.

when they run across certain groups that are strongly kitted out like UK and US men as far as electronics and new Russian weaponry with good optics and armor I've only seen on SF's and refuse to talk and VICE pulled some sneaky stuff and secretly recorded at meal time and they were Aussies and US men apparently they came because they wanted to help....in squad sized group of friends from 2 places about as far apart as they can get geographically.


also with US NOG's



apparently they had seen LARGE thermobaric weapons used on civilian areas by Russian forces and their gear also picked up HPM's sweeping the field where they were and they saw nuclear capable IRBMS



posted on Feb, 5 2022 @ 09:06 AM
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Well, I was in Mariupol last week with one of the intentions to see the real situation (the most strategically located city in the conflict) ... well, people there are sure that nothing is going to happen and everyone is relaxed and happy. They all say that the war is going on in the media. There is more paranoia everywhere else in the world as in the heart of the conflict.

Huge difference is with the elderly people (65+) as most of them are sure that invasion is imminent. Also, they all watch the same news and communicate mostly amogn other elderly groups of people.

As one of the responders said to me, they just want everyone to leave them alone (politicians and media) and let them live their life.



posted on Feb, 5 2022 @ 09:15 AM
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We did nothing to arm Ukraine.


Actually Ukrainian government said that in January alone there were around 20 airplanes from the US with weapons for Ukrainian army (in february they expect around 30 more). Also, three weeks ago Biden said that US will start to arm groups (as neonazi Azov) for the guerilla fights against Russians.



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