Stanton Friedman, “Final Report on Operation Majestic 12”, 15th Printing, 2003

Can anyone point me in the direction of this text, please?

I would like to acquire a copy, be it an original, a photocopy, or an emailed scan.

I'm really after this 15th edition version, but I would also be interested in earlier versions if anyone has them.

Thank you.

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a reply to: Banditsat12oclock
No information on which editions they have,but worldcat lists three libraries in the US and one in Canada with that book:

www.worldcat.org...

You know it's widely recognized as a hoax though, right?



Majestic 12

a reply to: Arbitrageur

The thing is who exactly regards this as a "hoax"?

Sometimes they have so called "experts" spew garbage about things being a hoax because they either get paid or are actually ignorant on the matter. Its unfortunate because once they do that it makes others blindly believe its a hoax when its really not.
Look at Carl Sagan for instance. He fully believed in UFO'S and Extra Terrestrials his whole life. However, once he was a little more well known he was actually used by the intelligence community to publicly lie and say none of these things exist. Privately though he still believed. The intelligence community banked on an "expert" to sway public opinion because if an expert says "xyz doesn't exist" then who in their right mind would disagree? Because clearly if you don't believe the "expert" then you are just a conspiracy theorist (another CiA invented phase for public deception).

People thankfully are waking up to this fact

Many things have been called hoaxs and actually have been shown later on to be the real deal.
It doesn't release us from doing our due diligence however.

RIP Stanton, you are missed by many!

a reply to: Banditsat12oclock

Stanton was on ATS "Ask me anything" a few years ago. Thread still here.

He answered one of my questions.

a reply to: BerkshireEntity
You're talking in generalities and referring to other people.

That's not the right way to approach hoaxes.
Each case must be evaluated on its own merits (or lack of them).
Here is one such evaluation:

The Secret History of Majestic 12

Of course, even if the document was authentic, its widespread public availability might well persuade the government to claim that it is bogus. How is one to know? A useful exercise might be to look at the wider context in which the document was delivered to UFO authors.

a reply to: BerkshireEntity

Can you point me in the direction of carl sagan and his private thoughts on UFO and or ET. My eldest brother loves to bring sagan into the convo and his known lack of beliefs.

Somehow that slipped past me.

a reply to: TheAlleghenyGentleman
One story I read said Sagan admitted he thought "UFOs are real". Some irrational journalist interpreted that to mean Sagan thought they were alien spacecraft. I think it's just a huge misinterpretation.

Like Sagan, I admit "UFOs are real" but I am not implying they are extraterrestrial when I say that.
Take the 3 pentagon UAP videos released in recent years. I can't identify them so they are UFOs, and I have no doubt they are real. But this in no way implies that they are alien space craft, and I think this is where the discussion about Sagan's admission went off the rails.

I've also seen people in general get excited about the military "admitting that UFOs are real", as if real mans alien. It does not mean alien, it means not a figment of the imagination.

Sagan did in fact admit in the 1960s in what was mostly a UFO debunking program that some UFOs could be extraterrestrial visitors, so he was open to the idea and didn't dismiss it, but he added most are not ET and there's no evidence any are ET.

Carl Sagan speaks about UFOs, 1966

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a reply to: mysterioustranger

Here's the Ask me Anything Stanton Friedman . March 2014.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You might find some information there too.

a reply to: Banditsat12oclock

From a tv show (name un-remembered) long ago……



And then there’s this The FBI Debunked These UFO Documents in the Most Childish Way Possible

Here’s another title by Stan the Man …available now on Amazon if interested…. Top Secret/Majic: Operation Majestic-12 and the United States Government's UFO Cover-up

Stated on Amazon……” Top Secret/Majic is the result of nuclear physicist and renowned UFO investigator Stanton T. Friedman's twenty-one year search for the truth about the mysterious Operation Majestic 12, President Truman's top-secret UFO investigation team. In this updated edition of his landmark book, he tells the incredible tale of the July, 1947 recovery of a crashed flying saucer near Roswell, New Mexico, and the establishment by President Truman of a truly all-star cast to deal with the saucer and its non-human inhabitants. The first four Directors of Central Intelligence, the first Secretary of Defense, and several outstanding scientists and military leaders were part of the team. Through painstaking research and startling evidence—including documents that have never before been published—Friedman effectively exposes the U.S. government's biggest-kept secret: a fifty-eight year UFO cover-up.”…..

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a reply to: Arbitrageur

Thank you

a reply to: BerkshireEntity

The MJ-12 papers have been deemed hoax by various agencies like the FBI and most ufologists. They are littered with discrepancies (such as claiming crashed UFOs were retrieved and taken to Area 51 BEFORE Area 51 had even been constructed). Their origins lie in the late 1970s into 1990s with a finger pointed at Bill Moore and Richard Doty and probably elements of the USAF spreading disinformation during the Cold War.

See : Myth Of MJ12

Stanton Friedman originally believed a handful of the papers could be genuine, but was never able to prove it. Someone once wrote to the FBI saying Stan was the Unabomber. Fortunately, they rapidly dismissed it because there was no proof he was. Ufology however recycles hoaxes again and again.

I read through the supposed MJ12 stuff years & years ago. Though very open minded originally, I just couldn't possibly view it as anything other than a hoax. It's pretty nonsensical in any case and seems to merit no serious attention in my opinion.

I lead onto a point which that might inform, Bob Lazar in the late 1980s and the time he talks about working at the S-4 Facility, Papoose Lake, Nevada near Groom Lake (Area 51). I quite strongly believe what Bob has been telling people about really happened but I don't think what he experienced is quite as he tells it, or perhaps understands things himself.

The link from the MJ12 story is that Bob was given a top secret access classification when he began at S-4 called "Majestic".

Now, Bob was more or less a complete new guy working here in Nevada in the Nellis grounds (Nevada Test and Training Range), or rather underneath. He wasthere for quite a short time before it's said he couldn't deal with the situation and needed to tell people. He had worked for some years prior to that at a facility of much lower classification of secret access in Los Alamos National Lab (which has been confirmed very satisfactorily in numerous ways). It's said that he was working on something which became relevant in S-4 later but Lazar had no idea of its relevance when back at LA before.

Though there can be no doubt that to work at a classified facility within the NTTR must require a really quite high level of clearance, I think there also can be no doubt that there were numerous levels of clearance for people with access to the facility. I believe Bob when he said that everything which happens is extremely compartmentalised and few people know or understand what their neighbours are working on in the next rooms along.

Again, Bob was new, didn't last, was just being introduced to the exotic, flying technology and was given the clearance level "Majestic". I have always wondered if the baby UFOs he saw, with baby seats reputed to be for tiny, grey aliens, were versions forming a part of a kind of a cover story intended to deflect attention from secret, terrestrial tech to thoughts of aliens. Bob wasn't shown the normal, "big boys'" kit, in other words, the real, military pieces.

Bob was also fed stories such as that the UFOs were dug up from the ground in a random archaeological excavation and had been there for thousands of years before then. What?

"Majestic" clearance? Aren't they playing with him?

Wasn't the Deep State department making an overt, joking reference to the nonsense of the Majestic 12 story, as they bedded in the new guy, who they weren't sure if they could trust yet?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Captured players are heavily involved in these topics.

Stanton Friedman may have been a diligent researcher, but after 45 years of that research he provided nothing in the way of scientific factual evidence. Nothing that would convince the scientific community that we've been visited. This subject is still left as an unknown even with his decades long scientific study. That should say something to the belivers of this phenomenon but unfortunately it doesn't. The same with J Allen Hynek. A scientific study that should have also brought forward actual evidence if visitation was in fact occuring. But nothing.

a reply to: BerkshireEntity

Sometimes they have so called "experts" spew garbage about things being a hoax because they either get paid or are actually ignorant on the matter. Its unfortunate because once they do that it makes others blindly believe its a hoax when its really not.
Look at Carl Sagan for instance. He fully believed in UFO'S and Extra Terrestrials his whole life. However, once he was a little more well known he was actually used by the intelligence community to publicly lie and say none of these things exist. Privately though he still believed. The intelligence community banked on an "expert" to sway public opinion

That appeal to authority works only for diehard believers. If Sagan would have said aliens are here, which he never would have without scientific evidence, it doesn't carry the weight as it would with a believer. A story and comment from someone in the position of authority that provides no real world evidence is apparently all that a believer needs to argue they're here. A comment. Anyone skeptical and searching for the truth needs real factual evidence.

Everything has to be turned into paranoia with coverups, conspiracies, hidden agendas, secret bases, accusations of just not knowing all the evidence, etc. in order to keep this nonsense alive. Yet here you are still with nothing to show. A phenomenon that bloomed within the last 70+ years and happens to coincide with the popularity of the subject through the media: books, newspapers, magazines, television, comics, movies and in the imaginative interpetations of alien life, not actual intelligent alien beings.

Here’s a novelty done reference chart….



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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Strong research but nothing definitive:

tomwhitmoreblog.wordpress.com...

JMHO: Majestic may have existed. from a historical standpoint it is certainly important to sort the matter out. From a practical standpoint , the US knew it had a UFO problem.

There was obviously working groups and leadership teams to study the phenomena. That was coordinated at a very high level and the only question was who reported to whom besides the executive group and coordinated between the branches, intelligence, and technical advances to aerospace concerns. To say there was no coordination between say, the CIA and US Navy, is just silly. My point is , whatever the group was called, there was a group.

Furthermore, the SAP I was involved, needed coordination and only controlling entities and oversight , similar to MAJ could have done this.