Public outrage over the unvaccinated is driving a crisis in bioethics

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Just the fact it's become a topic is bizarre but this is where quebec is

"The core fundamental principle of clinical ethics tells us that once a person enters the hospital as a patient, whatever got them there is no longer part of the equation," said Vardit Ravitsky, who teaches bioethics at the Université de Montreal and Harvard Medical School.

But here is the rub!

Vaccinated majorities in wealthy western countries are growing increasingly impatient with a science-denying minority being blamed for prolonging the pandemic and stretching critical care resources to the breaking point.

Governments are responding to that anger by turning up the heat on the unvaccinated with policies intended to inconvenience them, curtail their social lives, drive them out of the public square, make them pay or even criminalize them — measures Ravitsky said are "politically meant to appease the vaccinated majority."

some crazier stuff in here

"If we have two patients with the same level of clinical need, same age, same context, but one is vaccinated and one isn't, could we de-prioritize the patient who is unvaccinated by choice? There is a minority of bioethicists who are becoming more accepting of this logic at this point in time."

originally posted by: Perfect stranger

Vaccinated majorities in wealthy western countries are growing increasingly impatient with a science-denying minority being blamed for prolonging the pandemic and stretching critical care resources to the breaking point.

THE UNVACCINATED ARE SCIENCE- DENYING ?
BECAUSE TRUDEAU SAID SO ON THE CBC HE CONTROLS ??????

News flash- science FACTS from even the CDC:
- the Covid "vaccines" DO NOT prevent transmission
- the Covid "vaccines" DO NOT prevent infection
- the Covid "vaccines" DO NOT prevent death

As such, whether I take or do not take this shot has ZERO impact on anyone else, except for the fact that the unvaccinated are not Trudeau [snipped]
Trudeau is whipping up a lynch mob against his opposition.

"How dare they oppose ME, Justin Trudeau, Prince of Morons"

a reply to: M5xaz

Exactly.

JT and the Liberals are still hellbent onto the belief that the mRNA vaccines prevent transmissions. The still wont accpet the fact that what is happening in Israel and in another vaccinated nation.

They are ignoring science.The are ignoring South African Doctors by refusing to mention the mainstream news media in Canada that the variant is a milder.


They are following an agenda.

originally posted by: Perfect stranger
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Just the fact it's become a topic is bizarre but this is where quebec is

"The core fundamental principle of clinical ethics tells us that once a person enters the hospital as a patient, whatever got them there is no longer part of the equation," said Vardit Ravitsky, who teaches bioethics at the Université de Montreal and Harvard Medical School.

But here is the rub!

Vaccinated majorities in wealthy western countries are growing increasingly impatient with a science-denying minority being blamed for prolonging the pandemic and stretching critical care resources to the breaking point.

Governments are responding to that anger by turning up the heat on the unvaccinated with policies intended to inconvenience them, curtail their social lives, drive them out of the public square, make them pay or even criminalize them — measures Ravitsky said are "politically meant to appease the vaccinated majority."

some crazier stuff in here

"If we have two patients with the same level of clinical need, same age, same context, but one is vaccinated and one isn't, could we de-prioritize the patient who is unvaccinated by choice? There is a minority of bioethicists who are becoming more accepting of this logic at this point in time."

This is the level of mass hysteria and propaganda affecting these people, fed by constant fear mongering and dishonest narratives issued by politicians and the media.

They still haven't put two and two together regarding the following facts:

1) CDC admits now the vaccines do not stop infection and transmission. THEREFORE, NEWS FLASH PEOPLE, the unvaccinated are not more of a risk to you than vaccinated!



2) The CDC and Pfizer acknowledge that the vaccines may have limited efficacy for new variants.



3) New studies show that there is a very large group of those with naturally-acquired immunity, who have just as good or better immunity for variants than the vaccinated.

In the United States,

1. The U.S. Congress exempted itself from being Vaccinated: www.foxnews.com...

2. The White House exempted top-level staffers from being Vaccinated: www.foxnews.com...

Why? Because the vaccinations enable long-term health problems that the body would normally be able to fight off.

Why would big Pharma do that to people? Simple: M-O-N-E-Y. Trillions of dollars in revenue for medical treatment, over decades.

a reply to: M5xaz

What I find the most bizarre is the fact that there are onboard with the concept that vaxx status figures into medical triage!

"If we have two patients with the same level of clinical need, same age, same context, but one is vaccinated and one isn't, could we de-prioritize the patient who is unvaccinated by choice? There is a minority of bioethicists who are becoming more accepting of this logic at this point in time."

'Social justice' triage
Schuklenk said he also believes in the principle that "you don't look back at what made the patient become a patient."

But the pandemic is challenging the traditional notion of triage — even the idea that the goal of triage should be to save the most lives or life-years. Many North American triage protocols already have been rewritten to include non-medical criteria such as "equity."

Social Justice?

a reply to: Perfect stranger

How many people inherit a gentic disease vs. the probability of prevelance. I would imagine there are rather few cases of inherit gentic diseases vs quite a few probable inherited genetic diseases that are potentially preventable.

Why treat anyone that develops any disease?

Science denying minority, haahaha. Okay.

There is no denying science when the trials aren't finished, just a little bit of advice that.

The 'science' is not settled, nor is it 'proven' either. There are myriad problems with that statement. I'll just stick to the basics shall I.

Preventing someone care based on their personal opposition to forced medical trials is absolutely EVIL, pure, unadulterated evil. Anyone who agrees with forcing other into medical trials, and then tries to stigmatise and punish them for not doing so, is also evil, Pure evil. In fact it was so evil that we had an international decision to outlaw it forever, thanks Nazis...

Do you want to be evil? If not, STOP ATTACKING PEOPLE FOR NOT WANTING TO BE EXPERIMENTED ON.

Why is this even a frigging debate in 2022. We are becoming so morally degenerate that I'm genuinely scared for my childrens futures, growing up around Nazi's pretending to be liberal.


There is no bio-ethics crisis, there IS a crisis of UNETHICAL people in bio-ethics.

I'm deadly serious too, anyone who thinks forcing untrialled 'vaccines' onto people, especially when we know what we do now, is purely, unashamedly evil. Sick of mincing words and playing semantics. Evil people exist, and they're now running the show. Have been for a while.

originally posted by: Madviking
a reply to: M5xaz

EXACTLY !!!!!

Criminals running the mad-house. This has to be unconstitutional nevermind unethical.

a reply to: Perfect stranger

originally posted by: Joneselius
Science denying minority, haahaha. Okay.

There is no denying science when the trials aren't finished, just a little bit of advice that.

The 'science' is not settled, nor is it 'proven' either. There are myriad problems with that statement. I'll just stick to the basics shall I.

Preventing someone care based on their personal opposition to forced medical trials is absolutely EVIL, pure, unadulterated evil. Anyone who agrees with forcing other into medical trials, and then tries to stigmatise and punish them for not doing so, is also evil, Pure evil. In fact it was so evil that we had an international decision to outlaw it forever, thanks Nazis...

Do you want to be evil? If not, STOP ATTACKING PEOPLE FOR NOT WANTING TO BE EXPERIMENTED ON.

Why is this even a frigging debate in 2022. We are becoming so morally degenerate that I'm genuinely scared for my childrens futures, growing up around Nazi's pretending to be liberal.

There is no bio-ethics crisis, there IS a crisis of UNETHICAL people in bio-ethics.

I'm deadly serious too, anyone who thinks forcing untrialled 'vaccines' onto people, especially when we know what we do now, is purely, unashamedly evil. Sick of mincing words and playing semantics. Evil people exist, and they're now running the show. Have been for a while.

You make an excellent point about what is evil, I thought it needed quoting.

Years ago I decided to not use the word "sick" in reference to people engaged in acts of evil. Evil is not an illness that you can get better from or that has a treatment or cure. Evil exists and to blow it off as mental illness is to give it more power.

I believe evil is independent of the mind that it influences and thrives on selfishness, anger, terror and death. It sustains itself and grows by feeding on negative emotions and physical violence. It influences and controls people who act on it's inspiration of evil.

"Day of the Dove" is the seventh episode of the third season of the American science fiction television series Star Trek. Written by Jerome Bixby and directed by Marvin Chomsky, it was first broadcast November 1, 1968.

In the episode, an alien force drives the crew of the Enterprise into brutal conflict with the Klingons.

en.wikipedia.org...

Thought it wouldn't happen? Well here we go

www.foxnews.com...

The parents of a 31-year-old in need of a heart transplant at Boston’s Brigham and Women’s Hospital said their son has been removed from the transplant list because he has not been vaccinated for COVID-19, according to a report.

The hospital told CBS Boston that its policy is in line with other transplant programs in the U.S. that require the vaccine because it fits under the lifestyle behaviors of the candidates. The statement said it is the hospital’s goal to "create both the best chance for successful operation and also the patient’s survival after transplantation."

a reply to: Perfect stranger

Governments make blame. That is what they do. Problems that aren't solvable, or easily solved, get blamed on someone. Usually the problem goes away, and you are left with people fighting with each other to resolve.

Nothing indicates that this would "go away" with vaccinations. The vaccine itself was never intended to end the disease. It was meant solely to curtail it so folks didn't die as often. It was over promised, so in the under delivery the politicians are going to lay blame. I suspect that they put the effort into mrna vaccines to begin with due to some ulterior motive. A once in a lifetime chance to fund a pet project that had struggled to get the funding in the past, but with a promise for something if gotten right.

I don't know. But nothing in the way the vaccines work would indicate that the unvaccinated are to blame for anything beyond maybe taking up hospital beds. I would say the biggest crisis, at least in the US, is the shortage of staff due to firing the unvaxed.

I am the "public". And I'm not really all that "outraged".
Until you try to stab me with a needle and inject me with something that you, "Doctor"/yourself,.. aren't even sure of.
Anyone with an elementary and very modest "public education", can understand that, ...that ain't very "scientific" or trustworthy.

I'm pretty sure T.P.T.B. and "educated leaders", lost all the normal people, THE actual "work for a living" folk, at the fear and panic part.

None of us, were stepping over dead bodies at 7/11, at 0-dark thirty for coffee, on the way to work... It just didn't happen!

You "educated" idiots, that will inject yourself with "science",.. because some "Doctor" stranger, tells you to? .... Yeah, you're beyond helping.

For your safety? Please don't hitchhike! Or take candy from strangers.

Granted I'm looking for these stories but here is another transplant denied

www.foxnews.com...

Virginia hospital denies unvaccinated patient spot on 'active' kidney transplant list

According to the UVA Hospital website, Dr. Warburton is an associate professor with an American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) certification in nephrology, a specialization of internal medicine focused on the kidneys. Her clinical practice is centered on pancreas and kidney transplants.

"I just had COVID, so I don't -- so why would I get the vaccine?" Connors responded on the phone. However, the hospital did not budge, according to Connors.

"You may have had delta, and that may not protect you against the omicron variant, which is what we're seeing now," Dr. Warburton continued on the recording from Jan. 6. "So, our policy is that in order to have people active on the transplant list and get a transplant, you need to be fully vaccinated."