WHO is the Whore of Babylon!

a reply to: didntasktobeborned

The Catholic church doesn't have as much influence as the Worldwide Healthcare Organization of Resource Exchange.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

Why do you say that? Are European health care agents not malignant like most others?

a reply to: InachMarbank

The Harlot of Babylon is the Vatican, which used to be a governing body, invested by Caesar of the Holy Roman Empire, an even later Europe.

The methods might be different, but the results are the same.

a reply to: Proto88

The church is not as coersive nor as successful in forcing their malignant beliefs onto people as health organizations are, these days.

But their belief in life after death , I think is malignant. So they can play a villain too, how about false prophet?

Babylon the Great, described in the book of Revelation, is the world’s collective body of false religions, which God rejects. (Revelation 14:8; 17:5; 18:21) Although those religions differ in many respects, in one way or another they all lead people away from the worship of the true God, Jehovah.​—Deuteronomy 4:​35.

In addition, she “sits on many waters,” which represent “peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.” (Revelation 17:​1, 15)

Ancient Babylon was a profoundly religious city, known for its use of spiritistic “spells” and “sorceries.” (Isaiah 47:​1, 12, 13; Jeremiah 50:​1, 2, 38) In fact, false religion in opposition to the true God, Jehovah, was practiced there. (Genesis 10:​8, 9; 11:​2-4, 8) The rulers of Babylon arrogantly exalted themselves above Jehovah and his worship. (Isaiah 14:​4, 13, 14; Daniel 5:​2-4, 23) Likewise, Babylon the Great is known for her “spiritistic practices.” That shows her to be a religious organization.​—Revelation 18:23.

Babylon the Great cannot be a political entity, because “the kings of the earth” mourn her destruction. (Revelation 17:​1, 2; 18:9) Neither is she a commercial power, because the Bible distinguishes her from “the merchants of the earth.”​—Revelation 18:11, 15.

Babylon the Great fits the profile of false religion. Rather than teaching people how to draw closer to the true God, Jehovah, false religion actually leads them to worship other gods. The Bible calls this “spiritual prostitution.” (Leviticus 20:6; Exodus 34:15, 16) Beliefs such as the Trinity and the immortality of the soul and practices such as the use of images in worship date back to ancient Babylon and continue to permeate false religion. These religions also blend their worship with love for the world. The Bible refers to this form of unfaithfulness as spiritual adultery.​—James 4:4.

Ancient Babylonian religious concepts and practices are found in religions worldwide

“Egypt, Persia, and Greece felt the influence of the Babylonian religion . . . The strong admixture of Semitic elements both in early Greek mythology and in Grecian cults is now so generally admitted by scholars as to require no further comment. These Semitic elements are to a large extent more specifically Babylonian.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria (Boston, 1898), M. Jastrow, Jr., pp. 699, 700.

2 examples (there are more but I don't want to make my comment too long):

Their gods: There were triads of gods, and among their divinities were those representing various forces of nature and ones that exercised special influence in certain activities of mankind. (Babylonian and Assyrian Religion, Norman, Okla.; 1963, S. H. Hooke, pp. 14-40) “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato’s] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.”—Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel (Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

Belief regarding death: “Neither the people nor the leaders of religious thought [in Babylon] ever faced the possibility of the total annihilation of what once was called into existence. Death was a passage to another kind of life.”—The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria, p. 556.

That's a big one, most people who consider themselves religious, or spiritual (including personal religious views), believe that death is a passage to another kind of life. Or that some spirit or immaterial part of man (such as energy, spirit or a soul) survives the death of the physical body. The Bible however teaches something different.

In the Bible, “soul” is translated from the Hebrew neʹphesh and the Greek psy·kheʹ. Bible usage shows the soul to be a person or an animal or the life that a person or an animal enjoys. To many persons, however, “soul” means the immaterial or spirit part of a human being that survives the death of the physical body. Others understand it to be the principle of life. But these latter views are not Bible teachings.

Can the human soul die?

“The soul that sinneth, it shall die.”​—Ezekiel 18:4, King James Version.

Regarding the creation of the first human soul, the Bible says: “Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul [Hebrew, neʹphesh].”​—Genesis 2:7.

The Hebrew word neʹphesh, translated “soul,” means ‘a creature that breathes.’ When God created the first man, Adam, He did not infuse into him an immortal soul but the life force that is maintained by breathing. Therefore, “soul” in the Biblical sense refers to the entire living being. If separated from the life force originally given by God, the soul dies.​—Genesis 3:19; Ezekiel 18:20.

Is the soul the same as the spirit?

Eccl. 12:7: “Then the dust returns to the earth just as it happened to be and the spirit [or, life-force; Hebrew, ruʹach] itself returns to the true God who gave it.” (Notice that the Hebrew word for spirit is ruʹach; but the word translated soul is neʹphesh. The text does not mean that at death the spirit travels all the way to the personal presence of God; rather, any prospect for the person to live again rests with God. In similar usage, we may say that, if required payments are not made by the buyer of a piece of property, the property “returns” to its owner.) (KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy all here render ruʹach as “spirit.” NAB reads “life breath.”)

Eccl. 3:19: “There is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit [Hebrew, ruʹach].” (Thus both mankind and beasts are shown to have the same ruʹach, or spirit.

Does conscious life continue for a person after the spirit leaves the body?

Ps. 146:4: “His spirit [Hebrew, from ruʹach] goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (NAB, Ro, Yg, and Dy [145:4] here render ruʹach as “spirit.” Some translations say “breath.”) (Also Psalm 104:29)

In case you missed it, it's talking about life-force again. FACT: At death a person ceases to exist

“For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, . . . for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.”​—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10, Revised Standard Version.

The Hebrew word Sheol, which referred to the “abode of the dead,” is translated “hell” in some versions of the Bible. What does this passage reveal about the condition of the dead? Do they suffer in Sheol in order to atone for their errors? No, for they “know nothing.” That is why the patriarch Job, when suffering terribly because of a severe illness, begged God: “Protect me in hell [Hebrew, Sheol].” (Job 14:13; Douay-Rheims Version) What meaning would his request have had if Sheol was a place of eternal torment? Hell, in the Biblical sense, is simply the common grave of mankind, where all activity has ceased. Is not this definition of hell more logical and in harmony with Scripture? What crime, however horrible, could cause a God of love to torture a person endlessly? (1 John 4:8) FACT: God does not punish people in hell

What is the origin of the teaching that the human soul is invisible and immortal?

The difficulty lies in the fact that the meanings popularly attached to the English word “soul” stem primarily, not from the Hebrew or Christian Greek Scriptures, but from ancient Greek philosophy, actually pagan religious thought. “The Christian concept of a spiritual soul created by God and infused into the body at conception to make man a living whole is the fruit of a long development in Christian philosophy. Only with Origen [died c. 254 C.E.] in the East and St. Augustine [died 430 C.E.] in the West was the soul established as a spiritual substance and a philosophical concept formed of its nature. . . . His [Augustine’s] doctrine . . . owed much (including some shortcomings) to Neoplatonism.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Vol. XIII, pp. 452, 454. “The concept of immortality is a product of Greek thinking, whereas the hope of a resurrection belongs to Jewish thought. . . . Following Alexander’s conquests Judaism gradually absorbed Greek concepts.”—Dictionnaire Encyclopédique de la Bible (Valence, France; 1935), edited by Alexandre Westphal, Vol. 2, p. 557. “Immortality of the soul is a Greek notion formed in ancient mystery cults and elaborated by the philosopher Plato.”—Presbyterian Life, May 1, 1970, p. 35. And ultimately it traces back to Babylon as quoted before from The Religion of Babylonia and Assyria.

In direct contrast with the Greek teaching of the psy·kheʹ (soul) as being immaterial, intangible, invisible, and immortal, the Scriptures show that both psy·kheʹ and neʹphesh, as used with reference to earthly creatures, refer to that which is material, tangible, visible, and mortal. More details here: Soul (Reasoning From the Scriptures). Soul (Insight on the Scriptures). Myth 1: The Soul Is Immortal (One Myth Leads to Another). Myth 2: The Wicked Suffer in Hell. You may also want to type in the word "spirit" in the searchbox for the 2 links to Reasoning From the Scriptures and Insight on the Scriptures, to see the difference. All links are available in my thread in this subforum: One myth leads to another (ATS thread, page 3).

originally posted by: DeathSlayer
The whore is the pope.

a reply to: InachMarbank

Surely the criteria needed to qualify as the whore of Babylon is, 1 He would need to be a woman, 2, From Iraq?.

Or are you suggesting Francis is really a Frances and that his/her place of birth (Argentina) is just a cover story.?

a reply to: whereislogic


what i get from your post..... the harlot(whore) sits atop the 7 headed 10 horned (end time) Beast Empire
She does not ride or have reins to command the Beast...so 'She' is held-up to a degree of prominence by the worlds most civilized/advanced Nations (both political & ecclesiastical aspects)

So, the Vatican & Its' church may fill the role of a future False Prophet to team up with the AC...but not be the harlot/whore

Ergo, the harlot-whore is the nebulous Synagogue-of-Satan, in the mega sense, not the micro-church group sense...
the corrupted Hebrew Faith & priesthood, corrupted with Babylon and the Greek & Roman pantheon of gods and dogma'



~of course, i'm not married to this idea, new factors always arise to help change my current intrepetation...
thanks for the outline post...star-4-U

Totally not saying I buy into the theory that its the Vatican, they are a powerful entity though, and get their cut of a lot of 'activity'. Notwithstanding there are some interesting takes on it.Without doing the research I would say the Catholics pretty much run the WHO

A whore or a prostitute to me is simply one who changes ones values depending on the circumstance.
Like a business that prostitutes its prices..aliteration was the only choice there even though I hate it.Has nothing inherently to do with sex or being a harlot..a reply to: InachMarbank

a reply to: InachMarbank

True they are not the continental powerhouse houses they once were, but they used to play Doctor before in the name of safety, for your soul. And it was usually against invisible enemies too.

Even though ironically they were probably the closest thing to a Doctor at certain points.

Most life after death teachings usually tend to, Hinduism, early belief in reincarnation led to it Caste System. If you were born in whatever circumstances, and events, the main lesson, was that you earned it.

As for the false prophet, the Weather Man, probably the closest. The Sun, Star, Morning Star an Daily Prophet all said it was going to be sunny, but God said f you.

MATTHEW 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

The use of lethal force is generally attributed to the testimony, anything specific to the individuals is apart of a compounding of the issue.

The gospel talks about not beating someone with more then 40 stripes, but given humanities state in the new testament its dirth charge, just being born alongside humanity is a greviance.

When someon holy not necessarily a son of man, but someone faithful or a people...........satan will usually try to destroy that either directly by destroying their bodies, or by silencing them, or what it percieves as similar actions or reactions to whatever satan's sin pleasures are or whatever its rebuke is.

Because satan is pleasure based..............losing lives in a sin controversy is meaningless, but in order to obtain pleasure, it will adopt a sinner or a women, and give her authority to beat its own people, trying to mirror the testimony it believes it has nullified...............accidents can happen an a lot of lives can be taken, very quickly.