USA Today Life Defends Pedophilia As "Misunderstood"

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

This isn't really anything new, I remember there being a Law and Order episode on much the same subject maybe 10 years back.

On one hand, yeah pedophiles need to be stopped in the most literal sense, but on the other hand there's a warped part of me that wants pedophiles to be normalised just to see the pronoun brigade ripping themselves apart as to whether to support or condemn it.

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2
a reply to: Mikemp44

Children have been called 'the last sacred ground' because everything else in modern culture has been exploited. If they manage to legalize and moralize and humanize child abuse, all goodness is gone.

The left have actually got some ground on this one, they've been campaigning for years to get the marriage age raised in some red states where its currently under 16.

If you can be "born" gay, you can be born anything. And it should be allowed and protected.

We've been shouting that this would happen from the mountain tops for decades. Completely predictable. And Sickening.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Pedo's need to be shot.

Period.

*drops mic*

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Of course it's a mental illness. Serial killers are mentally ill too. Does shaming drive serial killers underground as well? Is the solution for this the acceptance of serial killers as misunderstood victims?

a reply to: DBCowboy

LOL

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

just yesterday (jan 12th) i read a click-bait Headline that some unlucky pedophile died because of scalded skin


eta: i did not read story, but i just imagined like in the old west-- the townfolk lynching the jailed suspect...but the modern lynching is a pot of boiling oil/water instead... how biblical huh

a reply to: Xtrozero

Not the same at all. Pedophiles have an active desire for something very harmful and illegal. A psychopath may lack empathy, but they do not necessarily harbor rage or a desire for violent retaliation upon others. If they do, they are a threat to society and require either treatment or removal from society until they are treated. Society regards sick and dangerous people as sick and dangerous people.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2
Did I write that there should be acceptance? I wrote that we need to acknowledge (the medical community is much further than the common joe on that topic) it but NOT give a single inch towards accepting the behavior.

You might have missed the thread this morning, I've personal experience with it, on the victim side.

This is why I am always feeling uncomfortable sharing my thoughts about this. Because there will be reactions like that from people that didn't have to deal with it in person and clearly lack reading comprehension. It has nothing to to with accepting it or making excuses.

Also trying to make a bridge between other mental illnesses never works. You can't compare apples with oranges like that. Just like comparing pedophiles with gay or bisexual and trying to draw parallels to it.

For people like you only see the sexual part and not the heart behind it. Talking about homosexuality now. What's wrong with two consenting adults sharing time together?

It's certainly a complete different road and direction than pedophiles, where informed consent can never be given by the victim.

Consider yourself far behind the learning curve on this topic. Like way beyond if you think my post had anything to do with your inquisitive questions.

Note that we are having a debate on whether pedophilia is evil and should be considered such. This is the state of things.

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

There is ZERO conversation to be had about this.

They are Fn sick and should be put down.

Same with anyone advocating or supporting their insane bs theories.

“likely” begins in the womb. Sure.

People said much the same about gay people, about 60 years ago.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Sorry for misinterpreting what you were saying. I get used to hearing the same arguments on such issues that they can easily blend together after a while. You are discussing the harm that shaming pedophiles does specifically. But I would argue that far greater harm would be done without such shaming. A great many more children would be abused. Shaming/ignoring is a natural and normal way in which we punish bad behavior or dangerous attitudes/desires. The ridiculed person must get their crap together in order to be accepted.

It's not that I'm unaware of how painful and harmful this is. I was a shy kid once who was often overlooked by my peers, and often quite misunderstood. One reason why I tend to sympathize with underdogs. Not everyone who gets ignored deserves it. But some do. It is a tough lesson. In my case, I needed to learn to be more outgoing and to improve my social skills. For a pedophile, it would be to undergo treatment and truly change. If they are successfully treated, or 'saved' by religion, then can and should be accepted back. People should forgive, but never forget.

As for those who go untreated, it is a sin and a psychological problem. Note that I am not religious myself but I do have respect for those who find truth and healing that way. When I say "sin" I mean the wrongdoing of one's thoughts or feelings. It's highly unlikely that a man molests a child one day and wonders why (unless he's repressed his true feelings for a long time.) The feelings had to be there beforehand. In other words, it is objectively wrong to think or feel that way about children. It makes one evil (a great threat to civilized society) and they must be treated.

And I noticed how you skipped over my question. But then you did address it with 'apples and oranges'.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

And I noticed how you skipped over my question.

It should be obvious why. I explained that you are comparing apples with oranges. You try to force the picture of a serial killer into the mold of a pedophile.

That's why I skipped your questions, because it does not make sense to answer them.

You are discussing the harm that shaming pedophiles does specifically. But I would argue that far greater harm would be done without such shaming.

I acknowledged that we need to find a middle road, between shaming them into hiding and acceptance. We need to acknowledge that it is a sickness and offer help. Not because pedophiles are such lovely people but to protect the children.

In my country we have regular radio ads where a man (stereotype) talks hidden about his desire (only adults really get it) and how he got help, anonymous, under the hotline (number follows).

That's one good way to do it, it raises awareness and that there are places where they can unload their own concerns. As I understand it some pedophiles know that it is wrong and harmful, but they have fear they can not control the urge.

I say we should, instead of hatered, lend those people a helping hand. Again, not because we're such good people yadayada, but to protect the children.

That's basically all I wrote.

originally posted by: LoneCloudHopper2

Not the same at all. Pedophiles have an active desire for something very harmful and illegal. A psychopath may lack empathy, but they do not necessarily harbor rage or a desire for violent retaliation upon others. If they do, they are a threat to society and require either treatment or removal from society until they are treated. Society regards sick and dangerous people as sick and dangerous people.

As I said bad behaviors are bad either way and in both cases are a choice.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

They got a big backlash from this post, this woke entities are trying to push their own deranged new way of thinking, just like they have done with other debatable topics.

But this one is the tip of the iceberg, they will be losing a lot of their supporters, unless you know they are pedophiles themselves.

People with children are not going to see this very well, especially when in the US we do have laws against this type of obscene behavior toward innocent children.

USA stuck their nasty, dirty and pedophile feet in their mouths, lets see how they try to get out of this one.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Nah I doubt you’d have me apologize for anything I stand by what I said this degenerate society can burn, we need a reset where the social confusion is no more. We need a society that will stand up too perversion, we need a society not afraid to speak hard truths too fact.

And that’s that our society is broken it needs destroyed and rebuilt especially here in this liberal shiathole CANADA

SaneThinking

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Society used to do that. These days, society blames itself when people are sick and dangerous, and it calls them victims and let's them roam free while it castigates and punishes itself.

a reply to: ThatDamnDuckAgain

Yes sorry, I forgot the 'apples and oranges' point. I'm under the weather today (this week really,) so maybe that's why I'm overlooking such things. I already corrected it above but not before you replied. I do appreciate that you have gone out on a limb to discuss an awkward subject.

I believe it does make sense to answer my question, but at least your argument does address it. You seem to be perceiving this issue from a purely psychological perspective rather than moral/cultural/philosophical. That's fine. But to me, after having witnessed CCP-funded extremism invading our colleges and poisoning our culture, my focus of concern is on the great harm the normalization of pedophilia poses. It's epidemic in the realm of the criminal elite, between the Epstein ring and CNN, and Big Tech like Google and Twitter protecting pedophilia and promoting child pornography on their platforms. Why is pedophilia so prominent among the elites? Perhaps it's largely about power. But these people are powerful and are capable of continuing the exploitation of children. They also have self-interest in normalizing it, as USA Today is trying to do.

Yes there needs to be room for forgiveness. Unless perhaps one has gone too blatantly wicked with their behavior (then perhaps they shouldn't be allowed back into civilized society.) But for most, a path for forgiveness would seem best.

I agree also that hared accomplishes little of any good. Personally, I have no room in my heart for hatred. There are people and acts which I find despicable, and can ignite outrage in me. But I don't truly hate anyone. But when someone crosses a certain line, there must be repercussions. It's unhealthy and dangerous. As we both agreed, it is illness. I believe there are powers in our world who ultimately want it to be normalized into something acceptable.

Not too long ago there were posts warning that they were trying to condition this behavior. We've all seen it from shows on Netflix to now this. If this does not yell "Mental Health" crisis, I don't know what does. My God this # is sick and disturbing. It's only a matter of time before people start taking matters into their own hands and start to deal with people like this their own way. And it won't be good.

a reply to: MykeNukem

You forgot the part where I said I consider it evil. I think the cure for evil is either Jesus Christ or death.

I didn't forget. But of course it is, hence why I said "HELL NO!" to excusing it, and then to normalizing it. I'm not sure what you are taking exception here.

The rest of what you said isn't realistic unless we're going to become the thought police.

Um... isn't that entirely and exactly the point of safeguarding measures to minimize (if not eliminate) opportunities and therefore occurrences? For example, prohibiting known sex offenders from working at schools, mandating that sex offenders register with authorities, and so on and so forth.

Another example is the "bathroom debate." One of the greatest complaints and fears about self-ID for transgender-identifying persons is that allowing any male predator can claim to be a "woman" and access young girls in vulnerable and private situations, creating more victims of sexual abuse. This isn't the only situation or circumstances of course, but we do have safeguarding practices for a reason.

It's a crime. A disgusting, evil, abhorrent crime. That's all I need to understand.

Well, okay, if that's all you've got, that's all you've got.

Figuring out how to stop crime before it happens, so there is no more victims in the world doesn't sound doable to me.

Of course not! We can however minimize and restrict the occasions and opportunities for such crimes to be committed. Doing any less is just as "disgusting, evil and abhorrent" because it allows and enables the criminal. Do you not protect yourself from crime? Do you not use the locks on your house doors and car doors? Do you not keep your banking passwords private? There is plenty that can be done.