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On COVID vaccinations, Pope says health care is a 'moral obligation'

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posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:24 PM
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ROME — Pope Francis suggested Monday that getting vaccinated against the coronavirus was a "moral obligation" and denounced how people had been swayed by "baseless information" to refuse one of the most effective measures to save lives.


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Looks like some of the anti-vaccine crowd may have lost their religious excuse with Pope Francis laying it down hard.

I appreciate how Pope Francis addresses morality and “baseless” information. He literally has said it is ones moral duty to get vaccinated to help protect others and denounces the misinformation being spread.

So, what do y’all think? Has the Pope been turned by TPTB? Are his words being spun to attack the unvaccinated? Or, is the pope making a plea to those that are unvaccinated?


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posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:28 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

The Catholic Church, historically a bastion of truth, peace, love and all things good.

If you think the Pope worships Jesus then you haven't been paying attention.



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:31 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

um you may (also this pope BTW) needs to RE READ the bible.

it says NOTHING about "government health care system" or a moral imperative for such

it says to "care for " and "tend to " THE SICK.

jesus HEALED the sick / miracles as a lesson of GODS GRACE.

not "roman, jewish , or (pick a system) " government healthcare.

now is a heathcare system have some SIMILAR EFFECT...
well yes IF ITS RUN WELL..

we know that communist medicine SUCKS.
socialized medicine in countries often quoted like canada HAS LONG WAITING LINES to which they come to THE USA TO GET TREATMENT.

along with places like sweden have VERY HIGH TAXES and VERY LOW POPULATIONS (btw with VERY STRICT IMMIGRATION LAWS , oh the irony) that are not workable in larger countries and populations.

so overall for you and the pope to claim this reminds me about another comment of jesus and in the bible

the SIN OF PRIDE and "presuming to talk for God" instead of following his teachings.

scrounger

PS just for the record, this isnt the only issue where the pope is stepping out of his religious duties into politics.

scrounger



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:35 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

FWIW, A large enough slug of cash from pharmaceutical companies would make the Pope endorse abortion pills.



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:35 PM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: MDDoxs

The Catholic Church, historically a bastion of truth, peace, love and all things good.

If you think the Pope worships Jesus then you haven't been paying attention.


Diving right into the deep end first eh? Lets deconstruct some of the arguments being made and not attack the institution right now.

In the US, a significant portion of the unvaccinated identify themselves as being part of the Christian or Catholic faith, stating that god is enough of a shield or reference passages from the bible as to why they don’t want to receive the vaccine. How will this approach now reconcile with the strong statements made by the Pope.

My opinion is that a large percentage of anti vaccine individuals cavalierly used their faith as an excuse and will find some other reason to make an excuse.
edit on 10-1-2022 by MDDoxs because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:36 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

The pope would want everyone's opinion to be heard. What is baseless information?



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:39 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

The Pope doesn't have the power or reach that he once did. I know many Catholics, their moral compass and psychological makeup is shaped more by forces such as popular opinion on facebook rather than the Church. The vast majority of 'Catholics' have never read the bible, religion has become tradition rather than a system of belief.



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:42 PM
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um you may (also this pope BTW) needs to RE READ the bible


Um, you are suggesting that the pope needs to reread the bible because he doesn’t understand the faith he leads?

That does not make sense.



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:44 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

The leadership of the Catholic Church was compromised and hijacked by a faith other than Christianity centuries ago.



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:44 PM
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originally posted by: Lemon1234
a reply to: MDDoxs

The pope would want everyone's opinion to be heard. What is baseless information?


Read the article. The pope explains..


"Frequently people let themselves be influenced by the ideology of the moment, often bolstered by baseless information or poorly documented facts," he said, calling for the adoption of a "reality therapy" to correct this distortion of human reason.



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: MDDoxs

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: MDDoxs

The Catholic Church, historically a bastion of truth, peace, love and all things good.

If you think the Pope worships Jesus then you haven't been paying attention.


Diving right into the deep end first eh? Lets deconstruct some of the arguments being made and not attack the institution right now.

In the US, a significant portion of the unvaccinated identify themselves as being part of the Christian or Catholic faith, stating that god is enough of a shield or reference passages from the bible as to why they don’t want to receive the vaccine. How will this approach now reconcile with the strong statements made by the Pope.

Um because (as i stated in my previous comment) the people are following the TEACHINGS OF GOD. Maybe it is a tad "extreme" to say God will protect and dont need medicine or some medical proccedures (to which i have to disagree and agree case by case). NO WHERE DOES IT STATE ONE MUST GET ANY VACCINE. Where the pope is GOING OVER HIS ASSIGNED DUTIES and pushing a POLITICAL agenda.. something a POPE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.

My opinion is, that a large percentage of anti vaccine individuals cavalierly used there faith as an excuse and will find some other reason to make an excuse.


Ok back the boat up skippy and lets deal in FACTS/SCIENCE.

the covid vaccine (to which YOU BROUGHT UP) as stated by the CDC, drug manufactures, and basic science...

WILL NOT PREVENT YOU FROM CATCHING, PASSING ON OR DYING FROM COVID.
all it will do IF IT WORKS AS STATED... AGAIN FOR THOSE IN THE BACK IF IF IF IT WORKS AS STATED....

a. will lesson symptoms
b. will increase your survival chances.. note NOT PREVENT DEATH.

with to remind you WITH FACTS that the previous strains of covid
80 percent recover fine not knowing they had covid (without a test) due to being ASYMPTOMATIC (NO SYMPTOMS) or such small ones HOPITALIZATION OR EXTREME MEDICAL MEASURES NOT NEEDED.
97 to 99.98 survival rating overall..

the current version has EVEN GRATER SURVIVAL/LESS LETHALITY THAN THE PREVIOUS VERSION..
let me say this again (with hope it sinks though your delusions) LESS LETHAL THAN PREVIOUS VERSION.

so again I ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY
where EXACTLY IN THE BIBLE does it say you are bound by Gods teaching to TAKE THE COVID VACCINE OR ANY VACCINE?

without that you and the pope are (ironically) using religion to push your agenda

hate to add this but are you not one that rants about separation of church and state and not to push any religon?

hmmmm
scrounger



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:46 PM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: MDDoxs

The leadership of the Catholic Church was compromised and hijacked by a faith other than Christianity centuries ago.


That sounds like a fascinating theory. Have some links to some actual info?



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:49 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

I have many claims with my own eyes and ears and went through with friend ,family, acquaintances who have experienced side effects from the vaccine. Has the pope invited any of his congregation who refuse the shot to ask them why.thou shall not bear false witness .is the pope now a fact checker?



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:49 PM
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originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: scrounger



um you may (also this pope BTW) needs to RE READ the bible


Um, you are suggesting that the pope needs to reread the bible because he doesn’t understand the faith he leads?

That does not make sense.


The pope leads an organization that excels in pedophilia, secrets, and embezzlement.

The faith is just a cover up.

Have you seen the GDP of the Vatican? No? That's because it's god's secret.
Have you seen where the Vatican came from?
No?
That's because it was a gift from a socialist Nazi piece of work who used his power to steal it from the people. Pretty sure his own people made an example of him after that, but my memory is lacking.

Meanwhile the church is the richest group of criminals to ever exist on the planet.



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:50 PM
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originally posted by: MDDoxs
a reply to: scrounger



um you may (also this pope BTW) needs to RE READ the bible


Um, you are suggesting that the pope needs to reread the bible because he doesn’t understand the faith he leads?

That does not make sense.


um the BIBLE is the "textbook" of Christian faiths (and part of it jewish)

if you are not using it as your basis then YES it makes alot of sense.

AGAIN YOU AND THE POPE does not quote what part of the bible this vaccine mandate applies to nor what part is applicable to GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE .

just using some words mentioned in the bible WITHOUT CONTEXT does not teaching the faith make.

its like claiming there is a right to oh say healthcare in the constitution but NOT ONE AMENDMENT states this specific right.

scrounger



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:52 PM
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originally posted by: MDDoxs

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: MDDoxs

The leadership of the Catholic Church was compromised and hijacked by a faith other than Christianity centuries ago.


That sounds like a fascinating theory. Have some links to some actual info?



wow...

do you also need links to tell you waters wet and communism has killed more than hitler ever did?

if you refuse to do your own simple .025 sec google search then you are willfully ignorant

oh wait.. after seeing your posts that comment and suggestion is redundant

scrounger



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

History my friend, the details of which are dangerous to discuss. You can delve into the occult, just don't expect to live long should you share it's secrets.

Start with the Knights Templar and Pope Innocent III.




posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

I do want to thank you for one thing

your OP shows us what a true religious fanatic you are for the church of the covidian.

scrounger



posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:56 PM
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a reply to: MDDoxs

The Catholic Church does not have a moral obligation to talk anything any near political topics or medicine after the recent scandals.


Last time i checked Jesus doesn't segregated anyone with any medical condition or whatever they have a medicine. It would be best for the catholic church to shut their useless mouths.


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posted on Jan, 10 2022 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: scrounger


so again I ASK YOU SPECIFICALLY
where EXACTLY IN THE BIBLE does it say you are bound by Gods teaching to TAKE THE COVID VACCINE OR ANY VACCINE?


I don’t believe the bible does, and that’s not the point. The point is that the leader of a faith, the person that has got the hot line to the guy in the sky, says it’s our moral obligation to get the vaccine and not spread disinformation.




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