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Chicago, throw out the teacher’s union

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posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:26 PM
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The problems Chicago is having with their schools is not unique to their city. All over the country, Teacher’s unions have refused to do their jobs in order to obtain higher pay, more benefits or play a political angle. The solution is simple: kick out the entire union and mean it.

Every employee of a school district presumably needs their job. They can’t survive without the wages. Throwing out the union will see many employees willing to remain on the job, because they have no other choice. It will also making firing problematic employees much easier, and prevent them from ever using our kids as leverage again.

There are plenty of unemployed teachers and others perfectly qualified to teach. Cities like Chicago should do themselves a favor by throwing out the union, and be prepared to fire on the spot any employee who tries to organize another

And if other unions insist on the superiority of remote learning, why are we all still paying their salary?
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posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:37 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

The teachers in the union ARE the Union.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:39 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

And once their employer fires the lot of them, a simultaneous job offer can be made for those who want to stay on (those who do not wish to live under a bridge)

They have taken this too far. Call their bluff and throw them out on their rear end. They don’t call the shots, as employees they will either do their job they are paid to do or they will get nothing

And what if teachers who wish to teach without having unions pilfer money from their income? They’re as bad as government. And in many cases, the union itself is working against their individual interests or objectives
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posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Soloprotocol

And once their employer fires the lot of them, a simultaneous job offer can be made for those who want to stay on (those who do not wish to live under a bridge)

The Nazis banned Unions then sent their leaders to concentration camps. I guess you would be happy with that?.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Nice try. Really puts your whole non-argument on display

I’d be happy just putting them on the street and letting those who wish to work in exchange for monetary remuneration do so.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:44 PM
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It would only happen if the political calculus become such that the politicians determined that the money from the teachers' union was outweighed by the loss in votes from voters upset over the way their kids are being treated in the ensuing endless lockdowns and remote learning periods.

If it is determined that Virginia is a pattern and not an anomaly, then you might see something start to happen, but until then, I wouldn't hold my breath.

In my experience, the politicians and their supporters that we're talking about are very, very good at blaming everything except their own actions and positions for why they're losing.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Not an easy task to get rid of a union. it might be better to dock their pay if they don't show up for work. I was union for most of my career, and salaried for some of it. Seems that unions protect the members that are useless, or don't follow the rules. good workers follow the rules, and pretty much have no problems.

I did pretty well negotiating salary, and vacation by myself when I took a salaried position.

Unions were necessary back in the 30's, now not so much.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: JBurns
Unions got you the 40 hr week. Paid overtime, Holiday pay. Sick pay. Maternity pay. changes to workplace safety. Better pay and conditions. the legal right to withhold labour. workplace protection against employers who treat you unfairly. They stopped child labour. etc etc.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Agreed!

Moneyed interests unfortunately overriding the need to get these kids properly educated

The shame of it is that while everyone is looking at this abstractly, we have an entire generation of kids that are growing up missing the most important formative time in their lives

All so these darned teachers unions can play politics and try to squeeze a few extra dollars out of taxpayers while simultaneously abusing tax payers by teaching children improper values, blanket morality or other left wing ideologies….and refusing to do the job we pay them to do



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Some unions, indeed

I was part of a union when I was a deputy. Got no problem with unions in general just ones that play politics and little games at the cost of our children’s future and sense of normalcy

There was a time when companies abused the living daylights out of those unfortunate enough to work for them. Many would still do so today if given the opportunity. Unions indeed put a stop to that.

The flip side of that coin is now a teenager with a single parent suffering some horrible disease is no longer able to go to work to support the family. That’s a shame.
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posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: Topcraft

The problem with that is that salary or pay is part of the contract.

You have to go with the idea that the contract is violated by the union which means throwing them out and going on the grounds that the whole thing needs to be renegotiated.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: Topcraft

Agreed, it is a monumental undertaking. But if they outright refuse to teach our kids, what choice is there?

I support 99% of the unions out there. I largely disagree with their politics, but they negotiate in good faith for their members and keep rich fat cats in check. I’m all for that

My problem is when they start using children as bargaining chips the gloves come off and the games are done

I appreciate your input 👍🏻👍🏻



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 03:09 PM
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We have unions to thank for the inability to fire bad cops, bad teachers and lazy workers. Wherever you have a union, you need at least two or three people to do the job of one non-union worker.

Unions did a LOT of good in the beginning, but have grown too big, powerful and wealthy to have any interests but their own at heart....kind of like career politicians.

Unions are SO yesterday! All you need now are a few riots to work miracles and get what you want; they can turn a career thug into a national hero in no time!





posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: nugget1

Part of that is because they split a one person job into several people earning that pay. Every worker they get in the union pays dues and those dues make the union rich. So you get bloat and excuses to make any and every task and union job.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 03:15 PM
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The Teachers Unions have been infiltrated and degraded down to useless and total political dictatorial.

Velcomm Democrat Parti !!

The "Members" are no longer in control 🪀

Cloward-Piven underway on large scales 🤖



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

I wonder if this vote they took in Chicago for remote schooling is a breach of their contract. I guess we will find out as some parents have filed a lawsuit.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

This reminds me of the air traffic controllers union strike way back in the Reagan era. Their strike got to the point of shutting down the entire airline industry, and Reagan gave the ultimatum to either go back to work or be fired.

They went back to work.

Air Trafic Controllers Strike
Reagan’s firing of striking air traffic controllers set the stage for his presidency
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Every union that concerns public, government employment should be abolished...
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At the very least, forbidden to strike.
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posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Wow, is that a leap of logic. You should take a person's statement seriously, whether you trust/mistrust or like/dislike them, and respond to the logic of the augment presented. Asserting personal assumptions sacrifices your own credibility.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 05:11 PM
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a reply to: nugget1

Not all unions are the same...yea I think that sums it up. Some are corrupt and some are out to enrich themselves but others operate as they should. My union IATSE is one that I feel operates properly. If I don't do my job or I screw up and my employer wants me gone never to return...it will happen. I will get a letter of no rehire and or a no trespass order which bans me from a venue.

On the flip side as I just had happened recently...a company forgets to cancel my gig and I spend my time and money to show up, I still get paid my 4hr minimum. On top of that, like just happened to me, they can't just be like or well we have this other crew working on X project just go so that since we had to play you to be here. If that job isn't what I was dispatched for I can take my 4hrs and go home. I don't appreciate being abused by my employer and like the protections my union gives me...but I am not immune from my own mistakes or screw ups.



posted on Jan, 9 2022 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Soloprotocol

And once their employer fires the lot of them, a simultaneous job offer can be made for those who want to stay on (those who do not wish to live under a bridge)

The Nazis banned Unions then sent their leaders to concentration camps. I guess you would be happy with that?.



I'd be good with the banning part.

Are the concentration camps really required to get rid of government employee unions?

Or is that just a dishonest distraction and fascist projection attempt?

It's that last one, isn't it?




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