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posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 05:48 AM
Still no denial, no debunking, hmm, maybe onebigmonkeytoo became a believer, is that even possible?

posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 08:37 AM
It's time to shed some light on the fact that not only has degravitation been perfected in 19th century, but humanity gained and lost this tech cyclically for literally more than 70 million years. For now we will focus on last 12,000 years, first a little from Babylon and Chaldea and then India...

I quote from translations of babylonian Sifr'ala and Hakaltha by Yonah N. Ibn A’haron, Jewish six times doctor of mid-eastern lingua, having all possible credit and more to be THE authority on such translations.

In introducing his discoveries, he explained that the 5,000 year old Sifr’ala contained instructions on how to build and pilot an aircraft (Ibn A’haron, 1958)—a sort of Chaldean Viman Vidya it seems! In so doing, the ancient document makes use of a number of technical terms, such as: calibration, crystal indicator, copper coils, graphite rods, vibrating spheres, stable angles, etc. In addition, aeronautical jargon is used, such as: equilibrium, gliding capacity, stability, and wind resistance.

In this ancient text the vehicle is referred to as a marvid. Three spheres were mounted on the underside of the craft [a temple bas relief shows three spheres topside], and copper wire was wound around the main sphere forming an inductive coil. This was attached to the steering mechanism in such a way that the effective number of turns could be varied thereby—also the degree of contact made by the graphite rods (electrical resistors) with the two spheres at the rear of the craft. Thus by the use of one steering control, the craft could allegedly be guided in any direction desired by the pilot.

“The privilege of operating a flying machine is great. The knowledge of flight is among the most ancient of our inheritances: A gift from ‘those from upon high’. We received it from them as a means of saving many lives.” (Translated by Ibn A’haron, 1958)

Also from THE EPIC OF ISHTAR AND IZDUBAR we find quotes such as

At early dawn the shining ranks are massed,
And Erech echoes with the trumpet’s blast;
The chosen men of Erech are in line,
And Ishtar in her car above doth shine.

The sixty gods on chargers of the skies,
And Ishtar’s chariot before them flies.

Now roars the thunder of great Akkad’s cars,
Their brazen chariots as blazing stars,
Through Nuk-khu’s [darkness] depth with
streams of blazing fire
Thus fall upon the foe with vengeful ire.
The smoking earth shakes underneath their wheels,
And from each cloud their thunder loudly peals.

The Akkad on their foes have fiercely hurled
Their solid ranks with Nin-rad’s flag unfurled.
The charging lines meet with a fearful sound,
As tempests’ waves from rocks in rage rebound;
The foe thus meet the men of Izdubar,
While o’er the field fly the fierce gods of war.

The foe beheld the gods in wrath above
As Akkad’s charging lines toward them move,
The gods now rushing from the gleaming sky,
With blazing weapons carry victory;

Notice the similarty to indian war epics describing Vimanas, aerials chariots of the kings and "gods" often possessing incredible weapons. Some of them are said to be able to fly at speed of sound and some at speed of thought and able to reach other planets and even other planes of existence. Even aerial routes are given, not only for this plane but for all 7 planes surrounding Earth.

Best known sources that mention Vimanas are Mahābhārata and Rāmāyaṇa but Vimanas are not described only in these war epics, there are like 30 ancient indian texts which talk about these aerials cars and how to build them.

Vimanas in Ramayana

Pushpaka Vimana is described similar to a huge Jumbo Jet in Sundara Kanda and Yuddha Kanda.

Vibhishana says that after lunch Rama can reach Ayodhya before sunset if he travels in Pushpaka Vimana.

He says with Pushpaka Vimana, about 2200 KM can be travelled in less than 5 hours.
Which means it can travel at 440 KMPH !!
It Carried Rama, Sita, Lakshmana along with entire Vanara army. So it must be of great dimension.

Mahavira of Bhavabhuti (A Jain text of the eighth century culled from
older texts and traditions) describes aerial chariots, known as the Pushpakas
that conveyed many people to the capital of Ayodhya.

“The sky was full of stupendous flying-machines, dark as night, but picked out by lights with a yellowish glare."

In ancient vedic text Sabha-Paryana besides Vimanas are described "flying cities". They shone like silver, and they contained much food, water, a variety of drinks and all other necessities of life, and various defensive weapons of great destructive power. They could accommodate up to a thousand people. There are also similar descriptions of "flying cities" in the Mahabharata that could move and ascend high into the sky on their own and descend to the ground. On them was a huge door through which smaller aircraft (vimana) could fly in and out.

There is an alleged description of a battle of Atlantis and India in Ramayana that extended to the surface of the Moon.

Dr. Pinotti, said another text, 'Samarangana Sutradhara' had 230 stanzas devoted to the principles of building Vimanas and their use in peace and war.

“Having spoken thus, Maharaja Nirga made a complete circle around Lord Krishna and touched his crown to the Lord’s feet. Granted permission to depart, King Nirga then boarded a wonderful celestial car as all the people looked on.” (Bhagavata Purana)

“While Dhruva Maharaja was passing through space, he saw, in succession, all the planets of the solar system, and on the path he saw all the demigods in their vimanas showering flowers upon him like rain.” (Bhagavata Purana)

“He traveled in that way through the various planets, as the air passes freely in every direction. Coursing through the air in that grand and splendid vimana, which could fly at will, he surpassed even the Devas.” (Bhagavata Purana)

“Then the highly intelligent Asura Maya built the cities . . . There were many palaces with gems. Aerial cars shining like the sun, set with Padmaraga stones, moving in all directions and looking like moonbeams, illuminated the cities.” (Siva Purana)

“When morning dawned, Rama, taking the Celestial Car Puspaka had sent to him by Vivpishand, stood ready to depart. Self-propelled was that car. It was large and finely painted. It had two stories and many chambers with windows, and was draped with flags and banners. It gave forth a melodious sound as it coursed along its airy way.” (Ramayana)

“The Puspaka Car, that resembles the sun and belongs to my brother, was brought by the powerful Ravan; that aerial and excellent car, going everywhere at will, is ready for thee. That car, resembling a bright cloud in the sky, is in the city of Lanka.” (Ramayana)

“Beholding the car coming by force of will Rama attained to an excess of astonishment. And the king got in, and the excellent car, at the command of Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere. And in that car, coursing at will, Rama greatly delighted.” (Ramayana)

“When the Daityas were being slaughtered they again took to their vimana and, employing the Danava science, flew up into the sky . . . I (Arjuna) assaulted their vimana . . . Wounded by the flight of deadly-accurate iron missiles, the Asura vimana fell broken to the earth . . . Matali swiftly descended earthward, as in a steep dive, on our divinely effulgent car.” (Mahabharata)

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posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 08:39 AM
“Karna took up that fierce weapon, which resembled the tongue of the Destroyer or the Sister of Death. That terrible and effulgent dart, Naikartana, was hurled at the Rakshasa. Beholding that excellent and blazing weapon . . . the Rakshasa began to fly away in fear . . . Destroying that blazing illusion of Ghatotkacha and piercing right through his breast that resplendent dart soared aloft in the night . . . Ghatotkacha, then uttering diverse roars, fell, deprived of life by the dart of Sakra.” (Mahabharata)

“The vimana had all necessary equipment. It could not be conquered by the gods or demons. And it radiated light and reverberated with a deep rumbling sound. Its beauty captivated the minds of all who beheld it. Visvakarma, the lord of its design and construction, had created it by the power of his austerities, and its outline, like that of the sun, could not be easily delineated.

“And he also gave [unto Arjuna] a car furnished with celestial weapons whose banner bore a large ape . . . And its splendour, like that of the Sun, was so great that no one could gaze at it. It was the very car riding upon which the lord Soma had vanquished the Danavas. Resplendent with beauty, it looked like an evening cloud reflecting the effulgence of the setting Sun.”

“Bhima flew along in his car, resplendent as the sun and loud as thunder . . . The flying chariot shone like a flame in the night sky of summer . . . it swept by like a comet . . . It was if two suns were shining. Then the chariot rose up and all the heavens brightened.” (Mahabharata)

“And on this sunlike, divine, wonderful chariot the wise disciple of Kuru flew joyously upward. When becoming invisible to the mortals who walk the earth, he saw wondrous airborne chariots by the thousands.” (Mahabharata)

“And the celebrated Arjuna, having passed through successive regions of the heavens, at last beheld the city of Indra. And there he beheld celestial cars by thousands stationed in their respective places [an airport?] and capable of going everywhere at will, and he saw tens of thousands of such cars moving in every direction.” (Mahabharata)

“And having vanquished his foe, Krishna furnished with weapons and unwounded and accompanied by the kings, came out of Girivraja riding on that celestial car . . . upon that car Krishna now came out of the hill-fort. Possessed of the splendour of heated gold, and decked with rows of jingling bells . . . always slaughtering the foe against whom it was driven, it was the very car riding upon which Indra had slain ninety-nine Asuras of old.”

“And thereupon that best of cars became still more dazzling with its splendour and was incapable of being looked at by created beings, as the midday sun surrounded by a thousand rays . . . And Achyuta, that tiger among men, riding with the two sons of Pandu upon that celestial car . . .coming out of Girivraja, stopped (for some time) on a level plain outside of town.” (Mahabharata)

“We beheld in the sky what appeared to us to be a mass of scarlet cloud resembling the fierce flames of a blazing fire. From that mass many blazing missiles flashed, and tremendous roars, like the noise of a thousand drums beaten at once. And from it fell many weapons winged with gold and thousands of thunderbolts, with loud explosions, and many hundreds of fiery wheels. Loud became the uproar of falling horses, slain by these missiles, and of mighty elephants struck by the explosions . . . Those terrible Rakshasas had the shape of large mounds stationed in the sky.” (Mahabharata)

“Vimanas, decked and equipped according to rule, looked like heavenly structures in the sky . . .borne away they looked like highly beautiful flights of birds. (Mahabharata)

“Gifted with great energy the Rakshasa once more came down to Earth in his golden vimana . . .when it had landed it looked like a beautifully shaped mound of antimony on the surface of the ground.” (Ghatotrachabadma)

“The splendid chariot, made of silver and coated with tiger-skin, and bright like the fire itself, making a noise like the roaring of the clouds; defying all obstacles, adorned with jewels and gold, dazzling to the eyesight and bright . . . went speedily on, making space resound like unto the muttering cloud in the sky. He issued out of his abode like the beautiful moon passing through a huge cloud.” (Ayodhya Kandam, XVI, pp. 235-236)

“Manufacturing details of these machines are withheld for the sake of secrecy, not out of ignorance.” (Samarangana Sutradhara)

"The airplane occupied by Salva was very mysterious. It was so extraordinary that sometimes many airplanes would appear to be in the sky, and sometimes there were apparently none. Sometimes the plane was visible and sometimes not visible, and the warriors of the Yadu dynasty were puzzled about the whereabouts of the peculiar
airplane. Sometimes they would see the airplane on the ground, sometimes flying in the sky, sometimes resting on the peak of a hill and sometimes floating on the water. The wonderful airplane flew in the sky like a whirling firebrand - it was not steady even for a
moment." [ Bhaktivedanta, Swami Prabhupada, Krsna ]

"Cuka, flying on board a high-powered vimana, hurled on to the triple city a single projectile charged with all the power of the universe. An incandescent column of smoke and flame, as bright as ten thousand suns, rose in all the splendor... When the vimana returned to Earth, it looked like a splendid block of antimony resting on the ground."
[ Mausola Purva ]

"O King, this beautifully decorated airplane had been manufactured by the demon Maya and was equipped with weapons for all types of combat. It was inconceivable and indescribable. Indeed, it was sometimes visible and sometimes not. Seated in this airplane under a beautiful protective umbrella and being fanned by the best of camaras, Maharaja Bai, surrounded by his captains and commanders, appeared just like the moon rising in the evening, illuminating all directions."
[ Swami Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta, Srimad Bhagavatam ]

The writer and Sanskrit scholar Subramanyam Iyer has spent many years of his life deciphering old collections of palm leaves found in the villages of his native Karnataka in southern India. One of the palm leaf manuscripts they intend to decipher is the Amsu Bodhini, which, according to an anonymous text of 1931, contains information about the planets; the different kinds of light, heat, color, and electromagnetic fields; the methods used to construct machines capable of attracting solar rays and, in turn, of analyzing and separating their energy components; the possibility of conversing with people in remote places and sending messages by cable; and the manufacture of machines to transport people to other planets!

posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 08:40 AM
Outside Babylon and India we find these references.

"Harshacharita ("Deeds of Harsha"), 7th century biography of Indian emperor Harsha, speaks of a flying machine made by a Greek who had been taken prisoner. Laufer notes that the term for the aerial machine in this tale is 'a mechanical vehicle (yantray_na) which travels on the surface of the air'."

The following selections are from Dr. Benjamin B. Olshin, "Mechanical Mythology: Private Descriptions of Flying Machines as Found in Early Chinese, Korean, Indian, and Other Texts",

"The Chi Kung people were good at making mechanical devices for killing [all kinds of] birds. They could also make aerial carriages which, with a fair wind, traveled great distances. In the time of the emperor Thang [mid-second millennium B.C.], a westerly wind carried such a car as far as Yüchow, whereupon Thang had the car taken to pieces, not wishing his own people to see it. Ten years later there came an easterly wind (of sufficient strength), and then the car was reassembled and the visitors were sent back to their own country, which lies 40,000 li beyond the Jade Gate."
[ Chang Hua, "Po Wu Chih" ('Record of Investigation of Things') in the Po Wu Chih ]

"Some use the inner part of the jujube [=date] tree to make a flying vehicle, using ox leather straps fastened to encircling blades, so as to propel this machine. Some others have the idea of making five snakes, six dragons, and three oxen [these are kites in the shape of these animals] encounter the 'hard wind', and so ride it (i.e., the vehicle), rising up 40 li. [That region] is called the Tai Qing ('Area of Upper Air'). In the Tai Qing region, the air is very hard, and can lift people. The Master says that a yuan [this word can mean 'kite' or 'hawk'] flying, spiraling higher and higher, only needs to straighten out its two wings and not flap them any more to move forward, because it is riding on the hard wind. The dragons when they first rise up, step on the clouds, going to 40 li [altitude], then fly by themselves. This account comes from the [Taoist] adepts, and is recounted, being handed down to ordinary people, yet the common people are not really able to understand it."
[ Ko Hung (A.D. 283-343), Pao Pu Tzu ]

I have intentionally omitted the Vimanika Shastra because it was allegedly obtained by channeling, something most people (foolishly) dismiss. In the case you don't here it is.

Don't get me wrong, 99,9999% of channeling especially modern youtube ones are complete and utter bs, but some especially older ones are not and contain very valuable info.

Speech by Capt. Bodas at Indian Science Congress 2015

Vimana animation

"O disciple, a student in the science of government, sail in
oceans in steamers, fly in the air in airplanes, know God the creator through the Vedas, control thy breath through yoga, through astronomy know the functions of day and night, know all the Vedas, Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atharva, by means of their constituent parts."

"Through astronomy, geography, and geology, go thou to all the different countries of the world under the sun. Mayest thou attain through good preaching to statesmanship and artisanship, through medical science obtain knowledge of all medicinal plants, through hydrostatics learn the different uses of water, through electricity understand the working of ever lustrous lightening. Carry out my instructions willingly." (Yajur-veda 6.21).

"O royal skilled engineer, construct sea-boats, propelled on water by our experts, and airplanes, moving and flying upward, after the clouds that reside in the midregion, that fly as the boats move on the sea, that fly high over and below the watery clouds. Be thou, thereby, prosperous in this world created by the Omnipresent God, and flier in both air and lightning." (Yajur-veda 10.19).

"The atomic energy fissions the ninety-nine elements, covering its path by the bombardments of neutrons without let or hindrance. Desirous of stalking the head, ie. The chief part of the swift power, hidden in the mass of molecular adjustments of the elements, this atomic energy approaches it in the very act of fissioning it by the above-noted bombardment. Herein, verily the scientists know the similar hidden striking force of the rays of the sun working in the orbit of the moon." (Atharva-veda 20.41.1-3).

Kathasaritsagara, 11th-century collection of Indian legends, refers to highly talented woodworkers called Rajyadhara and Pranadhara. The former was so skilled in mechanical contrivances that he could make ocean crossing chariots. And the latter manufactured a flying chariot to carry a thousand passengers in the air. These chariots were stated to be as fast as thought itself.

The Rig Veda, the oldest document of the human race includes references to the following modes of transportation:

Jalayan - a vehicle designed to operate in air and water. (Rig Veda 6.58.3)
Kaara - a vehicle that operates on ground and in water. (Rig Veda 9.14.1)
Tritala - a vehicle consisting of three stories. (Rig Veda 3.14.1)
Trichakra Ratha - a three-wheeled vehicle designed to operate in the air. (Rig Veda 4.36.1)
Vaayu Ratha - a gas or wind-powered chariot. (Rig Veda 5.41.6)
Vidyut Ratha - a vehicle that operates on power. (Rig Veda 3.14.1).

The Arthasastra of Kautilya (c. 3rd century B.C.) mentions amongst various tradesmen and technocrats the Saubhikas as ' pilots conducting vehicles in the sky'. Saubha was the name of the aerial flying city of King Harishchandra and the form 'Saubika' means 'one who flies or knows the art of flying an aerial city.' Kautilya uses another significant word 'Akasa Yodhinah', which has been translated as 'persons who are trained to fight from the sky.' The existence of aerial chariots, in whatever form it might be, was so well-known that it found a place among the royal edicts of the Emperor Asoka which were executed during his reign from 256 B.C. - 237 B. C.

"Now Vata’s chariot’s greatness! Breaking goes it, And Thunderous is its noise, To heaven it touches, Makes light lurid [a red fiery glare], and whirls dust upon the earth."
(Rig-Veda - Vata is the Aryan god of wind)

Sage Agastya is mentioned in Mahabharata of 4000 BC. The “Agastya Samhita”, ancient document on gems, gives Agastya’s descriptions of two types of aeroplanes. The first is a “chchatra” (umbrella or balloon) to be filled with hydrogen. The process of extracting hydrogen from water is described in elaborate detail and the use of electricity in achieving this is clearly stated. This was stated to be a primitive type of plane, useful only for escaping from a fort when the enemy had set fire to the jungle all around. Hence the name “Agniyana”. The second type of aircraft mentioned is somewhat on the lines of the parachute. It could be opened and shut by operating chords. This aircraft has been described as “vimanadvigunam” i.e. of a lower order than the regular aeroplane.

posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 08:44 AM
And scientific analysis of above mentioned Samarangana Sutradhara, 11th century text attributed to King Bhoja. I personally don't like this one too much because it implies mercury is used as jet propulsion. This probably was so in case of these vimanas, but mercury is usually used for gravitational effects. It seems the newer the reference more primitive the technology.

"There are two types of Vimanas described in Samarangana Sutradhara of Bhojadeva. They are Laghu Dharu vimana and Alaghu Dharu vimana. Bhoja deva in his text has also mentioned that he personally has seen a few of the vimanas which he has described."

Laghu Dharu Vimana

Verses 95-96 of chapter 31 of Samarangana Sutradhara describes Laghu Dharu vimana. It is the most fascinating yantra described by Bhojadeva in his works. Even though he gives the barest details, this book is one of the few sanskrit texts which speaks about the actual construction of vimanas. (Sharma 2012:380-81)

“Laghu dharumayam mahavihangam dhruda suslishta tanum vidhaaya tasya|
Udare rasayantram aadadeetha jvalanaadhaaramadho asya chaati poornam||
Taroodaha purushastasya pakshadwandwochaallaprojjitena anilena|
Sputasvantaha Paaradasyasya shaktya chitram kurvannambare yaati dooram||”

According to Bhojadeva main material of the body of vimana is lightwood-„Laghu Dharu‟, shape of the vimana is that of a huge bird-„maha vihanga‟ with a wing on both the sides. He explains that the internal structure has a fire chamber with mercury placed over flame which acts as a motive force. The power generated by the heated mercury, helped by the concurrent action of the wings which are flapped by a rider inside, makes the yantra go up and travel far. (Raghavan 1952:23-24)

Alaghu Dharu Vimana

Verses 97-98 of chapter 31 of Samarangana Sutradhara describes Alaghu Dharu vimana which is a heavier Dharu vimana. (Sharma 2012:381-82)

“Ityameva suramandiratulyam sanchalatyam alaghu dharuvimanam|
Aadadheetha vidhinaa chaturo antastasya paradabruthan drudhakumbhaam||
Ataha kapaala ahita manda vahni pratapta tat kumbha bhuvaa gunena|
Vyomno jhagityabharanatvameti santapta garjad rasarajashaktya||”

While laghu Dharu vimana is in the shape of bird, alaghu Dharu vimana is in the shape of temple. It flies along a heavy aerial car made of wood. It is a heavier Dharu vimana which contains four pitchers of mercury over iron ovens. When mercury i.e. „rasaraja‟ is heated, it explodes quickly and becomes an object of decoration in the sky mainly because of pots heated by the slow ignition burnt within the steel or Iron potsherds.

According to Bhojadeva the boiling mercury ovens produce a terrific noise which can scare away the elephants. Hence it is used in battles for the same purpose. The roar could be increased by strengthening the mercury chambers, so that elephants are thrown completely out of control. This specific military use of aircraft against elephants tempts one to suggest that the Hasti-yantra advocated by Kautilya against elephants was something like the heavier Dharu-vimana described by Bhoja. (Raghavan 1952:24)

posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 08:48 AM
The Kebra Nagast, var. Kebra Negast (Ge'ez: ክብረ ነገሥት, kəbrä nägäśt), or The Glory of the Kings, is a 14th-century[1] national epic account written in Ge'ez by Is'haq Neburä -Id of Axum. The text, in its existing form, is at least 700 years old and is considered by many Ethiopian Christians to be a historically reliable work. It is considered to hold the genealogy of the Solomonic dynasty, which followed the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

These parts tell of King Solomon's flying wagons which he did not use, but his son Menelik did. Notice in the second to last paragraf as they (supposedly led by Menelik) came to Egypt in their floating wagons, Egyptians, themselves having lost that tech, took 'em for gods and broke into pieces statues of their gods.

Translation by E.A.W. Budge, 1922

And the Queen said unto Solomon, "Dismiss me, and let me depart to my own country." And he went into his house and gave unto her whatsoever she wished for of splendid things and riches, and beautiful apparel which bewitched the eyes, and everything on which great store was set in the country of Ethiopia, and camels and wagons, six thousand in number, which were laden with beautiful things of the most desirable kind, and wagons wherein loads were carried over the desert, and a vessel wherein one could travel over the sea, and a vessel wherein one could traverse the air (or winds), which Solomon had made by the wisdom that God had given unto him.

And they loaded the wagons, and the horses, and the mules in order to depart, and they set out on their journey prosperously, and they continued to travel on. And Michael the [Arch] Angel marched in front, and he spread out [his wings] and made them to march through the sea as upon dry land, and upon the dry land he cut a path for them and spreading himself out like a cloud over them he hid them from the fiery heat of the sun. And as for their wagons, no man hauled his wagon, but he himself (i.e. Michael) marched with the wagons, and whether it was men, or horses, or mules, or loaded camels, each was raised above the ground to the height of a cubit; and all those who rode upon beasts were lifted up above their backs to the height of one span of a man, and all the various kinds of baggage which were loaded on the beasts, as well as those who were mounted on them, were raised up to the height of one span of a man, and the beasts were lifted up to the height of one span of a man. And every one travelled in the wagons like a ship on the sea when the wind bloweth, and Iike a hat through the air when the desire of his belly urgeth him to devour his companions, and like an eagle when his body glideth above the wind. Thus did they travel; there was none in front and none behind, and they were disturbed neither on the right hand nor on the left.

And when the sons of the warriors of Israel saw that they had come in one day a distance of thirteen days’ march, and that they were not tired, or hungry, or thirsty, neither man nor beast, and that they all [felt] that they had eaten and drunk their fill, these sons of the warriors of Israel knew and believed that this thing was from God. And they said unto their king, "Let us let down the wagons, for we have come to the water of Ethiopia. This is the Takkazî which floweth down from Ethiopia, and watereth the Valley of Egypt"; and they let down their wagons there, and set up their tents.

Then the wagons rose up (i.e. resumed their journey) as before, and they set out early in the morning, and the people sang songs to Zion, and they were all raised up the space of a cubit, and as the people of the country of Egypt bade them farewell, they passed before them like shadows, and the people of the country of Egypt worshipped them, for they saw Zion moving in the heavens like the sun, and they all ran with the wagon of Zion, some in front of her and some behind her. ...And the sea worshipped Zion. And whilst its billows were tossing about like the mountains their wagons were raised above the waves for a space of three cubits, and among the sound of the songs the [noise of the] breaking of the waves of the sea was wonderful....

And the King and his soldiers marched quickly, and they came to Gâzâ. And the King asked the people, saying, "When did my son leave you?" And they answered and said unto him, "He left us three days ago. And having loaded their wagons none of them travelled on the ground, but in wagons that were suspended in the air; and they were swifter than the eagles that are in the sky, and all their baggage travelled with them in wagons above the winds. As for us, we thought that thou hadst, in thy wisdom, made them to travel in wagons above the winds." And the King said unto them, "Was Zion, the Tabernacle of the Law of God, with them?" And they said unto him, "We did not see anything."

They reached there after a passage of three days on the Takkazî, the river of Egypt, and they were blowing flutes, and they travelled on wagons like the host of the heavenly beings. And those who saw them said concerning them, 'These, having once been creatures of earth, have become beings of heaven. Who then is wiser than Solomon the King of Judah? But he never travelled in this wise in a wagon of the winds. And those who were in the cities and towns were witnesses that, when these men came into the land of Egypt, our gods and the gods of the King fell down, and were dashed in pieces, and the towers of the idols were likewise broken into fragments.

But King David, with his soldiers, and the armies of his soldiers, and all those who obeyed his word, ran by the wagons without pain or suffering, and without hunger or thirst, and without sweat or exhaustion, and travelled in one day a distance which [usually] took three months to traverse.

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posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 11:15 AM
Few more references to ancient flyers. First two from the book SECRETS OF LOST RACES which can be downloaded here
And the third from 64 secrets that are still ahead of Us

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posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 11:22 AM
African shaman filmed by German TV crew in 1989.

posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 04:25 PM
Quick question

You are 8 pages deep into your thread…I admittedly have not read every post.

However, of what I did read …I didn’t pick out, and of course could have missed it….where you have gotten the answer to your thread ….

“ Looking for a documentary Lunar Elfin Wonders”

If this was answered…..can you link to the post which answers your thread question?

I’d like to see the documentary.


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posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 09:18 PM
Wish i could but it was a long time ago, a thread about lunar anomalies, can't remember the exact title.

It doesn't matter anymore, now that everything has been exposed.

posted on Jan, 19 2022 @ 11:19 PM
Few more quotes about Vimanas

King Yudhishthira’s Ascent to Heaven
From Protap Chandra Roy’s translation of the Mahabharata

“Causing the heaven and the earth to be filled by a loud sound, then Indra came to Yudhishthira on a car and asked him to ascend it.

“Seeing his brothers fallen on the earth, King Yudhishthira the just said to that deity of a thousand eyes these words: ‘My brothers have all dropped down here! They must go with me. Without them by me, I do not wish to go to the celestial region, O lord of all the celestials. The delicate princess Draupadi, deserving of every comfort, should go with us! You should permit this.’

“Indra answered, ‘You shall behold your brothers in the celestial region. They have reached it before you. Indeed, you shall see all of them there, with Krishna. Do not give way to grief, O chief of the Bharatas! Having renounced their human bodies they have gone there, O chief of the Bharata race! As for you, it is ordained that you shall go there in this very body of yours.’“

[After a long debate between the two the following occurs.]

“Then Dharma and Indra and the other deities, causing Yudhishthira to ascend on a car, went to the celestial region. Those beings crowned with success and capable of going everywhere at will, rode their respective cars. King Yudhishthira, riding on his car, ascended quickly, causing the entire sky to blaze with his effulgence.”

“Indra’s vimana endued with great effulgence and driven by Matali, came dividing the clouds and illuminating the firmament, filling the entire sky with its roar . . . also propellers furnished with wheels, working with atmospheric expansion, producing sounds loud as the roar of great masses of clouds. . . Indra’s vimana was whisked along with such speed that the eye could scarcely follow.” (Vana Parva, Sec. xlii)

“Salva chose a vimana that could not be destroyed by Devas, Asuras, humans, Gandharvas, Uragas nor Rakshasas, that could travel anywhere he wished to go, and that would terrify the Varishnis.”

“Lord Siva said, ‘So be it.’ On his order, Maya Danava, who conquers his enemies’ cities, constructed a flying vehicle made of iron named Saubha, and presented it to Salva.”

Maya Danava, the demon engineer, was described as a being from the planetary system called Taltala. He was also a great architect and designed palaces full of illusion for the kings. One of the illusions were ponds of water, some real, some virtual (holographic?)

“This unassailable vehicle was filled with darkness and could go anywhere. Upon obtaining it, Salva, remembering the Varishnis’ enmity toward him, proceeded to the city of Dwarka."

“Salva besieged the city with a large army, O best of the Bharatas, decimating the outlying parks and gardens, the mansions along with their observatories, towering gateways and surrounding walls, and also the public recreational areas.”

“From his excellent vimana he threw down a torrent of projectiles . . . A fierce vortex arose and blanketed the entire area with billowing dust.”—Bhavagata Purana (10.76)

And this already posted above but repeated for context

“The airplane occupied by Salva was very mysterious. It was so extraordinary that sometimes many airplanes would appear to be in the sky, and sometimes there were apparently none. Sometimes the plane was visible and sometimes not visible, and the warriors of the Yadu dynasty were puzzled about the whereabouts of the peculiar airplane. Sometimes they would see the airplane on the ground, sometimes flying in the sky, sometimes resting on the peak of a hill, and sometimes floating on the water. The wonderful airplane flew in the sky like a whirling firebrand—it was not steady even for a moment.” (Bhaktivedanta, 1986)

Some more from SAMARANGANA SUTRADHARA, partially repeated

“Strong and durable must the yantra’s body be made, of light material and having wings joined smoothly with invisible seams. It can carry passengers, it can be made small and compact, it can move in silence. If sound is to be used successfully, there must be great flexibility in the driving mechanism, and all must be put together flawlessly. In order for it to accomplish its intended purpose, it must be extremely durable, it must be well covered in . . . it must not become too hot, too stiff, nor too soft, and its sharp-pointed battering ram must also be indestructible. Indeed, the machine’s main qualities, which are remembered by one and all, include unending motion—which is to say perpetual motion. Smoothness is one of the machines supreme qualities; thus, the workings of the machine must be versatile, complete, not given to expansion, never complaining, and always applicable to the task.”

“At the critical time the beam of fire must be released, which will make the action possible. The time-beam expands, accompanied by the thunder of the expanding medium. This resultant expansion performs work like an elephant in an endless cycle.”

“The manufacturing of a conquering yantra is greatly to be desired . . . using light-weight wood to build a great air-going machine of a strong-bodied type. In the central container is the liquid consumed by the engine, which gradually burns away during complete combustion.”

“Fully renown are the techniques for mastering the following motions: vertical ascent; vertical descent; forwards; backwards; normal ascent; normal descent; slanting; progressing over long distances through proper adjustment of the working parts . . . its air-rending sound and roaring thunder can easily drown out the trumpeting of an elephant in panic—but it can also be moved by musical tones."

“Shining in every direction, their machine (yantra) could travel wherever the imagination dictated. From their great height they saw stimulating dances, drama plays, and pristine ritualistic ceremonies. Their yantra gained renown among Royal dynasties and various nations. In such a manner the High-Souled ones flew, while the lower classes walked. All those friends succeeded in their much-deserved acquisition of a yantra, by means of which human beings can fly in the air, and non-earthling, Celestial Beings, can come down to mortals when visiting the Earth.”

“. . . Thus, inside one must place the Mercury-engine; and properly mounted beneath it, the iron heating apparatus. Men thusly set the dual-winged, driving whirlwind in motion; and the concealed pilot, by means of the mercury-power, may travel a great distance in the sky.”

“An extremely swift and nimble vimana can be built, as large as the temple of the God-in-motion. Into the interior structure four strong mercury containers must be installed. When these have been heated by a controlled fire from iron containers, the flying machine develops thunder-power through the mercury, becoming a highly desirable yantra. Moreover, if this iron engine with properly welded joints be filled with fluid [mercury?], when ascending or descending over land it generates power with the roar of a lion."

“The machine’s construction and operating details are not publicly disclosed. For if their motivative power be made known publicly to others—giving out results described elsewhere—elements of these machines could be wrongly used.”

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posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 02:04 AM
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posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 02:59 AM

originally posted by: tachyonator9
I wrote a longer post with descriptions and links to books but i remembered giving knowledge to those not ready is not only not useful but dangerous. Besides, you (at least you two posting here) by far do NOT deserve knowledge. But still i will leave this screenshot from the book, that's all.

You sure do think a lot of yourself

Maybe try to be less condescending it's very off-putting

Also "colour" is also a correct spelling for someone whose so "smart" shouldn't you know that?

At any rate if you keep up w your manner like it is yiur time here on ATS will be short

posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 03:24 AM

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

You sure do think a lot of yourself

Maybe try to be less condescending it's very off-putting

Also "colour" is also a correct spelling for someone whose so "smart" shouldn't you know that?

At any rate if you keep up w your manner like it is yiur time here on ATS will be short

I was intentionally "condescending" in that post because i was replying to sarcasm and complete absence of gratitude for all the info.

I know colour is a correct spelling in the UK, that was a joke. And your sarcasm is also out of place. I am not trying to show i am "smart", i just try to shed more light on the subjects which deserve it, which in mind of many before this thread were vague myths, nothing of import, but when well sourced key information is concentrated in this manner, that fog of disbelief is dispelled and chilling implications of the TRUTH take it's place.

As for your comment on my manners and time at ATS i am not trolling anyone, not posting anything vulgar or demeaning in any way. You may accuse me of posting stuff that is not direcly related to the title, for that i am guilty, but, again, i say people should be told the truth.

posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 04:06 AM
With all that about ancient flying machines, here are just a few indications/evidence of preflood advanced civilization

234 feet aka 71 meters high Pyramid discovered near the Azores in 2013 (38.22°N 26.21°W)

The alleged discovery of the pyramid and the city next to Bimini Dr. Ray Brown 1970.

Yonaguni Monument

Ancient Antenna Found At the Bottom of Antarctica's Sea: Eltanin Antenna

Pillars with inscriptions found 2km beneath Pacific. I found this one and sent it to Jack Churchward

posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 10:08 AM
Some more on Vimanas..

In the Vedic texts, self-sustaining flying cities, travelling indefinitely through space, are also mentioned. Thompson, in “Alien Identities” writes about a set of three flying cities built by Maya Dānava for the sons of the Asura Tāraka. In the scripture, Śiva Purāṇa, these cities are described as follows:

Then the highly intelligent Maya built the cities by means of his penance: the golden one for Tārakākṣa, the silver one for Kamalākṣa, and the steel one for Vidyunmālī. The three fortlike excellent cities were in order in heaven, sky and on the earth. … Entering the three cities thus, the sons of Tāraka, the three fortlike excellent cities were in order in heaven, sky and on the earth. … Entering the three cities thus, the sons of Tāraka, of great strength and valour, experienced all enjoyments. They had many Kalpa trees there. Elephants and horses were in plenty. There were many palaces with gems. Aerial chariots shining like the solar sphere, set with Padmarāga stones, moving in all directions and looking like moonshine, illuminated the cities.

In Bhāgavata Purāṇa, A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda (1896-1977) detailed three different processes how to move in and through outer space, as described in the Vedic texts.

The first, and less advanced, are the mechanical spaceships, similar to those we read about in old-fashion science-fiction books and comic strips. They are called ka-pota-vāhu. Ka in this sense means “ether,” or “space,” and pota means “ship.” Nonetheless, these spaceships don’t travel through deep space for thousands of years, but are using portals, wormholes—or “hyperspace,” as it used to be called in old science fiction literature.

The second process is called ākāśā-patana. Thompson quotes the scripture, Bhaktivedanta here, and it says, “Just as the mind can fly anywhere one likes without mechanical arrangement, so the ākāśā-patanaairplane can fly at the speed of mind.” When we research the old Vedic texts, we notice that the Vimānas—the Vedic flying machines—seem to be using ākāśā-patana as well, and the same thing can be said about the modern UFOs that flicker in the sky, appearing and disappearing in and out of our reality. Not all Vimānas, however, seem to be flying by the pilot’s mind, but fit better under category #1 above.

posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 09:39 PM
Here is also the Dweller on two planets, this book is the most valuable occult material ever given to mankind, ghost written by then 17-18 year old kid living at the foot of Mt Shasta in late 1880s, published after his premature death by his mother. So, in this book we learn about the state of civilization little over 13,000 years ago, Atlantis as it was highly developed technically but spiritually not specially so and Suern (India) who had incredible astral-mental powers, they did no labor but closed their eyes and prayed and plentiful foods of vegan type appeared 'miraculously' before them. This may sound incredible to those not familiar with countless similar manifestations by the yogis. In earlier days Atlantis in their airships they called Vailixi attacked Suern but were stopped by wise Rishi, one of whom easily stopped the whole Atlantean armies simply by raising his hands and projecting his astral-mental influence he selectively killed only the leaders, the generals while the rest scattered around and ran back into vailixi. Later, other nearby more primitive peoples like Chaldeans also attacked Suern and experienced a similar faith. So here is just one chapter from the Dweller describing the voyage to Suern, just so you get the impression of the capabilities of these ancient airships powered by cold electricity they called "Navaz". Vailixi from vai meaning to go, or "goer", Atlantean is clearly a root language of Latin as we see in another phrase in Atlantean "Axte Incal Axtuce Mun" or "To know God is to know all worlds", notice mun is the root word for mundo, meaning world in many modern latin languages.

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posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 09:55 PM
1km high Maxt Tower that is now lying on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

Quote from Dweller on two planets

"Of aluminum was the giant tower of the Maxt constructed. I could see its base from where I stood, an enormous cube of masonry, then the superstructural round shaft of solid metal of the tower proper, a dully white, tapering column, lit by lunar rays. From base upward, my gaze traveled until it rested on the top, an apical point nearly three thousand feet in height. Entranced by this crowning triumph of the scene, I gazed at the heaven-piercing shaft; sentinel over the garden city, warding off the lightnings, when the lord of thunder was abroad; and all my thought was of its grandeur, and its majestic beauty."

You may think 1km of solid aluminum is a lot, how did they have so much of it.
Here is your answer.

"In this year A. D., 1886, chemists count the process costly which produces the metal, aluminum. In that day, forces arising from the Night-Side rendered inexpensive the production of any metal which might be found in nature, either native, or as an ore. As it might be done to-day didst thou but know how, and that day is not far off when thou wilt again uncover the knowledge, so, in that time, we transmuted clay, first raising its atomic speed so that it became white light of a pale illuminating power and then reducing it to the, so to speak, chemical "mile-post" of aluminum, and this at a cost not nearly so great as in this modern day it takes to get iron from its ores. The mines of native metals, as gold, silver, copper, and so on, were valuable then, as now, requiring no processing save smelting. But a metal which might be obtained from any ledge of slate rock, or a bed of clay, was so inexpensive as to be the chief base metal in use."

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posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 10:14 PM
We hear this story from late Jerry Decker, creator of KeelyNet. This is supposedly happening in early 90s.

On a Personal Note – Years ago, at one of our Vanguard Sciences Roundtables in Dallas, a man who was President of a Gravity Research organization swore to me that he received a call from a stranger telling him he had developed a means to reduce local gravity to control the weight of any mass to which it was attached.

The man telling me this didn’t believe it so the caller offered to demonstrate the device but he wouldn’t permit any photos or give any details of how it worked. My friend drove out to the far end of a mall in Waco, Texas where the caller was sitting inside a Jeep. No one was else was around so they had no fear of being interrupted.

They greeted each other and the caller got inside the Jeep, put it in neutral and asked that my friend get behind the Jeep and push it to get an idea of how hard it was to move. The caller sat inside the Jeep while my friend pushed it about 5 feet. The caller put on the brakes, turned on the engine and backed it up to the original location.

My friend walked to the drivers side where the caller had turned off the engine. He reached under the dash and flipped a hidden toggle switch. The caller sat in the Jeep and asked my friend to again go to the rear of the Jeep and push. This time, the Jeep moved with the touch of a finger! Like a giant balloon offering almost no resistance as it travelled a good 10 feet with the slightest push.

Of course, he was astonished and wanted to know more. The caller got out of the Jeep, went to the front and crouched down, pointed to a small black box mounted inside the wheel well above the tire. A cable ran from the small black box to a device inside the Jeep which the switch controlled.

Each wheel had an identical device and cable leading to the inside control device. The caller said when power was applied, the local gravity was repelled so that the Jeep was enveloped in an energy field where gravity and inertia were reduced, that he had it set for a given percentage of weight loss but could adjust it to whatever level he wished, even to outright levitation.

The caller would not provide any details about the nature of the box, but my friend thanked him for the demonstration, turned off the gravity nullifier device and drove off into the sunset leaving my friend baffled at what he had just seen.

As is so often the case with such stories, I asked my friend if he got a name and contact information for this mystery inventor and he said yes, but his wife washed his clothes where he had left the paper so it was destroyed.

I asked him if he noticed anything unusual and he said he thought there was a slight whirring sound when the device was energized.

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posted on Jan, 20 2022 @ 10:17 PM
This stuff goes on endlessly so i draw the line here.
Anyone intelligent had more than enough to get the picture.

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