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originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyTooAww diddums..
How do you explain the difference, the high contrast, brown Moon in the videos... And the official look, this one being Apollo 17 shot of Tsiolkovsky from Wikipedia, i could've picked any other one as i shown before, or other space agency, they ALL show it like this. I assume you're gonna say it's the "lightning effect"
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: tachyonator9
Vlad's is not original, it's just a copy of the NASA image, which is correctly oriented as anyone can check by looking at any map of the moon you care to look at. His claims that they weren't publicly available is a lie.
originally posted by: tachyonator9
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: tachyonator9
Never said it was fake, I said it was a crappy copy. It clearly is.
Sure sure, let's compare the "good copy" and "crappy copy" again.
You said he was given them by 'an unknown insider', which is implying some under the counter exchange at a secret rendezvous, when in fact it was just NASA, or a retailer selking NASA images. You yourself claimed they weren't publicly available. You were wrong. You're saying the close up photo from 'Vlad' isn't flipped. You're wrong.
I wrote as anyone can check that i don't know the source and i suspect it was given to him by an insider (as it surely was).
Now...The "available" frame as08-14-2447 is ridiculously fake, TOTALLY airbrushed, washed out of color and detail and contrary to what you claim it is even flipped too as if all the above was not enough. Vlad's photo is in correct orientation. Do you understand you are embarrassing yourself by insisting that official version of as08-14-2447 is not flipped.
You posted images of fake newspaper front pages to create a false narrative.
The Register frontpage with AS08-12-2196 which is a screenshot from video about Adamski is totally irrelevant. I don't have a way to check if that frontpage is real or not, altho that would be relatively easy by looking into their archives. Even if it's fake that is totally irrelevant.
You posted videos saying the location wasn't known when it is.
Totally unclear what you are referring to, i assume it is the Moon real color video and i said the truth cause i don't know the exact location, all i know is it's the far side.
You incorrectly attribute image sources, but apparently I'm a lazy researcher.
You are repeating yourself and lamely so. I take it back, you are not lazy, you are just a liar and a deceiver.
You criticise space agencies other than NASA for their image standards despite their images being better than the ones you post.
Again this idiotic grasping on the idea just because official frames look as they do (washedout/airbrushed..) and they come in "higher res" they are automatically by your twisted logic "better" it matters not in your inverted mind that even if resolution was 1 trillion megapixels and if there was 1 trillion of such frames, they would not be worth dogsh*t cause they are all FAKE, that is, nearly all information has been removed
You posted poor quality images and claim they are better.
Already addressed your idea of "better"
You claim alteration of images but offer no proof.
Proof is obvious to anyone intelligent who does even a most basic research of materials they published over the decades. You have still not addressed the how do you explain the difference between brown, high contrast Moon in the two videos i linked and 100% grey washed out to the point of non existence dead dull Moon we see in most official stills...
You studiously ignore all tbe inconvenient truths and misrepresent genuine information.
I really wonder how much they pay you for this cause you're bad at it.
You call me a shill and liar, then bitch about ad hominems in a post that contained none.
Oh please, you started bitching and crying just cause i wrote "insert lies" when quoting your LIES
I call you a shill and a liar cause you ARE a shill and a liar. Well, liar you are 100% for shill i can't be sure.
Tsiolkovskiy crater is not a lake. Not a single photo shows that. There are no cities on tbe moon.
Also, Krusty the Clown was the first president of the USA
Poor baby, did that offend you?
originally posted by: tachyonator9
Needless to say you never addressed the extreme difference of Moon look in two videos i linked and few full color Apollo non or mostly nonairbrushed frames and 100% gray,100% washedout, 100% contrastless, 100% detailless, 100% fake great majority of Moon surfaces photos from all major agencies, not just NASA. Are you claiming the two videos and these rare early Apollo frames showing VERY RICH color, contrast, detail etc are fake, artificially colorized hoaxaes or our poor Moon became pale due to stress in last few decades (poor thing).
As another example let's compare this full color Earthrise by KAGUYA from 2008 and AS11-44-6642
Description of the frame "JOHNSON SPACE CENTER, HOUSTON, TEXAS - With a half-Earth in the background, the Lunar Module ascent stage with Moon-walking astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin Jr. approaches for a rendezvous with the Apollo Command Module manned by Michael Collins. The Apollo 11 liftoff from the Moon came early, ending a 22-hour stay on the Moon by Armstrong and Aldrin."
archive.org...
www.youtube.com...
Actually let me back up a little, let's first address how come this frame which is a very popular one and is shown in rich color at archive.org... and all over but eol.jsc.nasa.gov... poor thing lost all it's color and contrast, oh it must be the archive.org that took this "original" and added fake color and contrast, right!
Let's not forget about KAGUYA FULL COLOR shot also of the near side from 2008, well well..
And yet even at nasa.gov there can still be found even tho EXTREMELY rare a full color frame like this
eol.jsc.nasa.gov...
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToothe versions you present are very poor quality degraded copies of the originals. They lack the detail of the originals. The detail in the originals is clear to see.
originally posted by: tachyonator9
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToothe versions you present are very poor quality degraded copies of the originals. They lack the detail of the originals. The detail in the originals is clear to see.
It seems you really believe if you generate content, no matter how false and ricidulous, if you just generate sufficient AMOUNT of junk it will somehow prevail and lie will become truth.
So the extreme difference between how Moon really looks as shown in the videos and 100% gray washedout airbrushed look in near all frames you expectedly "explain" by "low quality copy" and for frames "different processing methods" and different cameras, as if that would even remotely account for the EXTREME difference we seen been them...
,,,getting WORSE with time as shown in 2008 KAGUYA footage (clearly a badly assambled CGI, they dont even try to look convincing anymore) where we see a full color full contrast (fake) Earth in the background (it should be exactly the other way around, Earth should be washed out) and Moon completely devoid of ANY color, ANY contrast, ANYthing but dead CGI shameless fakeness.
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Insisting something is fake because you don't like it doesn't make it fake
The differences in processing do make a difference. [..]Just because it looks 'grey and washed out' doesn't mean that all the detail you want to see isn't there.
Why would Earth, which is several times brighter than the moon and with a range of colours, look washed out?
Here's that Kaguya image with reduced levels:
Look through a telescope. Tell me what colour the moon is.
originally posted by: tachyonator9
originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Insisting something is fake because you don't like it doesn't make it fake
I fully agree, my claims don't make it fake, the fact that it IS fake makes it fake irrespective of my or anyone's claims.
The differences in processing do make a difference. [..]Just because it looks 'grey and washed out' doesn't mean that all the detail you want to see isn't there.
Sure it does and i agree certain level of detail 'hides' underneath that washed out greyness, but not all. And funny how most of them are "processed" in such a way to slowly establish the mental image of 100% grey washed out Moon in the minds of humanity, while their own videos and rare frames refute them mercilessly. Make up your mind what is the REAL color of the Moon, the washed out superlight gray or rich, nice contrast BROWN we see in the videos...
www.youtube.com...
Now i took two photos of my old encyclopedia from 1970 i think, i did not one bit alter the color of the photos camera is old and bad but color you see is as it is in the print. Needless to say, here is a rich brown Moon. "Processing" you say, funny.
Why would Earth, which is several times brighter than the moon and with a range of colours, look washed out?
Of course it SHOULD and it does in some Apollo frames, cause it's in direct sunlight 380,000km away, also take into account the atmospheric effects, Moon surface being closer to the camera should not be washed out as it is not in some frames. Kubric correctly depicted this in Space Oddisey,
Here's that Kaguya image with reduced levels:
Even with reduced levels there is still no color in it, it's fake.
Look through a telescope. Tell me what colour the moon is.
I'm glad you mentioned the scope, you should've already seen this cause it's in the playlist i been linking for days
but here it is separately, taken by JL Walson (UK) with an 9 inch scope on verge of refraction
VERY clearly showing a city on the near side and artificial structures of a gigantic size.
Forum does not allow time stamp link so go to 3:42
youtu.be...