Shamballa's Giants

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

"One's blue face and prominent canine teeth were worse than an evil god's.
The other's outstanding eyes were like death stars.
The red hair at their temples appeared to be in flames.
Their brown (body-) hair was sharp as needles
etc".
("Journey to the West" page 1277)

Seems both the ancient Hebrews, and the Chinese, didn't like our ancestors much, or us them, was probably a good thing, who is it that wants the NWO?

Around 6000 years ago Indo-Europeans spread out from North of the Black Sea into the Eurasian steppe.

The Eurasian steppe stretches from the Hungarian Pusta to eastern Mongolia and the plain along the Yalu River between China and Korea. Horses and riding were an absolutely necessary condition for living on the steppe.

The Yuezhi were the farthest Eastern expansion of the Indo-European folk, in the Tarim Basin and other Chinese province's.

Yuezhi/Tocharians

They were big, real big.

As he carefully raised the lid of a long, boat-shaped wooden coffin discovered at an ancient burial site in the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region, Liao Zhaoyu joked to his colleagues that they had discovered one of the fabled giants of Chinese legend

When the lid was finally opened and Liao caught his first glimpse of the body inside, he was astonished to see a golden-haired figure that was even taller than Yao Ming, the famous 2.26-meter-tall basketball player.

Even though the discovery happened more than five years ago, Liao, director of the institute of the Culture of the Western Region at Tarim University in Alar, couldn't hide his excitement when he recalled the moment he came face to face with the tallest man of a "tribe of giants".

"The skeleton of the tallest mummy discovered so far is about 2.3 meters, and the coffin is about 2.8 meters long, but medical experts say the man may have been even taller when he was alive. In addition to features similar to those of ancient Europeans, such as blond hair and high cheekbones, many of the mummies or skeletons have large frames, more than 2 meters tall," said the 40-year-old, who was one of the first experts to explore the site in 2003 at the request of local farmers

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This warrior from the mists of time was 7ft 6, many were over 2m tall, which is 6ft 7+.

As a comparison -

Rik Smits is one of the tallest NBA players in history with a height of 7 ft 4 in(2.24 m), and he hails from Eindhoven, Netherlands.

Not only were they giants, they were
witches and wizards, these were the Magi of old.

The Tarim mummies are a series of mummies discovered in the Tarim Basin in present-day Xinjiang, China, which date from 1800 BC to the first centuries BC,with a new group of individuals recently dated to between c. 2100 and 1700 BC. The mummies, particularly the early ones, are frequently associated with the presence of the Indo-European Tocharian languages in the Tarim Basin

Ancient Mummies of the Tarim Basin

We always worshipped the Sun God and Light, but even moreso, our Goddess Nanaya and the Moon.

   Nanaya, ornament of E-ana (Uruk‘s temple), worthy of the Lady!

         Wise one, correctly chosen as lady of all the lands by the Mistress:

         Nanaya, you instruct the Land, bestowing wisdom in E-ana…

It utilizes the worship of one Mesopotamian deity, the goddess Nanaya, as a prism through which these processes can be analyzed into their constituent facets. Nanaya was a goddess whose name was never lost on the pages of time. Her worship in the Hellenistic and Roman worlds guaranteed her mention by classical authors, while her veneration among the Parthians and Sassanians brought her to the attention of the Islamic writers. Even the biblical reader was aware of her existence, since the Second Book of Maccabees records that Antiochus IV Epiphanes was murdered by the priests of Nanaya in the goddess' temple, which he had come to despoil (2 Macc 1:13ff.). Nonetheless, the area of her deepest veneration was in central Asia. The various Iranian peoples – the Scythians, Bactrians, Sogdians, Chorasmians, Tokharians (Yuezhi) and in particular the confederation of the latter which established the Kushan (Kuṣāṇa) kingdom near Kabul and Peshawar, whose empire stretched to the Ganges in the first three centuries CE venerated Nana(ya) throughout the millennia

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Nanaya is the avatar of Inanna/Venus on Earth.

In Bactria she was known as Nana, Nanna Nepsdóttir in Norse, Anahita in Old Persian (Iranian) and appears in complete and earlier form as Aredvi Sura Anahita of "the Waters", in China she is Kuan Yin, in India Saraswati, in the Himalayas Avalokiteshvara, Green Tara, and her name in the pre Buddhist Bon religion of Tibet was Sherab Chamma, Great Wisdom Loving Mother.

"om ma wa ma de ma hi mo ha e ma ho ma ye ru pa ye ta dhu dhu so ha"



The rulers of Tibet were Indo-European, likely arriving with Tonpa Shenrab from eastern Bactria, teacher of the Swastika Dharma, and a place known as Shamballa.

In the heart of Shamballa lies Mt Meru, the central pillar, the World Tree. In the heavens the Northern Tree of Knowledge is Serpens Caput and Corona Borealis, growing from the Serpent Mound/Ophiuchus.

Tonpa Shenrab Miwoche is the most important Bon person, being one of the Four Sugatas or Transcendent Lords, the other 3 being Sangpo Bumtri, Satrig Ersang, and Shenlha Okar. Hinduism in Tibet began with the Bon religion preached by Tonpa Shenrab, born Mura Tahen. He is noted in Bon scriptures to have come from a western land called Olmo Lungring, in its royal Shenyi Podrang, and wandered into to Zhang Zhung. In Tibetan, Shenrab's country is also called sTag-gzig, Shangri-La, and Shambhala.

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The older legends of the Mountain/Tree lead back to Sumeria then likely to Anatolia, where it all began after the ice age. But the place of the myth from the Himalaya's, Olmolungring/Shamballa, is probably in Kashmir, which was once Eastern Bactria.

The origins of the gShen nationality is explained by the scripture rTsa rGyud nYi sGron. In its story of the dMu clan's origin, the tie between modernly-recognized Mount Nanga Parbat and the text's clMu-ri sMug-po (Brown Mountain of the dMu) is seen. Mt. Nanga Parbat is a brown-colored mountain in the centre of the modern Shenaki. The story goes that the gShen came out of an egg that originated on the mountain which is said to be the Brown Mountain of the dMu.[46] After 5 generations, Shenrab is born.

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Star and flag for a high calibre, well presented thread.

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Here's an interesting perspective as far as giants go, an important aspect of Zodiac Ages is that of Mithra and the eternal Covenant renewed at the onset of a Zodiacal age/Aeon, the cult of Mithra being very prominent around the time of the begining of the Age of Pisces, but who represented this figure?

Christianity would make the case that Jesus represented such a figure and certainly that was the intent of the Gospels using the archetypes of the underlying mythology, but the issue there is that a Zodiac age lasts 2,160 years and 2012 is a firm basis for fixing the end of that Age given the Sun at the inter-section of the ecliptic and Galactic planes at the Winter Solstice, thus the Age of Pisces began around 148 BC and Jesus was very late to that party, date wise a better case would be made for their version relating to the Teacher of Righteousness of the Dead Sea sect.

That sect was very much the opposition to any tradition of Giants and Watchers and their descendants the dark nemesis as it were, but representing the tradition in the positive sense at that time was Mithridates I King of Kings whose name literally means given by Mithra, this was his Parthian Empire.

Mithridates I



So we can see date wise that is being established at the onset of the Age of Pisces, 148BC he claimed the Alborz region of the Iranian World Centre.

It's also the case that throughout the Parthian Empire the basis for the Queen was Nanaya as the incarnation of Inanna.

In 141 BC, Mithridates I captured Babylonia in Mesopotamia, where he had coins minted at Seleucia and held an official investiture ceremony.There Mithridates I appears to have introduced a parade of the New Year festival in Babylon, by which a statue of the ancient Mesopotamian god Marduk was led along parade way from the Esagila temple by holding the hands of the goddess Ishtar

The Dynasty of Mithridates took great pride in their relationship to the Gods, for example King Mithridates or Antiochus I of Commagene shaking hands with Heracles,

The Greek word hierothesion (ἱεροθέσιον) is term for the holy burial areas of those belonging to the royal house, and is only known from Commagene. Apart from the Hierothesion which Antiochos himself built on Nemrut Dağı, and the second one on Karakuş which his son Mithridates II built for the female members of the royal house, a third is to be found in Arsameia, the burial site and the associated cultic area for Antiochus' father Mithridates

And the site of Nemrut Dag,

Crowning one of the highest peaks of the Eastern Taurus mountain range in south-east Turkey, Nemrut Dağ is the Hierotheseion (temple-tomb and house of the gods) built by the late Hellenistic King Antiochos I of Commagene (69-34 B.C.) as a monument to himself.

The tomb or the Hierotheseion of Nemrut Dağ bears unique testimony to the civilization of the kingdom of Commagene. Antiochos I is represented in this monument as a descendant of Darius by his father Mithridates, and a descendant of Alexander by his mother Laodice. This semi-legendary ancestry translates in genealogical terms the ambition of a dynasty that sought to remain independent of the powers of both the East and the West.

King Antiochus I Theos of Commagene built on the mountain top a tomb-sanctuary flanked by huge statues 8–9-metre high (26–30 ft) of himself, two lions, two eagles and various Greek and Iranian gods, such as Heracles-Artagnes-Ares, Zeus-Oromasdes, and Apollo-Mithras-Helios-Hermes.

A very different perspective really to the Biblical.

Thats what happens if you tell your kids"when your big you're going to work"...

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Way cool mountain! Could well be the original.

Nemrut means Nimrod in English. Was the mound the Tower of Babel, and what's with all that lightening? An attempt to connect Heaven and Earth.

Looks like King Antiochus thought so.

Researchers did, however, find a shaft that King Antiochus had built into the mountain, which according to experts, displays exceptional knowledge of advanced astronomy.

The shaft runs into the mountainside at an angle of 35 degrees to the horizontal, and it is believed to be about 150 meters long. Curiously, there’s nothing at the bottom.

Computer analysis has revealed that on two days of the year, the sun’s rays would illuminate the bottom of the shaft; once when in line with the constellation of Leo and once when in line with Orion.

This is a particularly exciting area in the night sky since it happens to be the path where the sun crosses over the Milky Way galaxy.

Curiously, this to the ancient world was known as the Gate of Heaven.

Even more interesting is the fact that there were Gates to Heaven; one where they cross in the north and the other where they cross in the south.

So we are talking stargates for the soul 🌟

Or, admittedly far less likely, a physical portal to Vangr... ride the lightening? haha, the rainbow bridge or body.

Greek astrologers spoke of two gates in the heavens: the Silver Gate and the Golden Gate, which were called the Gate of Man and the Gate of God in Vedic astrology. Many ancient cultures believed that between incarnations on this planet, souls dwelled in the Milky Way.
The Greek writer Macrobius, among others, said that during a solstice (the alignment of the Sun with the ecliptic), the corresponding gate opens. Souls could incarnate on Earth by descending through the Silver Gate, or could ascend to the heavens through the Golden Gate

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Maybe a way for the daimon/higher self to incarnate, dvija, (Sanskrit: “twice-born”), to wake up lucid in the dream of life.

Specially designated days are the birthday of "the king's body" and his coronation. Antiochus dedicated these two days, to the revelations of demons (daimones), which led him during the successful reign over the kingdom

What supernatural beings did Antioch refer to? They were presented in the form of monumental statues on Mount Nemrut. Looking at the group of seated figures from left to right, these were: Antiochus himself, the goddess of Commagene, Zeus-Orosmasdes-Ahura Mazda, Apollo-Mithras-Helios-Hermes, and Artagnes-Bahram-Heracles-Ares. The complex nomenclature of these deities results from the syncretic character of the religion promoted by Antiochus, which combined the elements of Zoroastrianism and the classical Greek pantheon.

The Tree or Mountain and the ascent to heaven is the realm of the Goddess, her mystery and wonder.

Ascending to Heaven through Seven Gates

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That's correct the Taurus Mountains very much connected to the Silver Mountain and the Hurrian Song of Silver and his fall to the Cilician gates, this was also of course the centre of later Mithraism.

Taurus Mining Region.

It can be seen on seals from Kultepe relating to the silver mining trade the representation of the Taurus (mountains) with a little Mount above the bulls body, were the Pleiades are located, so there was the tradition of the Mountain connecting to the Pleiades and that would connect to Inanna and the seven Divine powers related to such.



It can sometimes also be seen Scorpio beneath Taurus as in opposition related to the Golden gate, that would be the same Scorpion Gate as in Gilgimish.



The Scorpio gate is towards the Galactic centre and the Taurus gate the anti-centre for those wishing to leave the Galaxy i suppose, or maybe for those arriving from outside, the Milky Way is of course the Galactic plane, 6,500 years ago or thereabouts, three zodiac ages, the Taurus gate was at the Spring equinox, 13,000 the Winter solstice.

But the main thing i like about the Nemrut Dag monument is the friendly relationship with the Gods of the Lion horoscope, shaking their hands, and the connection of the Lion to Kingship, and the Parthian Goddess getting to ride on the Lion



Nana in Central Asia

Goddess Nana

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'Reverence be to the radiant glorious star from good and happy dwellings as it rises - mild violet lustre, beautiful, helpful, health giving, joy bestowing, exalted …..’
- Hymn to Tishtrya in the Avesta.

The Luwians were an Indo-European people living in Anatolia during the bronze and iron ages.

Tiwaz (Stem: Tiwad-) was the Luwian Sun-god. He was among the most important gods of the Luwians.

The name of the Proto-Anatolian Sun god can be reconstructed as *Diuod-, which derives from the Proto-Indo-European word *dei- ("shine", "glow").This name is cognate with the Greek Zeus, Latin Jupiter, and Norse Tyr. While Tiwaz (and the related Palaic god Tiyaz) retained a promenant role in the pantheon, the Hittite cognate deity, Šiwat 

In Luwian cuneiform of the Bronze Age, his name appears as Tiwad-. It can also be written with the Sumerogram dUTU ("God-Sun"). In Hieroglyphic Luwian of the Iron Age, the name can be written as Tiwad- of with the ideogram (DEUS) SOL ("God-Sun)

Sandan was the Anatolian sun lion god that Heracles sprang from, the Island of Sardinia was named for him. He was the chief god in the Cilician pantheon from at least the beginning of the second millennium BC. The Armenian word Sardi corresponds in meaning to the Greek name for the laurel, which is sacred to Apollo, who is in fact the same.


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Well jumping into a volcano is definitely psycho...

This connection between the leontocephaline and the zodiac can be clarified by noticing that in Origen's Contra Celsum, Celsus describes a Mithraic symbol consisting of a ladder with seven gates, each associated with one of the seven planets, while at the top there is an eighth gate associated with the sphere of the fixed stars and leading to the region beyond that sphere. The leontocephaline, as is well-known, almost always holds a key (according to Maarten Vermaseren he does so in the Barberini painting, although it is difficult to see, and this key is reasonably identified as the key to the celestial gates described by Celsus. However, since the leontocephaline is never linked in Mithraic iconography with any of the planets, but is clearly associated with the zodiac, it seems likely that he has a special connection with Celsus' eighth gate-- that of the sphere of the fixed stars and the realm beyond it-- since it is on that sphere that the zodiac lies.

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Beyond is the aethric fire, and the Sun Lion guards the boundary, between inside and out.

🌝🌹🌞

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The Lion Kings could be seen offering their tails to the Sun Goddess of Arinna, which is an aterism of Leo, so that's always been a part of the lore.





She also connects to Allani/the Lady of the inner Earth that represented both the inner Sun and literal Gold of the Taurus Mountains and also in the spiritual sense, she is seen sometimes in a little chamber beneath the Taurus motif.



The Silver related to the Moon was represented also by Ishara, again an inner Earth Goddess of the Taurus Mountains and the spiritual quality of critical thinking and a cult of purity.



They've very little compared to the other figures so the underworld was the land of the little, small being precious. It's notable that the primary Deity of Cilicia Sandan was associated with the pyre and the furnace as a God of mining, smelting, forging and crafting, also a cult of the Phoenix in terms of transformation through fire, much of the religion could be related to metallurgy and the doctrine of Planets being related to metals and minerals likely originated in that region.

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Bifrost (pronounced roughly “BIF-roast;” Old Norse Bifröst) is the rainbow bridge that connects Asgard, the world of the Aesir tribe of gods, with Midgard, the world of humanity. Bifrost is guarded by the ever-vigilant god Heimdall.

There is seven gates, seven planets, seven chakras with associated 7 prismatic colours, and also the ridiculous Christian version of seven sins. Morals are necessary but the idea you can just say sorry to Jesus, be forgiven for even the worst transgressions, then go to heaven is beyond simplistic.

The rainbow bridge seems to be a syncretic version of the ascent. I think it's interesting the path first goes down into the roots, to Vanaheim, before it goes up to Asgard, reminds me of Gilgamesh seeking the plant of immortality in the underworld.

The rainbow in general is representative of the clear light of awareness, void united with pure light, the matrix of all form. The sacred marriage of Shiva and Shakti, divine sun and moon, and Inanna/Venus as inner sun, both guardian and catalyst of such union.

She gathered together the seven Holy Measures

She took them into her hands

With the Holy Measures in her possession

She prepared herself

She placed the crown on her head

She arranged the dark locks of (brown) hair across her forehead

She tied beads around her neck

Let the double strand of beads fall to her breast

And wrapped the royal robe round her body

She daubed her eyes with ointment called ‘let him come, let him come!’

Bound the breastplate called ‘come, man,come!’ around her chest

Slipped the gold ring over her wrist

And took the lapis measuring rod and line in her hand.

Inanna was known to fly "across the sky like a rainbow". Her necklace is said to be associated with the rainbow and was a covenant of remembrance after the flood, similar to the rainbow in the Noah story, which was a later version.

As soon as Bēlet-Ilī arrived, she lifted aloft the great flies that Anu had made when he wooed (her): "O gods, let these be lapis lazuli (beads) around my neck so that I remember these days and never forget them!"

Couldn't really work out the link between flies and rainbows until I saw this.



In the Tibetan Bon religion, and the closely associated Dzogchen, the rainbow body is said to be the ultimate spiritual goal, the great perfection, dissolution of the physical elements and their transformation into pure light.

Those
having superior faculties are liberated as a great transference embodiment, extending infinitely into the all-pervasive dharmakaya, like water merging with water, or space merging with space. Those having medium faculties attain buddhahood as a great rainbow body, like a rainbow vanishing into the sky. When the ground clear light arises, for those having inferior faculties the colors of the rainbow spread forth from the absolute nature, and their material bodies decrease in size until finally they vanish as rainbow bodies, leaving not even a trace of their aggregates behind. That is called the small rainbow body. When the ground clear light arises, the material bodies of some people decrease in size for up to seven days, then finally only the residue of their hair and nails is left behind. The dissolution of the body into minute particles is called the small transference. For those of superior faculties this dissolution of the body into minute particles may occur even during the Breakthrough.

Thodgal (Leap-Over)

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Generally i would take the seven gates as in the Etana myth as relating to the planets and Sun and Moon, so passing through the Solar system, that may be in terms of the arc of the ecliptic plane which could be taken as an arched bridge.

Also in the Etana myth this seems to end up in the Heaven of Inanna's court to which the Eagle ascends, if that can be taken as the Pleiades then we see on the Bull seals that a bird can sometimes be seen in connection with the little Mount above Taurus.







It can be Mountain and bird or just bird, so i think that is the destination of An-zu. Also seen in connection with Taurus is Inanna and the Winged gate which i would take as the ascension through Gemini towards the ecliptic/Galactic plane inter-section point, in fact that may be what Inanna is holding the two arcs inter-secting, perhaps in the form of a pair of Lions tails she's aquired, and the rainbow is also connected to the winged gate, which is the exit direction of the Galaxy.







So holding both the arc plane of the Solar system and the Galaxy while representing the inter-section point is quite an impressive way for Inanna to show off.

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Bereft of their strength and fortune, the Devas sought Amrit, the elixir of immortality from the depths of the primordial ocean. The Devas had to join forces with their mortal enemies, the Asuras (Demons) to churn the cosmic ocean and bring the Amrit to the surface – who agreed to do so in return for half of the reward.

So this is going to get decidedly salty, but I guess you get that in the south. The churning of the ocean of milk, using Mt Mandara as a churning rod and a snake as the rope, was a epic collaboration between asuras and devas that went bad. Likely it was the asuras fault as they were notorious drunks.

Samudra Manthana

According to the story, the asura were dispossessed of their state in Trāyastriṃśa because they became drunk and were thrown down Mount Sumeru. After this incident, they vowed never to drink sura again. In some Buddhist literature, they are sometimes referred to as pūrvadeva (Pāli: pubbadeva), meaning "ancient gods."

The Titans sleep, for now, in a cave under the Earth.

In Hurrian context Ishara was closely connected to the underworld goddess Allani, and herself acquired a cthonic character (including a connection to the so-called "former gods," believed to be an ancestral generation of deities residing in "Dark Earth," the underworld)

These were the primordial creator gods, while certainly Lovecraftian in nature, they did still have their good side.

When the heavens above did not exist,
And earth beneath had not come into being —
There was Apsû, the first in order, their begetter,
And demiurge Tia-mat, who gave birth to them all;
They had mingled their waters together
Before meadow-land had coalesced and reed-bed was to he found —
When not one of the gods had been formed
Or had come into being, when no destinies had been decreed,
The gods were created within them:
Lah(mu and Lah(amu were formed and came into being.
While they grew and increased in stature
Anšar and Kišar, who excelled them, were created.

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Mummu was another old god, described as active life force and knowledge, the vizier of the primeval gods Apsû, the fresh water, and Tiamat, the salt water.

Lahmu the legendary ancestor was sort of similar, a bull god, protector of the gate to the abzu.



The Sumerian human creation story is a fractal of the greater.

The great gods who were present,
And the Anunna-gods, ordainers of destines,
Both replied to Enlil,
‘In Uzumua, the linking place of heaven with earth,
‘Let us slaughter Alla-gods,
‘Let us create humankind from their blood.

Alla Xul = Evil God

Humans were created from the blood of evil god's, bioengineered? Guess they had to be useful for something... maybe why many still follow that nature, and most of the rest still have to struggle against it, yet we also have such great potential to create the positive. But the sons of God found the daughters of man to be fair, and to be fair vice versa it seems, some of us have the blood of the good Gods as well...

According to the story, Gilgamesh was part god and part man. His mother was Ninsun, a goddess, and his father, Lugalbanda, was the half-god king of Uruk. ... The gods of Ancient Babylon listened and they created Enkidu, a wild beast-like man, to become Gilgamesh's companion and guide.

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The connection is made between the Milky way and Tiamat and the old Gods, Ishara connected to the old Gods in the sense that she was represented by Scorpio/Antares, perhaps the planets of the ecliptic plane could be considered the younger Gods.



Aquila is in the Milky way but if it is going to pass through planetary gates on the way to Taurus it would have to connect with the Ecliptic plane at Antares and then arc over to the other side, it would be easier if the Bull was right next to Aquila though as seen here, but that's Taurus Poniatovii and the idea didn't catch on.



The Ishtar gate also connected to the Milky way then would provide a route into the realm of the dark Gods, there are many strange ways of looking at this, i also noticed some little UFO's passing through that gate on this seal!



Can also be called the Tannhauser Gate.

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Fascinating info, cool you found ufo's, reminding me of the movie Promethius, but better because its not Hollyweird. So as well as the spiritual dimensions these are symbolically coded star maps with directions, hyperspace portals, the Etna myth likely pointing towards the Annuna homeworld.

The Ojibwe people of North America believe they came from Bagone-giizhig "Hole in the Sky". They traveled in a space ship that lead the way to Earth on a Spiders web beam of light through the portal known as the 7 sisters star system.

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So all we need now is the anzu bird, might have a word with him about that missing tablet...

Amongst all the traditions, the Vedic texts have the most reliable and convincing written descriptions of flying craft.

Vimāna are mythological flying palaces or chariots described in Hindu texts and Sanskrit epics. The "Pushpaka Vimana" of Ravana (who took it from Kubera; Rama returned it to Kubera) is the most quoted example of a vimana. Vimanas are also mentioned in Jain texts.

The Sanskrit word vimāna (विमान) literally means "measuring out, traversing" or "having been measured out". Monier Monier-Williams defines vimāna as "a car or a chariot of the gods, any self-moving aerial car sometimes serving as a seat or throne, sometimes self-moving and carrying its occupant through the air; other descriptions make the Vimana more like a house or palace, and one kind is said to be seven stories high"

"The Pushpaka Vimana that resembles the Sun and belongs to my brother was brought by the powerful Ravana; that aerial and excellent Vimana going everywhere at will ... that chariot resembling a bright cloud in the sky ... and the King [Rama] got in, and the excellent chariot at the command of the Raghira, rose up into the higher atmosphere.'"

Heard some rumours about a ufo in Padmanabhaswamy Temple, along with a trillion dollars in gold and gemstones, there is the mysterious unopened door of vault B. It's the richest temple on Earth.

Trillion bucks

The temple is built in the unique Chera style of architecture, and its main deity is Lord Vishnu who is found in the Anantha Shayana posture (reclined posture of eternal yoga) on Adishesha or king of all serpents.

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We have the Garuda linked with the serpent here again. There is a claim it's been opened before, but seems spurious, the last lot of guys that tried got chased off by cobras apparently.

Chamber B has long been considered by Astrologers of India, as highly mysterious, sacred and too dangerous to unveil it. The enormous steel door of Chamber B has two massive cobras painted on it and has no bolts, latches or any other means of entry. This is mystery straight out of an Indiana Jones movie.

A door of such a secret vault is known to be opened only by a high level ‘SADHUS’ familiar with the knowledge of chanting a ‘GARUDA MANTRA.’ The door cannot be opened by any means by anyone, and at present, there is nobody in the world who possesses the highly sacred and powerful ‘SIDDHAPURSHAS’ and how to execute the highly sacred ‘GARUDA MANTRA.’

If any human attempts are made with man-made technology to open the mysterious inner chamber beyond Chamber B, other than by chanting highly sacred and powerful ‘GARUDA MANTRAS,’ it is told that disasters are likely to occur in and around the Temple and throughout India and quite possibly the world.

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I wonder how much of that might relate to an aspect of Saturn as the son of the Sun,

A possible mythological dimension to Saturn’s role as a “counter-sun” is furnished by the Greek myth of Phaethon, the son of Helios, who nearly destroyed the world with fire when he caused the solar chariot to crash down from the sky into the river Eridanus. Various passages indicate that Phaethon – or his soul – was eventually placed in the sky as a planet or asterism, but the sources disagree on the identity of Phaethon’s “star”. Hyginus credited Eratosthenes with the identification of Phaethon as the planet Saturn: The second star is that of Sol; others say of Saturn. Eratosthenes claims that it is called Phaethon, from the son of Sol. Many have written about him how he foolishly drove his father’s chariot and set fire to the earth. Because of this he was struck with a thunderbolt by Jove, and fell into the river Eridanus, and was conveyed by Sol to the constellations.

Saturn as the Sun

It's the season for such so this aspect of Saturn ruled by night in the absence of the Northern Sun, as related to Mithra that may have an extended meaning in terms of a guardian of the ages in the absence of the original light, a torch-bearer

“… for they [the inhabitants of the southern part of Greater Asia, from India to Mesopotamia; MAS] revere the star of Venus under the name of Isis, and that of Saturn as Mithras Helios.”

Hyginus, Poetical Astronomy 2.42.2, tr. Grant 1960: 228: “The second star is that of Sol; others say of Saturn. Eratosthenes claims that it is called Phaethon, from the son of Sol.”

Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.22.8, tr. Davies 1969: 148: “And Saturn himself, the author of times and seasons (and therefore, by the change of a letter, called Κρόνος by the Greeks as though for χρόνος, time), must assuredly be understood to be the sun …”

be thou Cronos, or Phaëthon of many names, or Mithras the Sun of Babylon, in Hellas Delphic Apollo; be thou Gamos …, … painquelling Paieon, or patterned Heaven; be thou called the Starclad …”

This aspect of Chronos confused many but the origins were Mesopotamian in terms of Sig-sig and Isum and Hendursanga , these are the watchmen of the night, the light in the darkness, herald of the (silent) night

What Ninlil did, having given birth to Išum, was to set him alight. The two lines are to be translated, “Ninlil bore
Išum for Šamaš, then set (him alight) and left him in the street.”

In the earlier Sumerian Sig-sig he was more a phantom of the night and a God of dreams perhaps the Babylonians gave him some civic duties as a lamp post, the Phaethon myth might suggest he wasn't a very good replacement for the Sun and the guardians of the eternal flame became something of a liability more likely to burn the town down Mithraism being assimilated and subverted into Christianity.

Utu, the great lord of Arali, After he turns the dark place into light he will judge your case. Let the child of the sun-god Utu, *light up for him the netherworld, the place of darkness!

I was amazed when I was traveling the Greek islands over 25yrs ago.
We wondered through an old museum and saw shields and swords over 7ft tall made of brass/bronze.
There was no way a normal man could carry and fight with them.

a reply to: UKWO1Phot

These are common and not as heavy as you may think.

www.salimbeti.com...

One of the warriors is completely protected by a tower shield with several embossed dots on the external surface. These could be interpreted as the decorative elements of a thin bronze plate placed as additional reinforcement,(3*) or the studs used to joint together the several layers of hide.

Romans and later Europeans used huge shields that were actually placed on the ground as movable cover called a great scuta or Pavis respectively.

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Reminded me of Scottish claymores, averaged 4'7" and 5.5 pounds, but would regularly reach about 5′9″ in length. In Scotland there is a historical claymore that is 7′ long with a weight of 23 pounds. Below is William Wallace's.



The ancient Tocharian giants often had red hair. Red hair is a reccesive gene, which means both parents have to carry it and even then only 1 in 4 will have it. Mostly found in northern and north-western Europe, with Edinburgh Scotland being the redhead capital of the world. If you look at the distribution it pretty much matches where the Indo-Europeans went.

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Checked if Scott's used to be big and sure enough.

Scots were once the tallest of all European peoples with Highland men pushing up the average to between 6ft and 7ft.  

At the end of the 18th century a survey of 600 crofters from Glen Tilt in Perthshire discovered every adult male in the glen was at least 6 feet tall – and broad with calves at least 17 inches around. The population of Glen Tilt were also long-lived, thriving on the traditional Scottish diet of oats, barley, vegetables, milk, butter, eggs, local grown fruit and honey supplemented with small amounts of meat, venison and fish.

a reply to: Madrusa

Saturn once being a literal sun, or being made into one, is often mentioned in modern pseudo-scientifc conspiracy myths.

The Project Lucifer meme was loosely based on Authur C. Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two and likely aimed at appeasing YouTube viewers more than the gods.

NASA is working with secret organizations (such as the Illuminati or the Freemasons) to fulfil their dreams of “playing God” and creating a second Sun in the Solar System. This plan has many aims, but primarily they want to use the Cassini probe to trigger a catastrophic chain reaction inside Saturn so nuclear fusion is possible, generating a mini-Sun. This has been tried before, when the Galileo probe was dropped into the atmosphere of Jupiter in 2003 (but it obviously failed at first attempt). Cassini is carrying about 33 kg of plutonium, making it the ultimate cruise missile aimed at Saturn, atmospheric pressures eventually kick-starting a nuclear explosion in two years time

Speaking of sciencism creation myths, mainstream this time, thought this was interesting in relation to Saturns hook, and it's undercover role as the sun, they could be right about this one.

Back then Jupiter would have still been embedded in a gas-rich disk. Much of that gas was spiraling down toward the sun—so much that the action would have sapped some of Jupiter’s angular momentum, too, causing the giant planet itself to spiral in to the vicinity of where Mars is today. Jupiter would have kept falling in toward the sun if not for being caught by the subsequent formation of Saturn, which began drifting in as well. As the two giant planets came closer together, they were caught  in an orbital resonance. This resonance expelled all the gas between them, gradually reversing their death spirals and causing them to “tack” back out to the outer solar system.

www.scientificamerican.com...

Well "more likely to burn the town down" brings to mind the Sabbatean Frankists, their first fake Messiah Sabbatai Zevi, and the negative manifestation of Saturn which is so problematic at the moment.



Sabbatai translates as Saturn, the very place in which the God of the Rabbis resides, when he's not haunting Mercury. Furthermore Saturn is associated with Sabbatean gay and twisted messianic beliefs, and is represented in Cabbalah as binah, the third sephiroth.



Saturn and Sabbatai Zevi (pdf)

We have quite a few threads here on ats about Saturn being linked to a stargate via popular culture and mass media. I would suggest the symbolism is being used by those that run the media, mostly Jews, to represent a portal into clown world via the Brown gate, a sort of cosmic back door.

Only remedy for that is the white pill I guess...

a reply to: primalfractal

There was a documentary released yesterday entitled Saturn, Santa and the Sabbath timed to coincide with the Solstice and season of Saturnalia, it's well made and the first half has a paranoid take on the Saturnalia and the second a look at the Bolsheviks overthrowing all natural order and drawing comparision between the two, well worth a watch.

However at no point in the video is there consideration that there might be a positive aspect to Saturnine subversion and the over-throwing of the conventional norm, and that precludes any possibility of positive change, because if Saturn in the positive sense subverts order which is evil and oppressive and downright stupid or anachronistic that makes possible change for the better, it is the same in nature constant change through death and pro-creation creating the potential for evolutionary development.

The negative aspect of Saturn will only create change for the worst, it will subvert what is perfectly good and replace it with what is utterly evil, whether at the level of the individual, or society and Nation, the progressivism of the Bolshevik is such an example, of course it is good to subvert Marxist and Bolshevik ideology even though they are made a protected species as it were supposedly beyond critique, the entire shut it down mentallity to save them from the Saturnine treatment themselves, they would prefer a monopoly on Saturnine alignment and are happy enough to promote the scare-crow version beloved of youtube.

If people could learn to differentiate and reject the religion that has produced Clown World then positive change would be possible, that has to be the relationship of Saturn to the Zodiac ages, time, change and genuine progress.

One might wonder whether Solomon is in the sense of the Sun or the Son of the Sun as in the light of Saturn, the same with the Sig rune and the Sumerian God Sig-Sig, who was certainly the son of Utu and related to Saturn and the dark order of the SS, his sister Mamu being the Goddess of dreams, dumu-sal Babbar-ge, "daughter of Shamash."

"Reveal thyself unto me and let me see a favorable dream. May the dream that I dream be favorable, may the dream that I dream be true, may Mamu, the goddess of dreams stand at my head; let me enter E-Sagila, the temple of the gods, the house of life."

originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: UKWO1Phot

Reminded me of Scottish claymores, averaged 4'7" and 5.5 pounds, but would regularly reach about 5′9″ in length. In Scotland there is a historical claymore that is 7′ long with a weight of 23 pounds. Below is William Wallace's.

They're similar to the swords carried by the Landsknechts or the longest of the swords favored by the samaurai.

HOWEVER... the actual Wallace sword has a blade length of only 4 feet and blade-tip to hilt is 5'4".

Not even close to 7'.

The claim that Scots were the tallest people is countered by published reports, such as the historical books written by officers of the Black Watch. In a history of the 1st Batallion Black Watch from 1914, the published figures for the average height of the Officers was 5 ft 9 1/2 inches and of the rank and file 5 ft 7 1/8th inches.

So... tall by the standards of that day but hardly giants.