If AGW caused tornados, then is cold weather proof AGW is over?

In the early days of this discussion, when we would bring up cold winters in the south, we were told how that had nothing to do with global warming, that was weather, this is climate. It was said so often, we all learned it. So what happened? Now weather is climate when it suits the suits? Seriously, how does this work? It's cold this morning in NC, so no more global warming? No, silly, that's not how it works.

We do have severe weather outbreaks at times, and we have had them as long as we have been around. Even before Algore's invention. So will those who are so quick to point out how weather isn't climate step up and explain it to these folks as well? or is it different when it's in reverse?

a reply to: network dude

Global warming is certainly over. They've been calling it "Climate Change" for a while now for this very reason.

Now if anything happens either way except the climate staying exactly as it is (which doesn't happen), they can claim that they need more money or common folk need less resources to combat it.

Weather is cold today as u said, its what you feel everyday, climate is statistics over the time. Stop pretending you don't know that

a reply to: network dude

Actually it's kinda funny the farmers almanac pointed out the weather almost perfectly using past projections and solar activity.

So my biggest guess is that these weather's are because if the sun and other solar activity as we go through a meteor field.

The earth has natural cycles of heating and cooling it's how we get our seasons. However one thing is for certain is that calendars do not keep up with it's natural adjustments. Confusing the dumb minded who believe that it needs to be 97 on June 20th or it's global cooling. Or -30 December 12th otherwise it's global warming.

This shift in weather itself is because we were/are leaving an ice age cycle(agreed to by ever scientist pre2016 when they started getting paid massive money by politicians who experiment with weather control(check ur patents). So global warming has been a thing for thousands of years ever since the last ice age.

Ice ages have repeated, continent shift and change locations. Throw in the fact the moon has been drifting away from earth for decades and you got the perfect excuse for "climate change" agendas. Add that to the fact our record of earth tempatures is only that of a human lifespan.. not an earth cycle and it just proves my point

And an earth cycle isn't just a rotation around the sun. We drift through space, some electric charged space easily changes the tempatures. There is a lot more variables I rather not get involved with as it would take greater then 100+hrs to prove it all.

a reply to: network dude

Earth’s temperature has risen by 0.14° F (0.08° C) per decade since 1880, and the rate of warming over the past 40 years is more than twice that: 0.32° F (0.18° C) per decade since 1981.

2020 was the second-warmest year on record based on NOAA’s temperature data, and land areas were record warm.

Averaged across land and ocean, the 2020 surface temperature was 1.76° F (0.98° Celsius) warmer than the twentieth-century average of 57.0°F (13.9°C) and 2.14 ̊F (1.19 ̊C) warmer than the pre-industrial period (1880-1900).

Despite a late-year La Niña event that cooled a wide swath of the tropical Pacific Ocean, 2020 came just 0.04 ̊ Fahrenheit (0.02 ̊Celsius) shy of tying 2016 for warmest year on record.

The 10 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005.

From 1900 to 1980 a new temperature record was set on average every 13.5 years; from 1981–2019, a new record was set every 3 years.

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When one time US president democrat hopeful can tell the people of the state he governs that New York Didn’t Have Hurricanes or Tornadoes Before Global Warming than it becomes clear that evidence of global warming is anything its proponents wants it to be.

a reply to: dandandat2

I call B's on that title(which many will read and not click), they have had hurricanes, blizzards and more over my life time and I am in my 30s, monsoon season is REAL. The only difference is *normally"(they have before) they didn't reach land. Because pre-continental shift, which if you paid attention..(earthquake in chili moved the continents 10 miles from their previous locations; and every year they drift more.. almost a 10 football fields ). Explains why the hurricanes actually reached land. Especially when you follow air currents, and storm patterns.

a reply to: network dude

I'll have to try and find it, but they said that global warming/ climate change could lead to another ice age due to the glaziers melting and affecting the gulf stream by lowering the temperature of the warm water which in turn would cool the continents.

But then some started saying it won't.

To me the idea, is to put it both out there so they can cover their asses which ever way the natural earths cycle goes and still make bucks off of it.

a reply to: TomCollin

That's 100% normal, we came out of one. We will peak in heat and then go back into one. Last time the ice age was caused by blocking out the sun's via volcanic activity.

The heat activity from volcanos was hot enough to show scars on the earth all over the world.
You can't seriously tell me you don't remember earth science 101.. in which all scientist agreed before politicians realized they can cash in on natural disasters. Just like everything else.

originally posted by: xandback
Weather is cold today as u said, its what you feel everyday, climate is statistics over the time. Stop pretending you don't know that

Hey, want to hear something REALLY funny?

Explain Jupiter's global warming when nothing lives there.

Linky-dinky from NASA themselves, they explain this thing called Space Weather. Oops, not just an Earth thing. This likely has much less to do with us than hardliners want to admit, it'll poke too many holes in demands.

originally posted by: xandback
Weather is cold today as u said, its what you feel everyday, climate is statistics over the time. Stop pretending you don't know that

I even said that in the OP, did you read it?

My question is how can we use weather to validate AGW, when it's all about climate, as you said? Any thoughts?

a reply to: network dude

We traditionally have two seasons now: global warming and winter. I thought you knew that. This year global warming crept into what we traditionally think of as winter, so they are especially hysterical. However, this type thing has happened in the past. You have to go back to the '50s and the late 1800s/early 1900s, but it has happened. So it's not like it has never, ever happened before.

You could say storm of the century for it and not be inaccurate.

But since we need to push the Green Nude Eel, it's global warming.

Another thing to consider is that tornados form best with a strong temperature gradient from warm/moist to cold. 2019 was a high tornado year. You can see from the chart here why. Most of the northern and central plains were stuck in a cooler than normal pattern setting up that really strong temperature gradient between that colder air and the warm/moist Gulf air. The result was lots of tornados where those two air masses met and the sheer created large, rotating storms.

In climate that is overall uniformly warmer, you are going to have less of that kind of temperature gradient. That means less tornados and less violent ones at that. You can also see that kind of trend going on in the second graph in the link. The numbers of tornados have actually been dropping over time across decades.

So what we had was an unusually late in the year severe weather setup with a strong temperature gradient. It *has* happened before; it's just not a usual thing.

The ideological totalitarian far left lunatics NOT ONLY BELIEVE that they can hold the planets climate stable over Mother Nature and solar cycles for the first time in earths history

But they’re also actively attending to make the planet sterol of all germs, bugs viruses by keeping everybody in house arrest and forcing vaccines on the global population

That’s actually a ideological superiority complex far exceeding that of the fascist and communists of the past IMO

a reply to: network dude

They changed the term to climate change a long time ago.
That way everything fits the criteria

Global warming doesn't cause weather. It simply adds energy to the atmosphere. As such, these tornadoes would have happened without a warming planet. The only real question for meteorologists concerning these tornadoes is did that extra energy in the atmosphere make them more intense?

The science is pretty clear that SHOULD be the case but without data to back it up it is simply conjecture.

If not, that is actually pretty worrying as it would demonstrate that storms should be much more intense in future.

a reply to: Flavian

Again, not necessarily. If we want to talk about energy manifesting, then you still have to have the right conditions. You need to address above how an overall warmer climate actually shifts away from the conditions that favor tornado formation.

It doesn't matter how much energy you have if it doesn't have the proper conditions to manifest itself as a tornado to begin with.

AGW is a bunch of folks who went to Rush n Brush school .
(Meaning : when they heard the school bus coming , they rushed and hid in the brush)

All right, let me put this another way:

We can say the climate is warming. We can dispute why it's warming. A lot of us think this is a natural thing, not exclusively man made.

However, this idea that it automatically means that this will equal everything like it was, just hyped on atmospheric steroids is wrong.

What will happen is that climate zones and temperature gradient zones will shift. The conditions that come together now and favor tornado formation are a product of air masses and the geography. If the temperature gradient over the favorable geography stabilizes to where the warm and cold air masses are no longer colliding as dramatically as often, then you will not have so many tornadoes. Gulf moisture can only shift so far north and it's a big component.

This is like saying that if the overall climate cools by just a degree, we lose the corn crop because corn only grows well in a narrow area where the conditions right now favor it. Shift the temperature just a bit, and you lose that narrow area because a key factor in your prevailing conditions is gone even if all else you need remains.

Cold weather is bad. Warm weather is bad. No hurricanes is bad. Many hurricanes is bad. They've purposefully set it up so literally every weather event is bad due to climate change. And if you dare point out the obvious scam in it you're a "science denier" and want to destroy planet earth. It's 3rd grade level tactics. Which is why it works on Liberals.

a reply to: jjkenobi

I am convinced that most people who believe this the most fervently, including those who think we humans can control it like we can a thermostat, spend most of their time in climate controlled environments.