Plight of Child Leading to Calls For The Reinstatement of Capital Punishment in the UK

a reply to: EvilAxis

There are few things more humorous to me than the folks in parliament investigating themselves and declaring that they are 100% on the up and up.

I have no idea what the UK is like day to day. Its overblown in the US, with the victimization being against all of us and not just 1 racial group.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
The problem with re-implementing the death penalty is deciding who deserves to die. Eventually every first degree murder, every sex offender and every human trafficking conviction will result in execution because that's what the public demands. This exemption may well become a standard for every inmate who is sentenced to lifetime incarceration, and many will argue that's how true justice should have operated for decades past.

Not to be that guy but it's hard to talk about the sanctity of life when abortions are so prevalent. Don't get me wrong Im pro Choice, but we are killing innocent babies and I find it hard to feel sorry for people that kill children after they have been born too.

In the US Between 1977 and 2018, there were 1,490 executions in 34 states

In 2017 an estimated 862,320 abortions in the US, so I don't want to hear about the sanctity of life and revenge killing BS.

Any prisoner on death row gets appeals and is usually on there for years and years before they are finally put down.

I think I could easily muster up the will to grab her and smash her face repeatedly into the ground until dead.

Just leave me a kfc wet nappie for my fingers.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

We put down vicious dogs, they are that way usually because of humans. There is many vile murders who are more deserving of death then a dog. Bring out the meat hooks for child killers

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

a reply to: Granitebones

Over the years we had capital punishment which was abolished when I was still not much more than a wee nipper a hell of a lot of innocent people were executed.

Most of them will never have there names cleared and even though we do NOT have a statute of limitations within the country the CPS and other body's will only look so far back which equates to "it would cost too much to look into it" + "It would not be in the public interests" (which means it would cost too much or put egg on some powerful/influential personages face or someone does not want a can of worms opening) meaning that to proceed with something further back you have to have a lot of private cash to spend.
www.murdermiletours.com...

So I am of mixed mind, certainly I believe that Ian Brady and Myra Hindley should have been sent to the gallows or preferably in there case we should have brought something more medieval including thumb screws into play to get that scum to tell were the little children's body's were (they would have talked people like that are always cowards and holding the secret gave them a sense of power which they should never have been allowed).

Fred and Rosemary west should also have been sent to there deaths in like manner (But someone perhaps the guards themselves Got him of that I am sure).


But to reintroduce capital punishment is a very slipper slope indeed.

There is to my mind no doubt whatsoever that lenient prison sentencing, the removal of the threat of the black cap and social factors such as the removal of corporal punishment in schools have led to a society that is now more anarchic and has far less respect for authority starting with children's lack of respect for adults and translating into a higher likelihood to commit crime once they reach adulthood but at which point is a more strict authority in the public interest and at what point does it become jack booted thug's in uniform.

It's a knife edge I would rather not walk.

In the case of these child killers however there lives are worthless and they stole a life full of potential and innocence from this world.

As for Brady and Hindley since I brought them up the public will never know how evil they were as most of the details were deemed too distressing but I knew a guy that worked in Ashworth teaching art, not a guard and he had been given Brady file to read since he was going to be working with the man whom he said sent cold shivers down his back, he tortured and skinned some of those children alive and she apparently laughed as he did it according to this former art teacher.

Then you have the likes of the murderer of Jamie Bulger, those boy's were minors at the time but they should never have been released, the first policeman to see what they had done to the toddler feinted that is how bad it was, I won't talk too much about that but let's say they are monsters and in adulthood at least one has been caught with child porn after being released and given a new identity so in there case the key should have been thrown away and it was never in the public interest to release them, I shall not say we should have executed them though as that is an even more slippery slope, at one time a boy of four was hung for stealing an apple in this country, a man for knocking a farmers hat off so were do we draw the line.

I say pay Russia and send the worst to a Russian Gulag they can build north of the arctic circle, something happens to them it was an accident right.

But don't give our government too much power they are already corrupt (And given what came to light half of them are pedo's and drug addicts such as Mandelson (Still very powerful in the Tory Party and therefore able to pull strings in the government) and his link's to Epstein.

I also believe that even the worst can change but so can the best.

Henry the eighth by all accounts was a fair youth and a kindly boy until he fell from his horse and was knocked out, when he came too his personality was different, he was irritable, rash and angry and ended up becoming somewhat of a serial killer as well as losing the kingdom it's French territories.

originally posted by: Granitebones

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Granitebones
If that's because you're a lawyer I find it hard to believe that you are unaware of the disdain and general low regard .
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yeah. I'm aware of it, thanks for pointing that out.

Dont worry the atheists are probably right and you wont burn for all eternity

And this is what we atheists love about you lot. Soon as someone disagrees or isn't in line with your thought process, you cannot wait to fantasize about them being tortured for eternity.

a reply to: Iconic

Hey don't mock divine justice, even if you don't believe in God (I do) you don't know?.

That version of Atheists (not all are like that by the way) makes them all sound like proverbial ostrich hiding there proverbial heads in the sand.

Think about it this way, some of these murderers are as close to being devils as you may be lucky enough to ever meet, I say lucky because you would not want to meet the real one and if evil exists so must it's opposite, if it's opposite exists and death is seen as a loss and an evil then would not some divine (super advanced) being decide to save that information and even the essence of beings if it could allowing them to live in a good version of reality and perhaps also create places to reform and punish evil beings but only if it was so good it did not want to destroy them utterly and perhaps remembered when they were innocent seeing the factors that may have led them down that road into becoming anti life.
(just to clarify I do not believe this, for me the Spiritual realm existed BEFORE the physical realm)

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: EvilAxis

There are few things more humorous to me than the folks in parliament investigating themselves and declaring that they are 100% on the up and up.

Absolutely.

originally posted by: Iconic

originally posted by: Granitebones

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2

originally posted by: Granitebones
If that's because you're a lawyer I find it hard to believe that you are unaware of the disdain and general low regard .
a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Yeah. I'm aware of it, thanks for pointing that out.

Dont worry the atheists are probably right and you wont burn for all eternity

And this is what we atheists love about you lot. Soon as someone disagrees or isn't in line with your thought process, you cannot wait to fantasize about them being tortured for eternity.

What a weird leap of assumption.

Dp

A rather brutal topic. Too much room for error, methinks, if one has to judge. I don’t support life imprisonment, either, however - an abundance of wealth incentives for the institutions, and we get to pay for it. What percentage of the life imprisoned are innocent? Seems it would be easier to convict for that, instead of the DP. Also tired of being punished, in any way, for what others do (monetarily, or otherwise).

Maybe throw them on an island, and have them fight it out on pay per view to win their freedom? At least then the taxpayers might get a kickback, and everyone would know their story (and face). We would probably even get volunteers, for such things. When in Rome, and all that.

-ROYGBIV

a reply to: Irishhaf
This is an excellent video.

What punishment do you propose for the social workers?

Disciplinary action against the social workers who repeatedly failed to listen to family members must be the bare minimum of any recommendations made.

www.thesun.co.uk...

If the social workers had not failed Arthur then this thread and all this hatred would not have occurred.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: TzarChasm
The problem with re-implementing the death penalty is deciding who deserves to die. Eventually every first degree murder, every sex offender and every human trafficking conviction will result in execution because that's what the public demands. This exemption may well become a standard for every inmate who is sentenced to lifetime incarceration, and many will argue that's how true justice should have operated for decades past.

Not to be that guy but it's hard to talk about the sanctity of life when abortions are so prevalent. Don't get me wrong Im pro Choice, but we are killing innocent babies and I find it hard to feel sorry for people that kill children after they have been born too.

I read that Emma Tustin was pregnant.....but was 'obliged' to abort her baby.

Does that mean that she was forced to have her baby aborted?

Her solicitor, Mary Prior QC, described her as a “high suicide risk” and added that she had been “obliged to terminate a pregnancy.”

Tustin was pregnant with Hughes' baby when she violently attacked Arthur, undergoing an abortion in custody at 21 weeks.

Where's the evidence for this call for the death penalty.

The death penalty does not prevent these crimes and others from taking place.

Stopping these deaths is what matters, the punishment is irrelevant after the fact.

a reply to: Granitebones
Show me a link that says that people in the UK want the death penalty brought back.

a reply to: Granitebones

Capital punishment or murder as its otherwise known is a cop out, we are all going to die regardless. Let the punishment fit the crime I’d say if I didn’t know better. Administer a high dose of psychedelics to really get in the perps heads and have them punish themselves. A taster for what’s to come at least.

As I pointed out on the first page and once to you specifically the clamour is not on the MSM but social media is rife with it. Please read this as many times as it takes to comprehend this as your repeating a question that has already been answered is making you appear somewhat asinine.
a reply to: Itisnowagain

That's a creative approach.
a reply to: surfer_soul

a reply to: Granitebones

Creative approach’s are usually the best. I speak from experience and the power of these substances is phenomenal, mostly for healing in the long run but also insights you just weren’t aware of. Now people might say healing these monsters is the last thing we want to do, but actually it is, It’s not the same as forgiving. And psychedelics will kick their arse way more effectively than anything any little monsters on here or elsewhere could dream up.

a reply to: Granitebones

You really are quite the one aren't you.

More or less implying that professional people you know nothing whatsoever about are liars.
Spouting absolute #e about how nonces are treat in jail.
And implying there is some sort of national upsurge in support for the return of capital punishment.

Yes, emotions are high.
But most of the anger is directed at the #ing evil scumbags who committed this murder and the serial failings of the system that could have prevented it.

Instances like this always make me think about capital punishment, but I have my reasons why I don't support it.
And yes, if it was a member of my family I would do everything in my power to kill the person(s) responsible.

Personally I support true life term sentences, no perks or technology etc, subsistence level existence, old fashioned work gangs, more or less solitary confinement etc.

Sorry to shatter any illusions you may have but Social Media is not always representative of overall general public opinion.

Nonces are still in constant fear of reprisals in prison.
Child killers especially so.
And its even worse for women child killers.

This couple will be targeted relentlessly throughout their sentence.

Compensation?
It means # all in the big house.
You can only spend so much per week etc.
Why do you think millionaires who get locked up don't get it easy, their money means relatively little?
Power and position come from other things....if you need me to explain this it just goes to show how little you know about these things.

As for the legal profession; sure there's some bad un's and corruption exists, pretty much the same as every walk of life....even Devon cowherds.
One or two lawyers have done me over in the past, far more have been good to me and gone above and beyond.

It seems to me you've been watching far too much American TV.