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I think we got it all wrong with Epstein, Ghislaine is the real monster

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posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 10:34 AM
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www.bbc.com...


British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell tightly oversaw every detail in Jeffrey Epstein's Florida mansion, a former employee has alleged.

Earlier this week, "Jane" told jurors that she was subjected to years of sexual abuse by Epstein, from the age of 14. She alleged that Ms Maxwell was often present during the abuse and sometimes participated in the sex acts.



I don't think Epstein was a good person, but I'm seriously wondering if we've been demonizing and had the spotlight on the wrong person this whole time.
What if he IS really dead. What if Ghislaine is really a diabolical evil mastermind controlling everything. What if SHE had him knocked off?!!
We all know this lady is not dumb. In fact she might be brilliant, we also know she is very very sick. There are reports that he changed his will right before his death to take her off of it... (cue eerie music, dumm dumm dummm)

The more I read, the more I am convinced she was was the ringleader to this sick show.
When you think about some of the blackmail tactics used against the rich and powerful, the first thing I thought of... Only a woman could come
up with some of those things. (sorry fellow ladies).
I look up some more articles that I've read, even though they all want to focus on Epstein, the more you read between the lines, the more I am convinced!!



www.thedailybeast.com...


Alessi said that when Maxwell entered Epstein’s life, he interacted with him “less and less” and took orders from the socialite instead.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 10:47 AM
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No.

I believe like attracts like.
He had the money, and the desire, and she was willing to do whatever to make him happy. I believe he was in control, and she was almost his equal.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

It's certainly possible and some parallels can be drawn to the Paul Bernardo case where Karla Homolka may very well have been the prime mover in all of the deaths. She even gave up her sister Tammy Homolka for drugging, rape and murder. So I suppose anything is possible.

Women however don't normally behave this way, just like they don't normally hang themselves or throw themselves from rooftops, in those cases it's a vanity thing. However, when women go full on psychopathic, best to steer clear, they can be just as evil as anyone else. Just look at Clinton, Pelosi, Merckle, Waters, Freeland, etc., all psychopaths, IMHO.

Cheers - Dave



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

Also makes sense as to why she was hiding in plain sight. She thought she was connected / untouchable.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: KKLOCO
It aint over yet, not till the fat lady sings. Or should I say the thin lady sings. In some circles they are calling it a show trial, ie. they are going through the motions, call a mistrial with prejudice and she's away scott free and never have to face a trial again.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 11:23 AM
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a reply to: chiefsmom
It likely goes way beyond that. G.Maxwells father was a spy. They busily "honey-potted" not just higher politicians, but near any and everyone within every venue of power and control. Their sickness surely became deeply ingrained and their sociopathy perhaps evolved to full-blown psychopathy.

They worked in conjunction with something much, much larger towards multiple shorter goals...but its obvious (to me) the over-arching goal was being fed as well, and that was/is what we are watching now as a global coup, through the auspices of the pandemic.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 11:39 AM
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Her life reads like something from a John le Carré novel. Her father was a spook, and was killed on the job. She was, without a doubt, brought up in the profession, learned much. I suspect she was farmed out as a sex toy by her old man.

I don't think that ol' Jeff is any less guilty than her, but she sure as hell wasn't some innocent bystander. She may have been his handler, but he was not an unwilling participant.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv
Her life reads like something from a John le Carré novel. Her father was a spook, and was killed on the job. She was, without a doubt, brought up in the profession, learned much. I suspect she was farmed out as a sex toy by her old man.

I don't think that ol' Jeff is any less guilty than her, but she sure as hell wasn't some innocent bystander. She may have been his handler, but he was not an unwilling participant.


YES! The more I read, the more I'm like... should I be reading this, or will I be on a "list"?...



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 01:43 PM
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twitter.com...


twitter.com...


"Watch this space" - Ghislaine Maxwell
Source: The Sinking of Captain Bob [PDF] (March 1992)

We're watching...


twitter.com...




Refresher from Dec 2020 by Mouthy Buddha:
Elite Human Trafficking [Vol. 1] - Ghislaine Maxwell's TERRAMAR PROJECT



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: crayzeed

She's going to prison, Id put money on it.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: crayzeed

She's going to prison, Id put money on it.


I'll take that bet.

I don't think that was Jeffery that was in the prison cell.

Mosssad agents don't go to prison, I doubt if Maxwell will either.


edit on 3-12-2021 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Okay, winner gets to punch DB in the esophagus.




edit on 3-12-2021 by AugustusMasonicus because: dey terk er election



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: olaru12

Okay, winner gets to punch DB in the esophagus.




Pics or it didn’t happen



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 04:28 PM
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It's an intriguing idea, and I think you're on to something. She was unquestionably the "brains" behind the operation, and had all sorts of trade craft and connections (through her pop). Not sure she whacked Epstein, but I could see a scenario where she engineered the relationship so he would take most of the blame. Seems she got sloppy and couldn't control her sexual urges.



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 06:29 PM
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Absolutely her father was Robert Maxwell the UK media mogul and Israeli money launderer. He was meeting with the kgb and Mossad and was eventually pushed off his own boat.

She is far smarter, finically endowed, and entrenched in power then one would ever consider at first.

a reply to: JAGStorm



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: SleeperHasAwakened
It's an intriguing idea, and I think you're on to something. She was unquestionably the "brains" behind the operation, and had all sorts of trade craft and connections (through her pop). Not sure she whacked Epstein, but I could see a scenario where she engineered the relationship so he would take most of the blame. Seems she got sloppy and couldn't control her sexual urges.


Yes the more I read about it the more I see she was the boss. They don’t want to portray her like that in the media.
Many stories seem to almost take pity on her like she was just another victim. No I don’t think so.
There is a part of me that even wonders if anything about her or Epstein is true at all. Maybe we’ll never know.

What can we believe these days?



posted on Dec, 3 2021 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

Whatever the true hierarchy of their criminal enterprise, there's a few things I am assuming here.

Number one, being the daughter of a spy, I'm guessing she has taken measures to prevent an unfortunate accident where she hangs herself, with no guards in the vicinity, and the cameras turned off (i.e. a dead woman switch).

Number two, given that they just can't eliminate her based on point one above, I expect very delicate legal proceedings to avoid names of people involved leaking out that are not intended to leak out.



posted on Dec, 4 2021 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: BlueJacket

Is any of that coming out in her trail though?

Are any names being named yet?



posted on Dec, 4 2021 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: JAGStorm

It's certainly possible and some parallels can be drawn to the Paul Bernardo case where Karla Homolka may very well have been the prime mover in all of the deaths. She even gave up her sister Tammy Homolka for drugging, rape and murder. So I suppose anything is possible.

Women however don't normally behave this way, just like they don't normally hang themselves or throw themselves from rooftops, in those cases it's a vanity thing. However, when women go full on psychopathic, best to steer clear, they can be just as evil as anyone else. Just look at Clinton, Pelosi, Merckle, Waters, Freeland, etc., all psychopaths, IMHO.

Cheers - Dave





Women however don't normally behave this way




Eeeeh... Where in the world are you getting that from?



posted on Dec, 7 2021 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: everyone

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: JAGStorm

It's certainly possible and some parallels can be drawn to the Paul Bernardo case where Karla Homolka may very well have been the prime mover in all of the deaths. She even gave up her sister Tammy Homolka for drugging, rape and murder. So I suppose anything is possible.

Women however don't normally behave this way, just like they don't normally hang themselves or throw themselves from rooftops, in those cases it's a vanity thing. However, when women go full on psychopathic, best to steer clear, they can be just as evil as anyone else. Just look at Clinton, Pelosi, Merckle, Waters, Freeland, etc., all psychopaths, IMHO.

Cheers - Dave





Women however don't normally behave this way




Eeeeh... Where in the world are you getting that from?


Let's see... experience, hmmmm? I don't obviously know all women, but I've been with a lot of women that I kicked to the curb after a couple of weeks, usually less time than that. So I've been on the "wrath" side a number of times, however, I've never had one go full psychopath on me. Now merc's and spec ops in Africa, that's another story and don't even get me started on the number of psychopathic terrorists we put down.

I have encountered one woman (she won't remember me as I knew her husband and some of the family) who I would allege killed (poisoned) her husband and was paid off with a government minister position. I see her as a black widow, opportunistic for sure, psychopathic... probably. Unfortunately it seems there was no toxicology report on her husband after he died, in a very, again that word, opportunistic manner and time. He had written the EAP2013 for the Harper regime in Canada and on page 144 and 145 it explains how the banks will be allowed to "bail-themselves-in" using depositor accounts, you know your savings, chequing, investment accounts ;-) So I heard he was writing an expose on government corruption and what was coming, then he was pushed out for faux health reasons and then he suddenly died. His wife, a real estate lawyer, was made minister of health, now there's a match made in hell eh.

Btw, for reference, just go to the EAP2013, page 144/145 on the following PDF under "Establishing a Risk Management Framework for Domestic Systemically Important Banks" Link here just so you know it's real ;-)

There was a time when it seemed like everyone knew how to Connect the Dots.

Cheers - Dave
edit on 12/7.2021 by bobs_uruncle because: added a link



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